[captivator]

it is meant for all pg ites who are working in different software firms
and aiming 4 cat
this mail is not meant for those who want to do mba to grow academically in different domains of knowledge like finance,hr etc
but what is the broad based real picture of cat takers now??????
if u can really accept fact in open mind then read further

the situation is that guys are moving into engg after their plus 2 mostly with an outlook that they are going to have a cool life fr the next 4 years with all the associated social glamour as well as the security of getting a good job

after 2 and a half years they realise that they do not have sufficient knowledge to pursue higher studies in their domain . the obvious choice then becomes a job in the top indian software companies that are visiting their campus which have more or less made a global reputation of testing all possible nontechnical things ( and plz dont tell me that infosys is the only one which does that)

the guys who get the jobs start preparing for cat henceforth in a relaxed fashion( with exceptions who genuinely try for it )
some crack that year only and most cant

the guys pass out in june/july join the s/w company in sep/oct/nov do training upto jan/feb and when thwy are assigned projects they simultaneously start preparing for cat in a vigorous fashion

they remain res assured at least sp jain is waiting for them
sp jain prefers s/w workex but only when u apply for IM ( which is known as systems in other institutes)

so my question is that the guys who are entering the mba institutes after gathering a couple of years of workex in a s/w firm and specialising in systems do they have any other intention other than earning money??????

and what is the value of the workex particularly when they are giving all their time thinking about cat and preparing for it

the institutes are taking them because they are easy to place

i personally came across a guy whom i knew from a long time back he is a pg ite also
he passed mech engg from jadavpur university in 2002 appeared for cat in his final year(ie 2003) and couldnot convert

for the next 1 year he tried really hard for cat, gave exams in time,ims,prime etc
got final admissions in vgsom,xlri,fms and joined xlri

on the day of the interview he told me he has hardly gathered any knowledge during his working years ( he worked in CTS)

AND STILL HE WAS SELECTED IN ALL IN WHICH HE GAVE INTERVIEW

but my question is that

DO THE COUNTRY REALLY NEED THIS TYPE OF MBAS?

ANY ANSWERS??????/

[captivator]

sorry the guy was in final year in 2001 in which he gave cat for the first time
and finally cracked xlri this year (2003 cat & 2004 xat candidate )

[RahulSharma]

What are you doing MBA for? Not money??

Not everone in the software field does MBA for better steady income. They do it for growth in career and as an individual. Can't be writing codes on dumb machines for next 10 years.

Yes, the selection process of some B-schools is unfair. SPJIMR stands out 1st in that.

Answering your last question, if the country needs these kind of MBAs...will you stick to India if offered dollar salary after passing out from a B-school.
Nobody will. Realise this that ethics, morals are all veil in the field of management.
The top business guru does all kinds of things in the day and lectures students about the practise of higher values.
Shiv Khera who fought election from South Delhi campaigning against the political leaders for their lack of moral standards has been accused by a retired IAS officer of plagiarising large excerpts from his book and qouting as his own.

[haripi2]

Originally Posted by captivator

it is meant for all pg ites who are working in different software firms
and aiming 4 cat
this mail is not meant for those who want to do mba to grow academically in different domains of knowledge like finance,hr etc
but what is the broad based real picture of cat takers now??????
if u can really accept fact in open mind then read further

the situation is that guys are moving into engg after their plus 2 mostly with an outlook that they are going to have a cool life fr the next 4 years with all the associated social glamour as well as the security of getting a good job

after 2 and a half years they realise that they do not have sufficient knowledge to pursue higher studies in their domain . the obvious choice then becomes a job in the top indian software companies that are visiting their campus which have more or less made a global reputation of testing all possible nontechnical things ( and plz dont tell me that infosys is the only one which does that)

the guys who get the jobs start preparing for cat henceforth in a relaxed fashion( with exceptions who genuinely try for it )
some crack that year only and most cant

the guys pass out in june/july join the s/w company in sep/oct/nov do training upto jan/feb and when thwy are assigned projects they simultaneously start preparing for cat in a vigorous fashion

they remain res assured at least sp jain is waiting for them
sp jain prefers s/w workex but only when u apply for IM ( which is known as systems in other institutes)

so my question is that the guys who are entering the mba institutes after gathering a couple of years of workex in a s/w firm and specialising in systems do they have any other intention other than earning money??????

and what is the value of the workex particularly when they are giving all their time thinking about cat and preparing for it

the institutes are taking them because they are easy to place

i personally came across a guy whom i knew from a long time back he is a pg ite also
he passed mech engg from jadavpur university in 2002 appeared for cat in his final year(ie 2003) and couldnot convert

for the next 1 year he tried really hard for cat, gave exams in time,ims,prime etc
got final admissions in vgsom,xlri,fms and joined xlri

on the day of the interview he told me he has hardly gathered any knowledge during his working years ( he worked in CTS)

AND STILL HE WAS SELECTED IN ALL IN WHICH HE GAVE INTERVIEW

but my question is that

DO THE COUNTRY REALLY NEED THIS TYPE OF MBAS?

ANY ANSWERS??????/

hey dude,
u cant take exceptions as examples.i bet your friend in CTs would have learnt something related to the area in which he worked but maybe his expectations could have been diffrent.he would have expected to code a complete application and instead would have been testing a product.since testing was not to his liking whatever he learnt in that would have seemed trivial to him. but to a third person i mean the recruiter it signifies the ability to think abt all existing possible outputs.

we can never gauge what we have learnt but whatever we learn will be utilised in some form or the other.mebbe not 100 % but at least 5 % of whatever u learnt in your college days as well as working in a company will be put to use.

so rest assured dude.nothing is a waste.
Knowledge is a ocean and we cannot master it !!!


cheers,
Prashanth

[Mohan]

Hi,
I donot agree with whatever opinion captivator has posted regarding the justification given for the software guys for moving into mba.
But I do agree in many of the cases, the reasons you have quoted are perfectly valid, the genuine cases are many and belittling all of them doesnot look good.
For me, these are some of the reasons for s/w guys moving into mba:
1. In any organizations, after 5-6 years of experience ( depends on the company ) , the s/w engineer moves into either the technical line or management line. So, if you are not too very keen on pursuing the technical line, you automatically move into the management line ( most of the cases. only few move into the technical line ). This doesnot mean that the person is not interested in technical line, but after these many years of experience, one has to be something like an architect and nothing less, which needs too very deep tech fundas and mostly you can survive there and continue to grow only if you are a ph.d or atleast a mtech. Most of us are not. This leaves us only with the option of management line.
This being the logical end, we will end up as a manager who has no knowledge of the management fundas ( I am working and this is what i am seeing here ). So, instead of being an unqualified manager, who just mangles every small work, isn't it better to be qualified for the same.
2. Secondly, but not any lesser than the first one, software engineer does a monotonous job deprived of all the challenges any energetic guy would like in life ( now, don't tell me fixing bugs is a great challenging work .. i too do that and every mnc in India does only that. See any Hindi movie/serial for the typical depiction of a lavish, bookish and a dull looking s/w guy with those thick glasses ). If you want to face challenges in life, isn't it nice to think of an option and that too a better one. I would rate mba completely opposite to all these.
3. ofcourse, money is one more factor which we can consider as an added advantage.
4. Why does foreign management univs have people with workex only for their mba degrees? Having worked in the gross root level, gives you a needed extra depth to understand the needs of the people when you would be a manager. Your experience at having worked in that position, will help to cater to the problems of the worker in the gross root level proper than the person without experience.
So, when we work, we are gaining the experience needed for the future.

As a consequence, the s/w engineers are the most frustrated, and want to desperately change the field and I think whatever is written above does happen if not word to word.
I think pretty much logical in my reasoning. We can continue to discuss if we donot agree on something.

regards,
Mohan

[PRGKT]

Originally Posted by captivator

it is meant for all pg ites who are working in different software firms
and aiming 4 cat
this mail is not meant for those who want to do mba to grow academically in different domains of knowledge like finance,hr etc
but what is the broad based real picture of cat takers now??????
if u can really accept fact in open mind then read further

the situation is that guys are moving into engg after their plus 2 mostly with an outlook that they are going to have a cool life fr the next 4 years with all the associated social glamour as well as the security of getting a good job

after 2 and a half years they realise that they do not have sufficient knowledge to pursue higher studies in their domain . the obvious choice then becomes a job in the top indian software companies that are visiting their campus which have more or less made a global reputation of testing all possible nontechnical things ( and plz dont tell me that infosys is the only one which does that)

the guys who get the jobs start preparing for cat henceforth in a relaxed fashion( with exceptions who genuinely try for it )
some crack that year only and most cant

the guys pass out in june/july join the s/w company in sep/oct/nov do training upto jan/feb and when thwy are assigned projects they simultaneously start preparing for cat in a vigorous fashion

they remain res assured at least sp jain is waiting for them
sp jain prefers s/w workex but only when u apply for IM ( which is known as systems in other institutes)

so my question is that the guys who are entering the mba institutes after gathering a couple of years of workex in a s/w firm and specialising in systems do they have any other intention other than earning money??????

and what is the value of the workex particularly when they are giving all their time thinking about cat and preparing for it

the institutes are taking them because they are easy to place

i personally came across a guy whom i knew from a long time back he is a pg ite also
he passed mech engg from jadavpur university in 2002 appeared for cat in his final year(ie 2003) and couldnot convert

for the next 1 year he tried really hard for cat, gave exams in time,ims,prime etc
got final admissions in vgsom,xlri,fms and joined xlri

on the day of the interview he told me he has hardly gathered any knowledge during his working years ( he worked in CTS)

AND STILL HE WAS SELECTED IN ALL IN WHICH HE GAVE INTERVIEW

but my question is that

DO THE COUNTRY REALLY NEED THIS TYPE OF MBAS?

ANY ANSWERS??????/

What point r u trying to prove? Not every MBA student's ambition is money, and even if it is so, it is not wrong. Why do u behave as if earning money is a crime?

[RahulSharma]

Ghilli, it's not crime to earn money. But guess what, you can not tell this simple truth to the interview panel of a B-school.
They want people who have passion for management, and end up selecting people who can feign that kind of passion at that particular time.

[sreejithcs]

I think u r trying to conclude that software guys are moving into mba because of the fact that they are desperately looking for money...............it's a bit twisted vision of the whole thing i guess.................it's quite true that these days a lot of guys get into MBA instis bcoz of the software back ground they have................at the same time it's wrong to genearlise...............It's a natural career progression as well ...............a lot of people come into software domain to get a feel of the action happening in the corporate sector..............and what better place thatn software with the global ambience and culture that's prevalent in top most companies.............It gives u chance to have feel of the global work culture..............Then the other point is that currently 2.5 lakh people are employed in IT sector alone...............Not all of them choose to go for a full time MBA................Even if u have got some work experience in IT firms you have to prove your mettle during the GD/PI sessions.................It's just a spring board.................There are a lot of people who come to software knowing that it's not what they wanted in their life,but it's a fantastic opporunity to get a head start..............
And your friend not learning anything:I think the blame should be put squarely on him only....................And i am quite sure that after 2 yrs at XLRI he will say the same thing unless he changes his attitude drastically.............

[Jugnoo]

hmm just digressing a bit..
is this the same guy who had reported to another guy from Jadavpur Uni , the othr guy in IIMK , and the info passed was the XLRI raging case... ghee this guy is becoming a sure contreversy!! hehehe

anyay see. me in software and my brain has enough space to remeber all these things. So yu can imagine what i do the rest of the day. CUT COPY PASTE, fixing some silly bugs (as someone said b4). and runing tools like xpediter .

As Ghulam rightly said, earning money is not a crime.

WHo does not want money! but along with money we also want some more challenges, more power more authority. If you are normal you will desire all these.
Earning money thru wrong means is bad

Take care
xpediter

[Anup4Cat]

Hello all...

I really dont agreee with captivators pessimitic view on software engineers opting to do an mba ....Ur views dont seem to be really hitting the right track......

now this what i feel abt this..

There r 3 kinds of techies opting for MBA...

1) Software Techies opting to do an MBA in systems or dual specialisation and wishing to hold on to IT

2) Software Techies opting for marketing, finance and wishing to change track

3)Software Techies who are frustrated with coding ,bug fixing and wish to do anything other ,but yet wish for high compensation. :

I know some people who are of the third category..theres no denyting about that.. but i believe the IIM/SPJIMR/XLRI.. interview panel are smart enuf to catch you on your real motive (lots of us do have stories to write in SOP..but somewhere down the line in the whole selection process... u r caught.. .but.. if u r smart enuf to sneek thru..i would rate you as a successful manager in the making.(after all u do have all the skills a manager shoudl have :wink: )

Its very difficult to deny that you have not learnt anything by working.

I have been working for the past 3 years in the IT industry and i see definte gains .... I have learnt - to handle pressure,conflicts,cross cultural interaction ..A successful manager needs to understand his team and he needs to keep tab of of different priorities and be accountable. Working in a Technical team does expose you to the challenges and risks.You get to know what it means to lose projects ,to have people quiting the company because of bad management.All this learning is real time and thats the reason why work experience is valued.Some may not realise it now...but sooner they will

An MBA degree is not like u r engineering degree.It requires real efforts to get thru the 2 years... its a lot more dynamic and theres no place for complaceny... so is the sofware job..there no place for complacency...no comany is going to keep you for a long if you underperform... and preparing for worlds most comeptitive exam and working in the IT industry seems to be the biggest challenge... and those who comeout sucessfully are indeed true managers in the making........ so my best wishes to all those who are the same boat... row row until u succeed...

see ya u later guys/gals........ catching up with work..