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Re: Prepare for Online CAT 2009 with Tanveer - 05-07-2009, 08:56 PM

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Pls ..

as part of that, appeared for aimcat 0919. the scores are pathetic..

No. ________%ile_________ AIR __________Cutoffs not cleared
1019________52.31__________16255___________QA, VA, DI.

i believe i did lot better than these marks show. had not marked the answers on the question paper planning to take the test again on reaching home. i've history of darkening incorrect ovals on the OMR sheet a number of times during campus placement tests. so bit worried if thats the reason..

could u account for this lack of consistency?

It is indeed heartbreaking to crack the exam and then falter at the last step ..shading the OMR..

The only advice I can think of is that - please transfer your answers immediately after a set of questions are solved ..for example after an RC or a DI set.. and not wait for the end of the test..

Of Course ..in the online format ..this headache may get automatically solved for you..

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How to prepare for data interpretation and logical reasoning - 05-07-2009, 09:19 PM

The Data Interpretation and Logical Reasoning section of the CAT is probably closest in resemblance to the kind of problems you will be dealing with as a manager. It tests your decision-making ability and speed using limited input. As with all other CAT sections, the most important part of preparation is practice. Needless to say, you should give every practice test as seriously as the real CAT. There is absolutely no sense in giving untimed tests. In fact, giving tests without looking at the watch will only hamper your preparation.

Start off with topical tests in the initial stage of preparation. When you gain confidence in all areas of DI/LR, it is time to start giving a couple of full-length DI/LR tests. After this, merge individual sectional tests and start giving CAT-type full length test papers containing all three sections. Always analyse your performance after every test you give and use tests as a valuable feedback mechanism. If you feel the need, keep going back to topics which you feel require more work and take 1-2 more area-specific tests in that topic. An important thing you need to work on is the judicious selection of questions. Utilize practice tests for this purpose.

The Data Interpretation/Logical Reasoning section can be divided into three key areas:

1. Data Interpretation: This is the calculation intensive portion of the section. It consists of a myriad of graphs, charts and tables from which you will have to glean and analyse data. The key to cracking this area is to quickly identify the key pieces of data that you will require to work on the questions asked. It is not unknown for question-setters of the CAT to try and bewilder students with a large amount of data, most of it unnecessary. As a rule, the more the data presented, the easier the questions that follow, so don’t lose heart if you see a table with 10 columns occupying one whole page. On the other hand, several seemingly innocuous questions may trip you up. Therefore, I would advise you to look at the questions first to get an idea of what data you need to be searching for in the graphs/charts/tables in the main question asked.
Another interesting feature of DI that you as a student can use to your advantage is that, usually, not all questions in a set are of equal difficulty. Specifically, most sets have a ‘counting’ type of question (How many companies have profits more than x%, how many people have incomes less than Rs. Y etc.). Most of these questions can be solved without calculation but by close inspection of the data presented. These I would categorize as ‘gift’ questions designed to test a student’s presence of mind, and should never be missed out on. There are other similarly easy questions in most sets, and you should practice identifying the level of difficulty of questions so you know immediately which ones to attempt and which to avoid. There is no rule that states that you need to attempt all questions in a set, so it is a perfectly valid strategy to attempt selected questions across your DI section, without perhaps completely attempting even a single set.
An unusual source of practice questions that I would recommend for DI is a GRE preparation textbook or software. These contain several graph and chart type questions, most of which are near CAT level. You can utilize these questions in the initial source of preparation to practice reading data off charts and tables, and then gradually move on to tougher questions from CAT preparation material. GRE software comes with the added advantage of an inbuilt timer that keeps you on your toes.

2. Logical Reasoning: This is the tougher (as perceived by most students) portion of the section. It consists of logical puzzles with several questions that follow. The most important and first step to solving an LR problem is to write down all of the information given in a box, table or diagram e.g. if the problem involves seating arrangements at a round table, always draw the table first and then try various permutations and combinations of people seated around it. Once you have drawn the figure for the problem, you are free to think with an uncluttered mind. LR problems usually contain several statements which serve as clues to solving the problem. Thus, the problem should always be attempted in a methodical fashion, and solved step-by-step, because trying to look at all the information at once will confuse even the best of us.
LR problems are usually ‘all-or-nothing’ type, in the sense that if you crack the problem you will have answers to all the questions that follow, and if you don’t you will not be able to answer even a single question. This is because if the logic to the problem is apparent to you, the questions that follow are trivial. Hence, proper selection of problems to tackle is even more crucial here than in DI. Often, students fail to solve a problem after investing 10-15 minutes on it. Since the information they have at the end of that time is not much more than that at the beginning, they cannot answer even a single question in the set and have nothing to show for their effort. Problem-selection is tricky, so if you find that you are unable to make headway after the first 5 minutes, do the smart thing and switch to another set or section. You can always come back later if you have the time.
LR requires the maximum amount of practice among all areas in the DI/LR section. Apart from picking apart problems in your CAT preparation material, try looking for puzzle books or newspaper leisure sections that contain logic puzzles. Puzzle-solving is a knack, and the more you start enjoying logic puzzles, the better you will get at them.

3. Data Sufficiency: This is the third portion of the section, and quite a few DS questions were asked in the last CAT paper. Data Sufficiency problems usually take the form of a logical puzzle, and are in the form of a question followed by two statements. You need to answer whether you can solve the problem using the statements individually, or using both, or whether you cannot solve the problem using the information provided. The key to answering such problems is to pretend like one statement does not exist, try solving the problem, and then pretend like the other statement does not exist and try solving the problem again. These problems are generally tricky, and I would recommend lots of practice and perhaps solving them near the end of your section, after you have solved the other problems.
The DI/LR section is one of the higher scoring sections on the CAT, so you can look to it for help in improving your overall score as well, as long as you devote a good proportion of your time to it. Although recent CATs have had 4-5 question sets, be prepared for 1-2 question sets as well. DS questions have never appeared in sets. Important things to remember while attempting this section are that you need be quick in switching sets if you find a particular set tough, and you need to have presence of mind while solving DI/LR questions. Both of these things can be achieved with the help of practice.

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Re: How to prepare for data interpretation and logical reasoning - 05-07-2009, 09:57 PM

Strategy Tips for CAT DI by Twice Hundred Percentiler
1. Scan the paper for 5 minutes across sections if you want and then start with permutations of Strongest, Stronger, and Strong (depending on which section is your best). Most people either like to start with a flourish or end with one,
For Example: if QA is your strength then start with QA or end with it.
2. Spend equal time across sections and have some time at the end to come back to a particular section.
For Example: in 2 and 1/2 hours spend 40 min per section and have half hour left to come back to the any section first to clear cut-offs then to maximise scores.
3. Make it a point to at least to have read all the questions in the paper at the end of it; you never know when you might get a sitter.
4. Remember the marking is relative hence it important to clear cut-offs in every section if you’re scoring really well in a section and consistently falling short of cut-offs in an another then you might consider sacrificing some time in the stronger section and making it up for the weaker one and in doing so in losing a percentile or two in your stronger section you can clear the cut-off’s in the weaker one
5. Also rather than having fixed-no-of-questions strategy, have a time-based-strategy for all situations, so rather than thinking of cut-offs during the exam think of the time spent on every section.
6. Within a section, while solving ensures that you dynamically allocate time (e.g. 5 min for every 5 questions in quant) might help you maintain a good tempo throughout the exam. However this strategy needs to be practised in advance. This is a specialized strategy and cannot be used in all situations (if the section is easy).
7. If a section turns out to be difficult then it will be the same for everyone, so don’t get flustered. If stuck, sometimes switching to another section might help.
8. Doing Quant and DI together sometimes can be exhausting for people so doing Verbal in between might help relax your grey cells a bit.
9. The cut-offs are never predictable during CAT. So, instead of making a prediction based on average of all the full tests taken, stop speculating and start solving.
10. Decide in couple of readings whether you want to attempt the question or not; anything more than that is time lost.


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Re: How to prepare for data interpretation and logical reasoning - 06-07-2009, 03:49 AM

Hey guys I've decided to give cat 2009, and im not joining any institute, infact im a newbie
The only thing i know is that pagal guy is the best place for anything related to cat and mba..

So here are my doubts
1) Is there sufficient time for preparation? I'm good with multiple choice questions and i think i can ace the CAT exam..

2) Since im not joining any institute, please tell em how to go about with the studies

3) Which books to refer? Do these institutes give study material separately? If not which is the best book in the market? Is there any online resource for studying ? some open source study material or something like that..


Please do help me out..


Ps:- Im a regular at a few online indian forums too, so if you know me, and ur studying for cat too, gimme a buzz here..
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Re: How to prepare for data interpretation and logical reasoning - 06-07-2009, 04:40 AM

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Hey guys I've decided to give cat 2009, and im not joining any institute, infact im a newbie
The only thing i know is that pagal guy is the best place for anything related to cat and mba..

So here are my doubts
1) Is there sufficient time for preparation? I'm good with multiple choice questions and i think i can ace the CAT exam..

2) Since im not joining any institute, please tell em how to go about with the studies

3) Which books to refer? Do these institutes give study material separately? If not which is the best book in the market? Is there any online resource for studying ? some open source study material or something like that..


Please do help me out..


Ps:- Im a regular at a few online indian forums too, so if you know me, and ur studying for cat too, gimme a buzz here..
Hey,this is not the right place to put this query..Use search for it...Anyways,go through this link before posting your question

http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/cat-an...regarding.html (CAT Query Center- FAQs regarding CAT 2009 online and other Exams)

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Re: How to prepare for data interpretation and logical reasoning - 06-07-2009, 09:45 AM

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Hey guys I've decided to give cat 2009, and im not joining any institute, infact im a newbie
The only thing i know is that pagal guy is the best place for anything related to cat and mba..

So here are my doubts
1) Is there sufficient time for preparation? I'm good with multiple choice questions and i think i can ace the CAT exam..

2) Since im not joining any institute, please tell em how to go about with the studies

3) Which books to refer? Do these institutes give study material separately? If not which is the best book in the market? Is there any online resource for studying ? some open source study material or something like that..


Please do help me out..


Ps:- Im a regular at a few online indian forums too, so if you know me, and ur studying for cat too, gimme a buzz here..

1) Is there sufficient time for preparation? I'm good with multiple choice questions and i think i can ace the CAT exam..

CAT is in the mind .. If you think you can ..you will crack it.. As for time just divide it judiciously across different subjects and topics..

2) Since im not joining any institute, please tell em how to go about with the studies

Break down your studies into units : RC/VA/DI/DS/LR/QA.. Break down each of these into sub topics - for example VA - would expand into Para Jumbles; Sentence Correction; Para Completion, Easily Confused Words, Fill in the Blanks, Critical reasoning; Multiple Usage of the same word, IFJ, UDLI etc. etc.. Do the same for other topics.. allot days for each topics.. search for material for each of these topics offline or online..and get going..

3) Which books to refer? Do these institutes give study material separately?

Instis do give study material separately..Visit different threads on Pg to get to know the most popular books..

some that I recommend to start off VA - Arun Sahrma DI - Nishit Sinha and Old Mocks ; Quant - Sarvesh Kumar Verma ...


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For Delhi Puys - 06-07-2009, 09:59 AM

For Delhi Puys....

BYJU's Classes is conducting a FREE 3 Day Work shop on the CAT at IMA House , IndraPrasth Marg, near ITO Delhi starting 12th July , Sunday - 4 P.M.

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Re: How to prepare for data interpretation and logical reasoning - 06-07-2009, 01:01 PM

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Re: For Delhi Puys - 06-07-2009, 01:20 PM

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BYJU's Classes is conducting a FREE 3 Day Work shop on the CAT at IMA House , IndraPrasth Marg, near ITO Delhi starting 12th July , Sunday - 4 P.M.

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Re: Prepare for Online CAT 2009 with Tanveer - 06-07-2009, 05:53 PM

Hello,
Anyone have idea about books on speed mathematics??
I found many tutorials on net.......but i want them as pdf form......
If anyone have the link...plz post it here or send me as a private msg.

Pardon me if i am deviating from the topics being discussed in this thread...


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