SC Upholds OBC , Results likely to be delayed

[pavitra_177]

From the judgement...

The Judgement Information System

every Central Educational Institution shall, with
the prior approval of the appropriate authority, increase
the number of seats in a branch of study or faculty over
and above its annual permitted strength so that the
number of seats, excluding those reserved for the
persons belonging to the Scheduled Castes, the
Scheduled Tribes and the Other Backward Classes, is
not less than the number of such seats available for the
academic session immediately preceding the date of
the coming into force of this Act

[krishthedope]

Sorry for posting multiple posts..this indicates staggard implementation...so results will be out soon woithout delay as this things are already planned.

(2) Where, on a representation by any Central
Educational Institution, the Central Government, in
consultation with the appropriate authority, is satisfied
that for reasons of financial, physical or academic
limitations or in order to maintain the standards of
education, the annual permitted strength in any branch
of study or faculty of such institution cannot be
increased for the academic session following the
commencement of this Act, it may permit by notification
in the Official Gazette, such institution to increase the
annual permitted strength over a maximum period of
three years beginning with the academic session
following the commencement of this Act; and then, the
extent of reservation for the Other Backward Classes
as provided in clause (iii) of section 3 shall be limited
for that academic session in such manner that the
number of seats available to the Other Backward
Classes for each academic session are commensurate
with the increase in the permitted strength for each
year."

[subhendubhowal]

OBC quota: IIMs may defer admission list-India-The Times of India

So Thanks to our Govt., we have to wait again.

We, general candidates, are born to suffer. We need to voice our protest strongly.

[niwsa]

Originally Posted by krishthedope

not less than the number of such seats available for the
academic session immediately preceding the date of
the coming into force of this Act.

Some IIM's(B,L,I,K if I am not wrong) had announced that they were increasing intake.(irrespective of quota or otherwise).

According to me, these lines imply that they are only required to maintain the same number of seats as last year.( in the general category)

[registeredpuy]

THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF CONFUSION OVER WEDER D QUOTA WUD BE APLICABLE TO POST GRADUATE INSTITUTES...FROM WAT I HEARD...2 JUDGES HAVE STATED IN DERE JUDGEMENT THAT A GRADUATE CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS 'BACKWARD'...THE SAME THING IS POSTED ON DIS LINK...http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/apr/...8.htm.....SURE HOPE DT IT STANDS TRUE...ELUCIDATION ND COMMENTS INVITED.

[prem_ravi]

Originally Posted by shaurya1985

Frds,

I don't think this judgement will effect the chances on General candinates in a negative manner, atleast for this year.

This year, at max, we can expect a reservation of 9% at IIMs. Guess OBCs anyways make 9% of general students. Hence in a way, general students will get benefitted.

Example of IIM A

In case there was no reservation; General seats = 186 which probably includes ard 20 OBC students.
Hence in reality, it would be 166 general seats and 20 OBC seats

Now when there is reservation, General seats = 192 and OBC seats = 17

Hence essentially due to reservation general seats hav actually increased by 20-25.

Kindly share your thoughts on this!!!

I myself personally know guys with calls under OBC reservations who converted calls last year ie except A (Which declared the minimum cutoff ) last year every other college absorbed the OBC candidates under general category...If this rule is extended, you never know the proportion of seats which would be eaten away..

But, there is one more thing here, many of the OBCs (including me) would have applied under General Quota after last year's experience..So the General Seats now would anyways have OBC guys applied under GC.


Now coming back to the Judgement, I would say it was a great Judgement as in it addresses the needy & has nailed the Govt's intention....Now, if this quota is used in a proper way, it will uplift lots of Middle Class Families...

The only irritating thing is the delay in the results, but finally the Verdict has to satisy every segment and the SC has done it in a very good way.

PS: IAM AN OBC (Creamy Layer)

[kamalchhabra]

Originally Posted by shaurya1985

Frds,
Example of IIM A

In case there was no reservation; General seats = 186 which probably includes ard 20 OBC students.
Hence in reality, it would be 166 general seats and 20 OBC seats

Now when there is reservation, General seats = 192 and OBC seats = 17

Hence essentially due to reservation general seats hav actually increased by 20-25.

Kindly share your thoughts on this!!!

i dont think this is the right way to look at it, actually, if a candidate applying from a reserved category is eligible for admission under the same criteria as a general candidate then that person is offered a seat from the general seats only, and that basically vacates a seat in the reserved category for the underperforming (dont know of any better adjective here) reserved category student...
so basically any OBC who gets marks more than the lowest marks of a selected GEN candidate, will take a GEN seat only...
another thing, in a scenario, when they cant find enough people frm the category to fill up the seats, these seats are not offered to GEN category people...like there were only 20 ST students shortlisted for the 21 seats that are there for the taking at IIMA!!!!

but ya, 6 seats have increased in IIMA for GEN...in the short term...but the impact is much more than that...
IIMs basically are a point of contention here for the salaries that people draw after graduating from an IIM...a part of which all categories want to enjoy...so reservations put into place...but that in response makes the industry feel that the reservations will dilute the level of students...so as a response, IIM students lose out on reputation...
and an institute having half the students who are generally not equally capable in their intelligence (or whatever CAT mite be testing) would certainly be perceived differently from the way it is looked as now...

anywayz, the latest important news now is that the declaration of results has been postponed by another week, as mentioned on the respective websites...
so people just go out and relax...come back after a week...
and we shall all meet here and discuss the results

wish everyone all the very best...
kamal

[niwsa]

Some info on IIMB seats in this article:

Quota: IIMs defer admission by a week

It says IIMB has admitted 251 students(excluding OBC).

[Surfacer]

Originally Posted by registeredpuy

THERE SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF CONFUSION OVER WEDER D QUOTA WUD BE APLICABLE TO POST GRADUATE INSTITUTES...FROM WAT I HEARD...2 JUDGES HAVE STATED IN DERE JUDGEMENT THAT A GRADUATE CANNOT BE CONSIDERED AS 'BACKWARD'...THE SAME THING IS POSTED ON DIS LINK...http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/apr/...8.htm.....SURE HOPE DT IT STANDS TRUE...ELUCIDATION ND COMMENTS INVITED.

Gem of a point. How can a Graduate be considered 'backward'

[mansham]

IIM's Don't Come Under Reservation

Harish Salve, lawyer for the doctors' association, who are against reservation in higher studies, told rediff.com, "I am quite happy with the judgment. This is one of the most balanced judgments".
He emphasised that, "Indian Institute of Management is a centre of post-graduate studies and the judges have accepted our argument and have exempted the application of reservation in post-graduation studies". Salve said that, "Indian Institute of Technology may have the reservation for OBCs".
Elaborating on the reason behind his satisfaction with the judgment, Salve said, "We had been arguing on a number of issues. We wanted to bar the creamy layer from benefiting from the reservation. The Supreme Court has accepted our argument. We were arguing for the fresh identification of castes. The judges have agreed to do it as well. Because of the today's judgment, it will not be affordable for OBC students to avail the quota because of the criteria of creamy layer and fresh identification of castes".
Salve optimistically added, "The judgment may have validated and accepted the Constitution amendment law, but it has redrawn the law too".

I think we will not have delayed results , if its true IIM's can come up with their admission list.