[anac7ronox]

Hi puys,
Here is my score:

Overall: 137 (99.19 percentile)
Quant: 39 (98 percentile)
DI : 33 (92 percentile)
Verbal: 65 (98.6 percentile)

X: 78 , XII: 67 , B.E. 62(Distinction in final year)
Strong extra curriculars
12 months work-ex in a highly respected software company with work recognitions
**************
NO CALLS
***************

Now you might want to point fingers at my acads perhaps. But is my percentile not enough to warrant a call in principle-> not considering the 'formulas' floated by the IIMs to shortlist?
And if you still feel it is not enough-> wouldn't you at least agree that it is unethical for the IIMs to change their criteria after the exam has been conducted? Considering that they have 300,000 students dancing at their beck and call ? Don't forget that many leave their jobs and stake their careers because the believe they can make it.

To be honest, it is not only this aspect of the process but even the form submission that smacked of high handedness. Just because you have a big junta wanting admission to your college does not grant you the rights to take advantage of their desperation. You might have heard of the high number of forms that were rejected- during a time when a student has already completed most of his preparation. I personally know someone in my class who had a problem with the form. He went to IIMB himself to get it rectified but was shown the door.
Management lessons anyone?

Is a manager supposed to be a bookworm or a person with a balance between studies and a grasp on what real life situations are like? I was frustrated (to put it mildly) when I saw no calls. But honestly analyzing, I would not have been the person I am had it not been for my 'falls' in life.

To keep the post short, I am not asking for the IIMs to give me admission, all I am asking it that is it not unfair to not even give a chance for me to present my case in a GD/PI call ? Have they really done justice to all ?

[ankit9doshi]

Originally Posted by anac7ronox

Hi puys,
Here is my score:

Overall: 137 (99.19 percentile)
Quant: 39 (98 percentile)
DI : 33 (92 percentile)
Verbal: 65 (98.6 percentile)

X: 78 , XII: 67 , B.E. 62(Distinction in final year)
Strong extra curriculars
12 months work-ex in a highly respected software company with work recognitions
**************
NO CALLS
***************

Now you might want to point fingers at my acads perhaps. But is my percentile not enough to warrant a call in principle-> not considering the 'formulas' floated by the IIMs to shortlist?
And if you still feel it is not enough-> wouldn't you at least agree that it is unethical for the IIMs to change their criteria after the exam has been conducted? Considering that they have 300,000 students dancing at their beck and call ? Don't forget that many leave their jobs and stake their careers because the believe they can make it.

To be honest, it is not only this aspect of the process but even the form submission that smacked of high handedness. Just because you have a big junta wanting admission to your college does not grant you the rights to take advantage of their desperation. You might have heard of the high number of forms that were rejected- during a time when a student has already completed most of his preparation. I personally know someone in my class who had a problem with the form. He went to IIMB himself to get it rectified but was shown the door.
Management lessons anyone?

Is a manager supposed to be a bookworm or a person with a balance between studies and a grasp on what real life situations are like? I was frustrated (to put it mildly) when I saw no calls. But honestly analyzing, I would not have been the person I am had it not been for my 'falls' in life.

To keep the post short, I am not asking for the IIMs to give me admission, all I am asking it that is it not unfair to not even give a chance for me to present my case in a GD/PI call ? Have they really done justice to all ?

I empathise with you. I have a 99.7 percentile with 95+ in all sections. And have missed IIM A,B,C

I missed IIM C by by 1 mark in quant.

In your case, you would have clearly missed A,C,K by virtue of cutoffs but i agree with you on your viewpoint. You could still be good to put your case across at least for B,I,L and S GD/PIs There are hundreds with much lesser percentile who have these calls.

WHY DO THEY CHANGE/ANNOUNCE THE CRITERIA AFTER THE EXAMS ARE OVER? SO MANY WOULD NEVER APPLY GETTING TO KNOW THESE COMPLEX CRITERIA.

[anac7ronox]

Thanks,
I think you meant I would have missed A,C,L ..

For IIML >> I know that I did not miss the cutoffs: I know of a person again with exactly the same marks as me in DI (my lowest cutoff) , good acads but no work-ex getting an IIM-L call.

Also, Shillong wants an aggregate of 80% across all semesters in B.E. is what people have been saying.
I would just like someone from mumbai university engineering to post their IIM Shillong calls. 80% across all semesters in Mumbai univ engg is improbable!

If they are considering normalized percentages by calculating standard deviations, even then, with distinction on my graduation certificate- I should make the bar.

[anac7ronox]

Originally Posted by ankit9doshi

I empathise with you. I have a 99.7 percentile with 95+ in all sections. And have missed IIM A,B,C

I missed IIM C by by 1 mark in quant.

In your case, you would have clearly missed A,C,K by virtue of cutoffs but i agree with you on your viewpoint. You could still be good to put your case across at least for B,I,K and S GD/PIs There are hundreds with much lesser percentile who have these calls.

WHY DO THEY CHANGE/ANNOUNCE THE CRITERIA AFTER THE EXAMS ARE OVER? SO MANY WOULD NEVER APPLY GETTING TO KNOW THESE COMPLEX CRITERIA.

Thanks...
I guess you meant I would have missed A,C,L ..

For IIML >> I know that I did not miss the cutoffs: I know of a person again with exactly the same marks as me in DI (my lowest cutoff) , good acads but no work-ex getting an IIM-L call.

Also, Shillong wants an aggregate of 80% across all semesters in B.E. is what people have been saying.
I would just like someone from mumbai university engineering to post their IIM Shillong calls. 80% across all semesters in Mumbai univ engg is improbable!

If they are considering normalized percentages by calculating standard deviations, even then, with distinction on my graduation certificate- I should make the bar.

[murty001]

Well, I have been going through all the threads very diligently for the past few days, and I was surprised to see the way IIMs have issued calls this time. There has been an absolute change in criteria this year and it was greatly disheartening to see very good percentiles missing on important calls.

Now this thing really raises a question mark on the way these "prestigious" management institutions are managed. I would like the Indian Institutes of (Mis)Management to answer a few questions

- If each IIM is going to have a different criteria why do they expect a student to fork out 1100 for a form and force him to apply to all IIMs? Why not charge only 500 and then ask the student to choose the IIM he wishes to apply according to the profile he has?

- Why the hell isn't the criteria revealed before the exams itself? What is the fun and secret behind revealing the criteria after the results have been declared. What is the sadistic pleasure in seeing the suffering of so many aspirants?

- What are the parameters they consider when they look at the academic performance of a candidate? Is it just the plain numbers or do they take the state, board, university also into account? IMO.. IIMS criteria of asking 80% in graduation is plain BS. I doubt if some of the professors touched 80% in their grads! I am a BE grad from a Univ in Orissa and I hell know how difficult it is to hit 80% in those parts.

- I would also like to know why the hell are they considering marks of an exam I would have written some 'n' number of years ago (like 10th and 12th)? Now suppose if I take my next CAT in 2011, what can they possibly determine by looking at my 10th marks which I received in 1998? So are they now implying that a student should decide in the 9th standard itself that he will be taking CAT in the future and then start studying hard for his 10th boards? What bullshit?

If this the way these people are going to conduct their examinations and stuff, then god bless! I had plans of having another shot this year, but after looking at the plain stupidity of the process which is managed by supposed GOD level profs, I think I will be better off looking at opportunities elsewhere. Hoping that sanity prevails and the criteria is revised to make some sense.

Cheers..

[kamalaandi]

Originally Posted by murty001

Well, I have been going through all the threads very diligently for the past few days, and I was surprised to see the way IIMs have issued calls this time. There has been an absolute change in criteria this year and it was greatly disheartening to see very good percentiles missing on important calls.

Now this thing really raises a question mark on the way these "prestigious" management institutions are managed. I would like the Indian Institutes of (Mis)Management to answer a few questions

- If each IIM is going to have a different criteria why do they expect a student to fork out 1100 for a form and force him to apply to all IIMs? Why not charge only 500 and then ask the student to choose the IIM he wishes to apply according to the profile he has?

- Why the hell isn't the criteria revealed before the exams itself? What is the fun and secret behind revealing the criteria after the results have been declared. What is the sadistic pleasure in seeing the suffering of so many aspirants?

- What are the parameters they consider when they look at the academic performance of a candidate? Is it just the plain numbers or do they take the state, board, university also into account? IMO.. IIMS criteria of asking 80% in graduation is plain BS. I doubt if some of the professors touched 80% in their grads! I am a BE grad from a Univ in Orissa and I hell know how difficult it is to hit 80% in those parts.

- I would also like to know why the hell are they considering marks of an exam I would have written some 'n' number of years ago (like 10th and 12th)? Now suppose if I take my next CAT in 2011, what can they possibly determine by looking at my 10th marks which I received in 1998? So are they now implying that a student should decide in the 9th standard itself that he will be taking CAT in the future and then start studying hard for his 10th boards? What bullshit?

If this the way these people are going to conduct their examinations and stuff, then god bless! I had plans of having another shot this year, but after looking at the plain stupidity of the process which is managed by supposed GOD level profs, I think I will be better off looking at opportunities elsewhere. Hoping that sanity prevails and the criteria is revised to make some sense.

Cheers..

very very valid points IMHO.. even though i got a BLACKI, i feel cheated when i see that someone who scored more than me dint get an A or B call..

considering the results and calls, only IIM C can be trusted for their transparency and principles..

[Obsessed_bout_mba]

Is this the case only with the IIMs....
How about some of the profile based schools in mumbai and Pune..? Take a look at last yr's results thread for these instis..
These instis are never going to make their process transparent..

And how about instis asking us to apply before CAT just to increase their revenue from form sales and starting June/July they start teaching ethics to their first yr students..

Here we have some 3000 odd seats from the top insti and have 3 lac ppl competing for the same...demand vs supply and the instis doesn't give a damn about our concerns..

JMET - I got a result saying "Not qualified" Cant they just mention my total marks and the cut off for each of the categories...I guess they can afford to do this with the 1000 bucks I paid to take the exam..

Originally Posted by murty001

- If each IIM is going to have a different criteria why do they expect a student to fork out 1100 for a form and force him to apply to all IIMs? Why not charge only 500 and then ask the student to choose the IIM he wishes to apply according to the profile he has?

I guess the IIMs are lot better when compared to other insti in this area...for 1100 you get to write CAT and apply for 7 instis...even if the criterions are mentioned before the test and even if you are going to skip shading a couple if IIMs, I don't think 1100 should be a concern

Originally Posted by murty001

- Why the hell isn't the criteria revealed before the exams itself? What is the fun and secret behind revealing the criteria after the results have been declared. What is the sadistic pleasure in seeing the suffering of so many aspirants?

IIMs may argue that they set the criteria after analyzing the performance of their first yr students..by the time they analyze and come our with their criteria, the last date for submitting the CAT forms ll be over...
Of course, they can avoid changing the criteria every year..I don't think they need to evaluate their PGP1s every yr n come up with new criterions

Originally Posted by murty001

- I would also like to know why the hell are they considering marks of an exam I would have written some 'n' number of years ago (like 10th and 12th)? Now suppose if I take my next CAT in 2011, what can they possibly determine by looking at my 10th marks which I received in 1998? So are they now implying that a student should decide in the 9th standard itself that he will be taking CAT in the future and then start studying hard for his 10th boards? What bullshit?

They don't expect you to aspire for an Yum Bee Yeah when you are in your 10th..they just want to see whether you are academically good..10th 12th and grad scores are good indicators of your academic strength...We may aspire to get into the IIM for various reasons..but for profs, acads are of number 1 priority...

Of course, a mumbai univ 70% and a madras univ 70% has a lot of difference...

[alok_amitabh]

i think the people at the helm of IIMs have their own way of thinking.. i have got no calls probably i did not deserve any... but when i see my friends getting calls from IIM-S at 90%ile and 92%ile, i feel is CAT really a farce... i have thought of fighting yet another day but i feel is it worth it? lets see... my room mate got 99.97 %ile with a min of 98.6 in qa and over 99.5 in other two sections... when i told him about his results(he got calls from LCKI) in the middle of the night when he was asleep, he asked me wat about A, B and S? i said probably this is wat you will get as u ve got 60% marks in XII. it took him time to come to terms as he expected all the calls.
But the bigger question is, then why conduct the CAT when the IIMs themselves dont give it the proper weightage. There may not not be much hue and cry over all this but the whole system seems flawed. you cannot compare marking systems of various colleges esp. engg. colleges. there are colleges where getting 80% is a cake walk and many others where even for 60% you have to put huge efforts. Again, in 10th and 12th classes marking systems vary across the state boards and CBSE and all. so, where do you draw the line.
You make some IIMs inaccessible even for the 100%ilers and give a call a call to a 90%iler, who has got some 24000 rank!!! A lot has to be thought and IIMs need to look into this.
i dont know whether people agree to my point or not. The point maybe polemical but lets give it a thought.
what is more important aptitude or academics?

[stayundefined]

Hi Folks,

Apparently, Rashmi Bansal has also written abt this here
Youth Curry - Insight on Indian Youth: Past perfect?

If you see the IIMA selection criteria, then Wrk ex is not counted while shortlisting a candidate...
Whats the point then? I am waiting to give CAT so that I can get a considerable amt of wrk exposure, understand where I want to do a MBA and then apply.

[hari_87]

let me join in as well. i have 91.x, 97.x and 98.x as my sectionals, 99.36 overall,decent acads(10th 94 12th 97.5 cgpa 7.5) and no calls. And what's more. I've not applied to any other institute under CAT. So, a year of hard work has fetched me a good score, but there's nothing i can do with it. As some of you have pointed out, it's not a great thing to announce criteria after the results. And it's weirder still to change selection criteria year after year. this year, only IIM C has gone with an 'only CAT score' policy for the first shortlist, and that too only for PGDM. Well, it's their admissions, and they can decide who are the people most suited to study in their institutions, but the least they can do is to anounce their criteria in advance, so that people don't feel cheated after results.