SC Upholds OBC , Results likely to be delayed

[prem_ravi]

Originally Posted by Surfacer

Gem of a point. How can a Graduate be considered 'backward'

Assume a graduate (BSC, BCOM etc), who has not got a Job, Assume the same graduate if he is working for 3000-4000 per month (I can show you plenty)...

Such guys are Backwards (assume his parents also have a job which fetch them 3-4 thousand)..

He is Backward - Finacially (I dont want to comment on the caste part)

[Trojanprince]

All it filters down to is that the advantage of an increase in seats is being taken away from the Gen category students to the OBC ones...being from the southern part of the country, it is not new for me that i have lost better avenues to people who have performed worse than me,but all said and done lets hope the IIMs remain institutes that churn out the best managers of the country.

[pravzmad]

Another twist in the tale

No OBC quota in IIMs, AIIMS: Top lawyer

K Venugopal, one of India's highly respected lawyers told rediff.com on Thursday, "According to today's judgment, the Indian Institute of Management and All India Institute of Medical Sciences will not have any reservation for Other Backward Classes."
Venugopal appeared in this landmark hearing in the Supreme Court on behalf of the Junior Doctors Association of AIIMS, New Delhi.
Explaining the reason behind it, he said, "Justices Arijit Pasayat, C K Thakker and Dalveer Bhandari has clearly said in their judgment that you ceased to be OBC when you are educated and attain graduation. Test of the OBC is social and educational backwardness. It says "and", that means if you are not educationally backward you are not OBC. The court has accepted the argument that if you are able to graduate you are not entitled to reservation."
"Not only IIMs, but even AIIMS and such other centres of higher learning will not have any OBC reservation," Venugopal added.

[ajay_mohanty]

A will add seats after OBC addition , the numbers are clearly mentioned.

C will also probably add some seats as there was no planned addition
for this year. ( Atleast they didn't make it public )

BLIK had announced that they would add seats irrespective of OBC implementation. ( Don't think there would be any further addition )

So I guess it is obvious that some GEN candidates from these 4 lists have to make way for OBC candidates.

Just have to pray that we are not included in those unlucky candidates.

[kevin.s]

Puys,

Besides being aspirants for top class management education,
are not we also the citizens of this country.
Someone mentioned a quota student getting call at 87 and driving off in his honda-accord.
Even i had a classmate ; son of a regional railways director, quota student with latest most expensive PDAs who even used to use a govt Toyata-Qualis to go from hostel to college. I don't know who was backward, he or us
Having said that, there were also some obc students, who were very good at academics and used to score above 8.5 (gpa).
But that is not the point.
The point is, what are we going to do about all this , besides cribbing. Politicians can't be allowed to play with the future of this country in the name of some populist social justice, using some arbit criteria.
We people have a stake in how this country is run, and we can't afford to be passive watchers.
Look at AIIMS junta. at least they are doing something. Success or defeat is a function of many variables, but we must not sit idle.
"KarmanyaVadikarste"
We must do something. Let 's define that something now.

[ajay_mohanty]

Originally Posted by pravzmad

Another twist in the tale

No OBC quota in IIMs, AIIMS: Top lawyer

K Venugopal, one of India's highly respected lawyers told rediff.com on Thursday, "According to today's judgment, the Indian Institute of Management and All India Institute of Medical Sciences will not have any reservation for Other Backward Classes."

We just have to hope and pray that whatever is mentioned here is True.
And Results Come Out tomorrow.

[kapildhaka]

For those who think that quota will ruin the quality I just want to say the quality is not confined in any caste rather it is distributed randomly in the society. There may be issues about performance in competitive tests like iit-jee or cat but these tests never map the talent truly and comprehensively. The fluctuating performances of same student over the different tests and in the same test different time is a very obvious and strong argument for the above logic. Its true that OBC students dont stand at par with general students in competitive tests but but because of some external reasons(Remember that talent is always distributed randomly).There must be some really strong logics behind implementing the reservation otherwise it could be never possible in a society where around 80% of top jobs are held by those who are in general category. For the sake of argument some people may put the point that govt. may implement the reservation at school level but that is not practical and even not possible.In a country where none of the govt. school (except few army schools n kendriya vidyalyas ) competes with private schools reservation does not make any sense in schools. OBC makes up 52% of indian population but less than 8% of class A jobs in india are held by OBC people.(www.obcreservation.com - Statistics - OBC Status) So reservation may not be the best way to lift these backward classes but no doubt it will bring good results over time.














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[mjp1618]

Originally Posted by kevin.s

Puys,

Besides being aspirants for top class management education,
are not we also the citizens of this country.
Someone mentioned a quota student getting call at 87 and driving off in his honda-accord.
Even i had a classmate ; son of a regional railways director, quota student with latest most expensive PDAs who even used to use a govt Toyata-Qualis to go from hostel to college. I don't know who was backward, he or us
Having said that, there were also some obc students, who were very good at academics and used to score above 8.5 (gpa).
But that is not the point.
The point is, what are we going to do about all this , besides cribbing. Politicians can't be allowed to play with the future of this country in the name of some populist social justice, using some arbit criteria.
We people have a stake in how this country is run, and we can't afford to be passive watchers.
Look at AIIMS junta. at least they are doing something. Success or defeat is a function of many variables, but we must not sit idle.
"KarmanyaVadikarste"
We must do something. Let 's define that something now.

http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/cat-an...ml#post1078247 (SC Upholds OBC , Results likely to be delayed)

Originally Posted by Trojanprince

All it filters down to is that the advantage of an increase in seats is being taken away from the Gen category students to the OBC ones...being from the southern part of the country, it is not new for me that i have lost better avenues to people who have performed worse than me,but all said and done lets hope the IIMs remain institutes that churn out the best managers of the country.

There is little hope for that now. From now onwards, almost half of the students at IIMs would be people who could not compete with the general population and needed quotas to get admission.

Compare that with ISB, for example. Absolutely no reservations for SC/ST/OBC/whatever.

[willrock]

my first post on pagalguy to bring happiness for u No OBC quota in IIMs, AIIMS: Top lawyer

[mjp1618]

Originally Posted by kapildhaka

For those who think that quota will ruin the quality I just want to say the quality is not confined in any caste rather it is distributed randomly in the society. There may be issues about performance in competitive tests like iit-jee or cat but these tests never map the talent truly and comprehensively. The fluctuating performances of same student over the different tests and in the same test different time is a very obvious and strong argument for the above logic. Its true that OBC students dont stand at par with general students in competitive tests but but because of some external reasons(Remember that talent is always distributed randomly).There must be some really strong logics behind implementing the reservation otherwise it could be never possible in a society where around 80% of top jobs are held by those who are in general category. For the sake of argument some people may put the point that govt. may implement the reservation at school level but that is not practical and even not possible.In a country where none of the govt. school (except few army schools n kendriya vidyalyas ) competes with private schools reservation does not make any sense in schools. OBC makes up 52% of indian population but less than 8% of class A jobs in india are held by OBC people.(www.obcreservation.com - Statistics - OBC Status) So reservation may not be the best way to lift these backward classes but no doubt it will bring good results over time.

Good results to whom? The people getting the free cake? Of course, they are getting the cake, aren't they?

The problem with reservations is that by implication, they provide short cuts for people who were not good enough to compete with general category students. And why were they not good enough to compete in the first place? OBCs are not genetically inferior to the average Indian, are they? The reason why they are not good enough to compete is because of inadequate primary education. 2 years of management education is not going to compensate for 12 years of poor primary education. The people who get admission to an IIM through quotas and pass out will never be as good as people who got admission in the general category, by actually competing with the general population. People who say otherwise are grossly undermining the importance of primary education.

The reason why OBCs are backward is because they get very poor primary education. The government should be focused on providing that first. And if everyone gets good quality primary education, then they wouldn't need quotas at all.

Why are government schools so bad? Why can't they compete with private schools? WTF is the stupid government doing with the tax money? Why couldn't it use the 60,000 crore for farmer-tax-waiver to provide free, good quality primary education to the children of the farmers?

The primary education an individual gets makes him/her the person he/she becomes. Higher education can do very little. If someone is stupid when he is 18 years old because of poor primary education, then no amount of higher studies will make him suddenly super brilliant.