SC Upholds OBC , Results likely to be delayed

[hurricane]

Hi Everyone,

I went through the entire document of the Supreme Court Verdict..

Wanted to put light on the following categories which are in the creamy layer or have been excluded from reservation

"IV.
PROFESSIONAL CLASS AND THOSE ENGAGED IN TRADE AND
INDUSTRY

(i) Persons engaged in profession as a doctor, lawyer, chartered accountant, income Tax consultant, financial or management consultant, dental surgeon, engineer, architect, computer specialist, film artists and other film professional, author, playwright, sports persons, sports professional, media professional or any other
vocations of like status.

(ii) Persons
engaged in trade,
business and
industry.

"
I guess that puts almost all the OBCs who apply for CAT out of the resevations. Because as much i know more than 95% people applying for CAT are engineers or doctors or commerce grads." And after removing these guys and add to the fact that the cutoff for OBCs cannot go below 90% of the general, I don't think they will find any body eligible for the reservations."

Alos wealth wise anobody whose income is above the tax exemptions(ie 250000) is not eligble, but couldn't find anywhere that graduates are creamy layer. So I feel the OBC quota is applicable to IIMs.

Regards

[mandy1982]

Hi,

I meant the results - i am expecting them to be declared either by the end of this week or by early next week.

In case i get any further information i will update the same at the mentorship forum.

Originally Posted by Eswar_13

@mandy 1982,
Thanks a lot for your update.
But, what do you mean by it? Is it the date of announcement of the final list?

[NEWHAND]

Originally Posted by hurricane

Hi Everyone,

I went through the entire document of the Supreme Court Verdict..

Wanted to put light on the following categories which are in the creamy layer or have been excluded from reservation

"IV.
PROFESSIONAL CLASS AND THOSE ENGAGED IN TRADE AND
INDUSTRY

(i) Persons engaged in profession as a doctor, lawyer, chartered accountant, income Tax consultant, financial or management consultant, dental surgeon, engineer, architect, computer specialist, film artists and other film professional, author, playwright, sports persons, sports professional, media professional or any other
vocations of like status.

(ii) Persons
engaged in trade,
business and
industry.

"
I guess that puts all the OBCs who apply for CAT out. Because as much i know more than 95% people applying for CAT are engineers or doctors or commerce grads." And after removing these guys and add to the fact that the cutoff for OBCs cannot go below 90% of the general, I don't think they will find any body eligible for the reservations."

Alos wealth wise anobody whose income is above the tax exemptions(ie 250000) is not eligble, but couldn't find anywhere that graduates are creamy layer. So I feel the OBC quota is applicable to IIMs.

Regards

Final year students/unemployed grads qualify(?)

[uday911]

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[kapildhaka]

Originally Posted by ankita.v23

the sc has dissapointed me.. now God save the gn category students... when will this country will get over with caste stigma!!

future scenario: the gn students will need reservation...

I know that even cat will disappoint you.What the hell is sc decision's impact on gc students ?

[hurricane]

Hi,
Can sombody explain what this means.

This is the only extract in the entire document referring to graduate or post graduate courses.

"The learned Senior Counsel also contended that the contention of the Petitioners that special provisions can only be made up to 10+2 stage is untenable. If this plea is accepted, it would result in higher education being the privilege of the higher classes only and it would be a distortion of the concept of social advancement of the downtrodden and the negation of the goal envisaged by the Preamble. It was also contended that the principle of reverse discrimination is not applicable. The Doctrine of Strict Scrutiny and Narrow Tailoring are not applicable in India as they are American doctrines which operate under different facts and circumstances. This court on earlier occasion had rejected these pleas, when dealing with admission to Post-graduate Medical Courses, when 75% of seats were being reserved on the basis of institutional preference. "

Regards

[hurricane]

Originally Posted by NEWHAND

Final year students/unemployed grads qualify(?)

Final year students/ Unemployed grads are then going to be scrutinised according to their parents vocation/income.

But i guess even they will fall under the class of engineers or doctors or finance professionals etc... Am not clear on that. Document is tooo generic and doesn't talk very specific.

So i guess lot of people will qualify here.

Regards

[NEWHAND]

Any updates on the mentor sites (apart from K) ?

[uday911]

Originally Posted by CAT-a-tonic

one thing that the IIMs can definitely do is release the General Category and SC/ST results, after all, their numbers are not going to change (i sincerely hope)...

Okay there are two things here that we are overlooking:

1) SC/ST seats will change with the increase in OBC numbers (22.5% remains constant on final numbers)

2) More importantly, the institutes are talking of last year's numbers as a base. Which means some GC students WILL GET KNOCKED OUT of the list prepared by IIMs and which should have released on 11th. Allow me to illustrate.

IIMK had announced it will raise seats to 240 from 180 last year. The list prepared by the institute pre-judgment, would have had abt 186 GC students, up from 140 last year. Note that they would have also called more people for GD/PI for these increased seats. Now to accomodate the OBC students, they would go back to last year's numbers, which would mean striking off 46 GC students.

You may argue GC students may have contained OBCs as well, which makes the issue complicated, and hence the institutes cant come out with a list only with GC students for now. Its quite a substantial number we are talking abt here - so to say GC students will remain unaffected, is a mere hogwash. Similarly for lucknow, which had announced an increase from 250 to 300.

So yeah some of us may argue, we were 24 hours away from an IIM seat! I hope none of us has to, though. Pl correct me if i am wrong.

[funwithhimanshu]

Originally Posted by mandy1982

Hi,

I meant the results - i am expecting them to be declared either by the end of this week or by early next week.

In case i get any further information i will update the same at the mentorship forum.

Hi ,
first of all , a big THANKU for the initiative u took to come forward and pacify a few nerves .... and it would be great if you could post relevant updates on this forum also alongwith K mentorship forum. I am sure most of us will be visiting K mentorship forum also for updates but this is the place where the info. will reach most people and spread quickly...Hope u understand
Thanks once again