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Re: CAT likely to be on Computer - 05-04-2008, 04:49 PM

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Now, I'm not a very big proponent of this online pattern. One of the primary reasons being that it may become out of reach for applicants from villages etc., who may find this method more expensive rather than the currently used paper method. This is because, a centre would be decided(as a Prometric centre for GRE/GMAT) and one has to appear to take the test. Also, the application fee is likely to be hiked, if it's set to go online.

Then again, such people may not be very comfortable using computers and it may take a lot of time for them to actually grasp the ways to use, answer etc. Applicants for GRE/GMAT are mostly urban people, who don't face any trouble with handling these systems. Even with urban people, being able to use these systems well enough doesn't necessarily mean that taking an online test would be smooth sailing. Like for instance, RC passages or even LR/DI caselets. They're pretty long, more often than not. With an online exam, you'll have to scroll repeatedly to read, understand, re-read etc. This is so much simpler in the paper-based method. There may be other disadvantages as well with the online exam but this is one example which struck me.

Also, no matter how much backup the exam centre has, whatever precautions it may have taken, an online exam still is risky, as anytime the net could get disconnected, load shedding or simply, the computer may start acting funny...... These things can get seriously irritating during the exam.

Another point. Although the difficulty level may be similar or may even be increased, the very idea of conducting it 3/4 times in a year would mean that the intensity level would be missing(barring the few initial times after it's launched). Competition(by way of quantity) will decrease, as number of people applying at a given instant would be far lesser than the total number of applicants. The whole idea behind CAT(or for that matter, any other top exam like XAT/SNAP/JMET etc etc) is the "All or nothing" feeling. This is one feeling which gets all the applicants tense, no matter how well he's prepared, how much experience he has(in taking these tests). Till the results are declared, you don't know where you stand and if you do falter, you know there's one full year to wait.

Although the online method would seem beneficial in this aspect that it gives quick chances to those who couldn't do well earlier, but it CANNOT replace the anxiety/pressure/fear that is associated with CAT currently(although much of it's overhyped, thanks to the media)

And if the IIMs indeed wish to follow the method GRE/GMAT do, they'll want to display one's score as soon as he finishes his exam. Now, that would mean they would have to do away with the percentile system, as the total number of applicants are not known and everyone would try to take the test as per their own convenience. And if indeed the percentile system is replaced, the very idea of "Relative Performance" goes for a toss. Like in GMAT, even if you score 780/800, you don't know your percentile. You're happy with this score, no doubt, but I don't think it gives the same feel as knowing that out of 2.4 lakhs, 99 % applicants are behind you in their rankings. This really makes you feel on top of the world. Also, relative performance is directly linked to the competition and not on the level of questions. Even if the paper is difficult, it's difficult for everyone and not just for you. Although the concept of "adaptation" is prevalent in GRE/GMAT as well(i.e. easier question if you answered wrongly and tougher one if you answered correctly), but that's just adapting to your own self. What about the competition there?

I think I've been quite critical about this online exam, but as with anything, it's bound to have its share of advantages. Just that, I'm unable to notice any now....


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Re: CAT likely to be on Computer - 08-04-2008, 11:46 PM

Now im not going to look at this discussion from the exams reachability to the villages/infrastructure/feasibility etc.... Perhaps itll look selfish but maybe im echoing a lot of opinions on PG....

For me as an individual the changes are:

I have to deal with the test on the computer!!! Imagine reading those deadly RC passages on a screen under pressure,scrolling up and down,racking ur brains... and mind u its not a GRE where the passages are a few notches lower in difficulty... These are going to be hardcore screwed up typical CAT passages.

Solving DI sets wont be the same... Having tabulated data on paper and then interpreting it is difficult enough... But imagine these tables on a screen and then u trying to reconstruct this data on ur rough paper!

Quant is going to remain pretty much the same... Going online wont much affect this aspect of the paper.

Im not comfortable wit the idea of a question bank... It take away the charm of a real CAT... Luck might play a factor here then (Its not the same paper for everyone)

Finally, there probably wont be percentiles. And this is most uncomforting. CAT going online will make it more like GRE/GMAT where it is seen as a measure of ur aptitude and is used more as a qualifying phenomenon. (i got a GRE of 1470 and people with 1200 got the same admits as me, with almot the same academic profile)

So, maybe the IIM's are moving towards profile based calls.. which is bad bad news for guys like me who want to cover up average acads with excellent CAT scores

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Re: CAT likely to be on Computer - 09-04-2008, 01:24 PM

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Now im not going to look at this discussion from the exams reachability to the villages/infrastructure/feasibility etc.... Perhaps itll look selfish but maybe im echoing a lot of opinions on PG....

For me as an individual the changes are:

I have to deal with the test on the computer!!! Imagine reading those deadly RC passages on a screen under pressure,scrolling up and down,racking ur brains... and mind u its not a GRE where the passages are a few notches lower in difficulty... These are going to be hardcore screwed up typical CAT passages.

Solving DI sets wont be the same... Having tabulated data on paper and then interpreting it is difficult enough... But imagine these tables on a screen and then u trying to reconstruct this data on ur rough paper!

Quant is going to remain pretty much the same... Going online wont much affect this aspect of the paper.

Im not comfortable wit the idea of a question bank... It take away the charm of a real CAT... Luck might play a factor here then (Its not the same paper for everyone)

Finally, there probably wont be percentiles. And this is most uncomforting. CAT going online will make it more like GRE/GMAT where it is seen as a measure of ur aptitude and is used more as a qualifying phenomenon. (i got a GRE of 1470 and people with 1200 got the same admits as me, with almot the same academic profile)

So, maybe the IIM's are moving towards profile based calls.. which is bad bad news for guys like me who want to cover up average acads with excellent CAT scores

Its your call !
I agree with you on the point that solving RC and DI caselets won't be easy, in fact it could seem more difficult in this way, whereas the QA questions would feel more or less the same...

Now, the next point regarding luck playing a role here. As you yourself mentioned, that percentiles may be phased out for an absolute score(as is the case with GRE/GMAT), even though the paper wouldn't remain the same for everyone, still luck would probably play only a minimal part in this. This is because CAT would probably follow the "adaptive" pattern of GRE/GMAT.

This way, everyone gets an average level question first up and if he gets it correct, the next question is tougher. If he doesn't, the next question is simpler. Agreed, some topics may not be in the "strength" area of a particular applicant but if you see from an overall perspective, he still does have other areas to score from, whenever their questions occur. Because they're bound to occur at some point and from then on, you can pick up your score again.

So although luck may not play a very vital role, but the competitive feeling would be a bit missing as there could be many getting 780/800 or any other score. It's much different than the feeling of "I beat 99% of the total applicants" for a 99%ile score. Hope you agree with this.....


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Re: CAT likely to be on Computer - 09-04-2008, 02:34 PM

Got this info. from CAT IIM - 2007

ONLINE CAT : A CLARIFICATION

An article appeared in Business Standard dated February 4, 2008 which gives an impression that a decision has been taken that IIMs will introduce online CAT from CAT 2009. This is totally incorrect. In view of increasing number of candidates IIMs are considering various alternatives for modifying the process of conducting CAT, if necessary. Online testing is one of those alternatives. The proposals are at the preliminary stage of discussion.
   
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Re: CAT likely to be on Computer - 09-04-2008, 03:19 PM

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Got this info. from CAT IIM - 2007

ONLINE CAT : A CLARIFICATION

An article appeared in Business Standard dated February 4, 2008 which gives an impression that a decision has been taken that IIMs will introduce online CAT from CAT 2009. This is totally incorrect. In view of increasing number of candidates IIMs are considering various alternatives for modifying the process of conducting CAT, if necessary. Online testing is one of those alternatives. The proposals are at the preliminary stage of discussion.
Ya it's correct but then check the title of this thread.... "CAT likely to be on computer"...... As you can make out from the message that you posted that matter is actually being discussed by the IIMs and is not at all a hoax.... So no harm in discussing the consequences of it.


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Re: CAT likely to be on Computer - 09-04-2008, 03:31 PM

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Got this info. from CAT IIM - 2007

ONLINE CAT : A CLARIFICATION

An article appeared in Business Standard dated February 4, 2008 which gives an impression that a decision has been taken that IIMs will introduce online CAT from CAT 2009. This is totally incorrect. In view of increasing number of candidates IIMs are considering various alternatives for modifying the process of conducting CAT, if necessary. Online testing is one of those alternatives. The proposals are at the preliminary stage of discussion.
true... but this quoted article appeared in Feb while the article about the decision has appeared in April 2008, almost 2 months later...
don't u think that the alternaties might have been evaluated n decided within this period?

also, it is supposed to be in CAT-09, i'e. next year which gives them plenty of time to plan out the strategy...
   
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Re: CAT likely to be on Computer - 09-04-2008, 04:28 PM

Well from the CAT IIM - 2007 website it is clear that they are considering various alternatives apart from Online, if necessary.
I guess it is better to wait for them to announce it, if any. But we can continue discussing the pros and cons on it. I quoted the message as I have seen people posting whether it is for the year 2008 or 2009. Just wanted to inform them that it has not been decided yet .


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