SC Upholds OBC , Results likely to be delayed

[typhoon]

Originally Posted by Karti

In a note IIMB has said that, it needs to review the obc students list and then call some more for GDPI if the existing list is not sufficient...
do u all think it is possible now.. bcos they have to start process from the scratch for them like reco,form, gd,pi et all....
i cant even imagine how much more time it would take!!!!

it is not possible..bcoz income is nt mentioned in the CAF..
only possibility if they ignore the creamy layer part of the judgment

cheers

[mohitbehl]

i watched a news update at TIMES NOW n as per tht Mr Arjun Singh has stated tht IIMs do fall under quota purview n ADVISORIES ARE BEING SENT TO IIMs ON THE SAME!!!
this is despite the fact tht sm sources frm within the congress party are contending the claims of MHRD regardin implementation of reservation quot in IIMs being UNTENABLE!!!
guess this whole drama is not going to end anytime soon!!
however i do hope that IIMs come out soon with at least a statement on the subject clarifying things!!

n 1 more thing the news item also said tht PG courses dont fall under the ambit of reservations n if the MHRD goes ahead with the reservations in IIMs it cn be challanged!!

[tarantula]

Some thoughts:

Last year also, the same thing had happened.. Results were supposed to be declared on 12th but eventually got declared on 27th.. Nothing was clear till even the 26th.. And they were declared quite suddenly.. (I remember because I had just returned from college unknowing and somebody told me to check the results). Because the IIMs could not have taken the dates forward for too long...

I totally agree with the moderator that probably the same thing is going to happen this year.. The definition of creamy layer is not yet clear.. Some haggling over that will take place on 15th April in the Parliament and accordingly they will ask the IIMs to take that definition into consideration.. And then the IIMs will require time to check those criteria.. On the other hand, somebody will take the Govt. to SC over the definition of creamy layer if it is too soft.. Which will lengthen the process.. Eventually either the IIMs will declare the results without OBC quota or they will check the details of the OBC students (which according to me won't happen.. Since if the Parliament tries to soften the definition of creamy layer, our student friends will pick up the issue and take the Govt. to court)..

So my opinion is that most probably this year too, the OBC quota will not be implemented unless the Govt. goes by SC's ruling and does not involve its personal agenda..

One thing is quite sure... Be prepared for a long wait for the results... I don't believe the creamy layer issue will be cleared in a week's time...

And chill out.. We people are supposed to be cool-headed managers, aren't we??

Cheers....

[soullancer]

Originally Posted by abhay.doomra

Its not about criticizing anyone, its about the quality of institutes that are the face of India in the education world. I don't mind studying with OBC,SC,ST...(the list goes on) as long as I know the guys with me are as much capable, if not better, as me. But the fact remains is that while most of us slogged for months to get calls all the "reservation" guys were able to get calls by just clearing the minimum cutoff. That i believe is a slap on my face, as if its my fault that I was not born in the Upper Class(read SC,ST and now OBC). Why is it that the prestigious institutes cannot take students with the same level of intelligence. Why do in a batch there have to be geniuses and at the same time some people who do not even deserve to be there. In the end its the institute who is at a loss. The reputation of IIMs go down because they are now producing batches with lower average intelligence than previous ones. So what I feel is that it is ridiculous to talk about seats and all, it is not about the seats at all. The point is that whether its worthwhile to spend 2 yrs at a college where half of the batch is not up to your standards???

That is what i was talking about Abhay... you are generalising the whole issue to each and every OBC... and what exactly do you mean by "not up to your standards??" .. srry to ask bu how many IIM guys have you met who were not upto your standard??? Reservation was always there but not to this level... i for once am yet to come across any IIM grad whom i can say was not worthy of being in IIM... i do understand your point that there will be people who are average in a batch of excellent students but hey our cribbing and crying over this issue will not change anything... so its better for us to not shout at others for its not worthy of people who deserve to be in the best institutes of India...

Lancer

[abhay.doomra]

Just a query....want to know whether SC's ruling said that quota should be valid only upto graduation and not post-graduation.

[tarantula]

Originally Posted by mohitbehl

i watched a news update at TIMES NOW n as per tht Mr Arjun Singh has stated tht IIMs do fall under quota purview n ADVISORIES ARE BEING SENT TO IIMs ON THE SAME!!!
this is despite the fact tht sm sources frm within the congress party are contending the claims of MHRD regardin implementation of reservation quot in IIMs being UNTENABLE!!!
guess this whole drama is not going to end anytime soon!!
however i do hope that IIMs come out soon with at least a statement on the subject clarifying things!!

Well this is what I was saying when I said that results are likely to get delayed a lot... Arjun Singh won't budge.. Youth for Equality will take the Govt. to court for misinterpreting the SC judgement... And my take is that the process takes a long time... And so the results won't include OBC quota...

My personal opinion of course...

[abhay.doomra]

Originally Posted by soullancer

That is what i was talking about Abhay... you are generalising the whole issue to each and every OBC... and what exactly do you mean by "not up to your standards??" .. srry to ask bu how many IIM guys have you met who were not upto your standard??? Reservation was always there but not to this level... i for once am yet to come across any IIM grad whom i can say was not worthy of being in IIM... i do understand your point that there will be people who are average in a batch of excellent students but hey our cribbing and crying over this issue will not change anything... so its better for us to not shout at others for its not worthy of people who deserve to be in the best institutes of India...

Lancer

What I meant was that that why guys with 80-85%ile are confirmed and people like me are still holding their breaths. In case you have any doubt whether they are confirmed or not go the IIM website and just see the pdf about the CAT results. I am not talking about OBC specifically but about the whole reservation process as whole.

[prem_ravi]

Quote:
Originally Posted by abhay.doomra
Its not about criticizing anyone, its about the quality of institutes that are the face of India in the education world. I don't mind studying with OBC,SC,ST...(the list goes on) as long as I know the guys with me are as much capable, if not better, as me. But the fact remains is that while most of us slogged for months to get calls all the "reservation" guys were able to get calls by just clearing the minimum cutoff. That i believe is a slap on my face, as if its my fault that I was not born in the Upper Class(read SC,ST and now OBC). Why is it that the prestigious institutes cannot take students with the same level of intelligence. Why do in a batch there have to be geniuses and at the same time some people who do not even deserve to be there. In the end its the institute who is at a loss. The reputation of IIMs go down because they are now producing batches with lower average intelligence than previous ones. So what I feel is that it is ridiculous to talk about seats and all, it is not about the seats at all. The point is that whether its worthwhile to spend 2 yrs at a college where half of the batch is not up to your standards???

OK now this is getting too much & forcing me to jump into the fray..What do you mean by Genius ...a guy cracking CAT once with 99 + ile is Genius right..Go & check his past history he wouldnt have cleared the cutoffs the past couple of years or give him the same paper after one year & ask him to crack it, he would be struggling to prove his "Genius" credentials....

Im not replying to your Anti reservation points, Iam replying to your comments about the intellectual capabillities of Other Communities....

Never have this attitude that IIMs take only Brainy Guys..They are there to recruit students who can be mended as Managers..Be a Manager First (For that be a Good Human first ie not belittling someone on communal basis)...

[ajmanian]

I am just not able to understand actually what this OBC thing is ;or for tht matter wat is SC or ST .I mean its just the society ht has given these names to certain sects of ppl who hv gleefully accepted this due to the large benefits our system provides to thm.Now everybody wants to get under the umbrella of OBC or other reserved categories (recent examples are gujjars , meenas etc) to avail these benefits.Guys its very obvious tht its the politics tht is being played shamelessly by our respected politicians to earn vote and njy power .Why cant we jst understand this and show these politicians the exit door.If anyone sees the interview of "respected" arjun singh with karan thapar , u'll come to knw the exact purpose behind these reservations.
The only way out is for us ppl to join hands and just cut this thing out totally.Be it a "general" category guy or a "reserved guy " all must meet hands coz i am sure their r thousands of :reserved category guys who r as gud as anyone and dnt need any reservation to grow.Its abt maintaning a self esteem ;which is not possible with reservations.

So i request each and every member of society to finish this sort of naming convention followed and let all be known by indians .

Amen

[abhay.doomra]

looks like I have been misinterpreted....I never meant to integrate intelligence with communalism. what i meant was that why is there have to be reservation and why cant only 99+ get in...why is there a disparity between people. Why are there separate lists according to caste.



PS: Sorry if I have hurt anyone...that was purely unintentional.