[daemon]

hi crazycatrax,

ironic as it may seem , i beleive that when the job sucks, ur focus improves..its when u have fire under ur a** that u really become determined and focussed. and thats wht keeps me going too.. even my job sucks..

honestly guys, if u ever feel discouraged or u think u cant go on, i would urge u to watch the pursuit of happyness.. a great movie .u really would understand the euphoria u would be going thru when u acheive something when everything is against you.. all this will pass, but when u come out of it u wud be a much stronger and mature individual..so i guess instead of running away from problems take them head on..

2 points which i wud like to make
1. job shift: i wud say u r taking a huge risk..the economy is already down and until and unless there is real req companies wont recruit..u have to be in a new envt, have to go thru training..and have 0 seniority..what makes u think tht life is gonna be kool once u jump
2. resigning: kindly let me know wht r u gonna say when the interview panel asks u why u left the job. if u think u gonna bluff, think about mtv roadies.. they wud easily see thru ur lies..and another point is think about ur frustration if u dont get thru.

guys, most of us are in the same boat.. everybody has frustrations and dissapointments.. but its when u overcome them that u truely win..thts my 2 cents

[crazycatrax]

Originally Posted by daemon

hi crazycatrax,

ironic as it may seem , i beleive that when the job sucks, ur focus improves..its when u have fire under ur a** that u really become determined and focussed. and thats wht keeps me going too.. even my job sucks..

honestly guys, if u ever feel discouraged or u think u cant go on, i would urge u to watch the pursuit of happyness.. a great movie .u really would understand the euphoria u would be going thru when u acheive something when everything is against you.. all this will pass, but when u come out of it u wud be a much stronger and mature individual..so i guess instead of running away from problems take them head on..

2 points which i wud like to make
1. job shift: i wud say u r taking a huge risk..the economy is already down and until and unless there is real req companies wont recruit..u have to be in a new envt, have to go thru training..and have 0 seniority..what makes u think tht life is gonna be kool once u jump
2. resigning: kindly let me know wht r u gonna say when the interview panel asks u why u left the job. if u think u gonna bluff, think about mtv roadies.. they wud easily see thru ur lies..and another point is think about ur frustration if u dont get thru.

guys, most of us are in the same boat.. everybody has frustrations and dissapointments.. but its when u overcome them that u truely win..thts my 2 cents

Thanks Daemon.... if nothing else, then at least ur words have encouraged me to stay on a bit longer.... as for the question of 0 seniority.... well, missing a month here has already put me on a shaky ground, what with appraisals, danger of the actual leave reason's disclosure, peers moving way ahead, juniors taking over and possible layoffs around the corner .... As for the huge fire in my belly or a** , it has already made me indifferent towards most(actually all) of it.... it is just a question of how much more i can take before actually losing my self respect... can u give me more of ur 2 cents? i have watched "pursuit of happyness".... i must say it is very inspiring

[girishs23]

Hi puys,

I have been working in IT since almost 2 years. Recently my dad got a business offer and he's asked me if i would be interested in joining him for it. I think it would be a good experience for me going forward. Hence, i am thinking of quitting my job and going for the business. It would also give me time for studies since it won't be managed entirely by me. I need your take on this guys, would it reflect a positive picture during interviews???

[Dreamer_08]

Originally Posted by daemon

hi crazycatrax,

ironic as it may seem , i beleive that when the job sucks, ur focus improves..its when u have fire under ur a** that u really become determined and focussed. and thats wht keeps me going too.. even my job sucks..

honestly guys, if u ever feel discouraged or u think u cant go on, i would urge u to watch the pursuit of happyness..

So very true...a beautiful movie... along with cinderella man n rocky.. this movie is a must watch when ur feelin down n out,.. (which is quite frequent.. mostly hovering arnd sundays and wednesdays ) when i was watching it.. i cud feel the frustration of everythin gng wrong in one's life...
then i thot abt juggling my own work n studies...n it din look all that bad or difficult... m not sayin that workin proff don't hav their share of probs... it's def tough on some days... all m sayin is when you see the difficulties ppl go thru to get wher they r.. you tend to utilize wot u have..more!!
so do check it out!! n gear up puys!! it's time to rock!!!

[daemon]

hi girish,

please ask your seniors before doing so..it may be risky..if u have joined any coaching institute then ask the directors..they will be able to help..but be extra cautius.

hey crazy cat,

dude i think we work in the same company....my story is also not very differant from yours..about losing respect and all..it happens..

first i would suggest find out what u really want..whether u want to be in IT(coding) or another sector..and if an mba which sector and specialization.and then prepare accordingly..

about me..approaching 3 years of experience..have been kicked around modules..in the end jack of all trades..master of none..pms calling and advicing is a routine..on top of that i had taken close to 3 months of leave because i was down with jaundice..ppl of my batch have much better knowledge than me and are the favourites for the next prmotion..on top of tht being the only southy in my group makes me look like an alien..unappreciated, underrated.. tht is why i have always been able to relate myself to pursuit of happyness..if there is anything tht is holding me back is tht i need to do an mba..all my close friends have moved on to other companies and after talking to them i know tht i wont be able to do much preps there..and everytime i sit down for studies it is this ,tht motivates me to go ahead.:2gunfire:.anyways i wud be leaving for mba next year..whether its iim or jhansi rani school of mgmt..and there are hardly 5 months left..so why not give it my best shot..

cheer up buddy and give it ur best...let ur current pressure , frustration and dissapointment be the motivation to study further..thats why i always advice..if ur job sucks to the core there is nothing more motivating for prep

[arun_juee]

Hi All,

This post is meant for Working Professionals.

Recently ISB Officials said : The Profile we hated most is Male Indian IT Professionals, these guys being the most frustrated of Indian Youth. But somehow these guys manage to get admission to good B-Schools.

Lets see how much this is true.

Vote @ http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/cat-an...essionals.html (CAT 2008 for Working Professionals)

Later.
ZacK

P.S.-Choices are taken from CAT Bulletin 2008.

[sathyamoorthy]

Originally Posted by arun_juee

Hi All,

This post is meant for Working Professionals.

Recently ISB Officials said : The Profile we hated most is Male Indian IT Professionals, these guys being the most frustrated of Indian Youth. But somehow these guys manage to get admission to good B-Schools.

Lets see how much this is true.

Vote @ http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/cat-an...essionals.html (CAT 2008 for Working Professionals)

Later.
ZacK

P.S.-Choices are taken from CAT Bulletin 2008.

Hi
Can you please give the source of your so called ISB officials quotes...
What are you trying to convey through the post??

You have posted this in all the available threads. What is ur motive??

I find the quote totally unwarranted.

Sathya

[raghav507]

hi puys,
here's another article in the continuing Monday Arun Sharma series...

SKILL-SETS DEVELOPMENT APPROACH

DATA INTERPRETATION (DI) IS ALL ABOUT A SET OF SKILLS,WHICH IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY AND DEVELOP CORRECTLY, IS PERHAPS THE MOST IMPORTANT TASK IN YOUR DI PREPARATION. ARUN SHARMA GIVES YOU THE LOW-DOWN


IN our last article in this series, we had written about the process of preparation for data interpretation (DI) and had advocated a two dimensional approach (skill development + exposure creation) in conjunction with four umbrella approach for the section — the four lines of preparation when you prepare for DI and LR sections of all management exams — these umbrellas being: traditional data interpretation; advanced reasoning based data interpretation; CAT type reasoning; non CAT reasoning.
Today, we would like to focus on the skills development approach for DI preparation.

The key point here is that DI is all about a set of skills, which if you can identify and develop correctly, is perhaps the most important task in your DI preparation. Even when you are continuing your question exposure work, the key issue is: ‘Are you able to identify the skill set and go through a learning curve on the same?’

What we want to tell you here can be best explained by an example. Consider the following set of questions that had appeared in the DI section of the CAT 2007 paper. Remember that when you are solving this set you are playing for 20 marks in CAT-2007. The value of 20 marks in the paper can be understood if you look at it from the viewpoint that it would convert a 70 percentile to 90+ percentile and an early 90s score to perhaps a 99+ score.

We would first ask you to try to solve this question set. Given the nature of this set of questions, it can be safely expected that most aspirants should be able to solve this with ease, especially those who are scoring over 70-80 percentile. The only thing that would differ would be the time dimension. While a 70 percentiler might take somewhere between 10-12 minutes to solve this, a 100 percentiler in DI would be able to attempt these in 5-6 minutes.

Try this: A healthdrink company's research and development department is trying to make various diet formulations, which can be used for certain specific purposes. It is considering a choice of five alternative ingredients (O, P, Q, R, and S), which can be used in different proportions in the formulations. The table gives the composition of these ingredients.
The cost per-unit of these ingredients is O: 150; P: 50; Q: 200; R: 500; S: 100.

1. For a recuperating patient, the doctor recommended a diet containing 10% minerals and at least 30% protein. In how many different ways can we prepare this diet by mixing at least two ingredients?
(1) One (2) Two (3) Three (4) Four (5) None
Estimated time for a 100 percentiler to solve this: 5-10 seconds

2. Which among the following is the formulation having the lowest cost per unit for a diet having 10% fat and at least 30% protein? The diet has to be formed by mixing two ingredients.
(1) P & Q (2) P & S (3) P & R (4) Q & S (5) R and S
Estimated time for a 100 percentiler to solve this: 30-40 seconds

3. In what proportion P, Q and S should be mixed to make a diet having at least 60% carbohydrate at the lowest per-unit cost?
(1) 2:1:3 (2) 4:1:2 (3) 2:1:4 (4) 3:1:2 (5) 4:1:1
Estimated time for a 100 percentiler to solve this: 30 seconds

4. The company is planning to launch a balanced diet required for growth needs of adolescent children. This diet must contain at least 30% each of carbohydrate and protein, no more than 25% fat and at least 5% minerals. Which one of the following combinations of equally mixed ingredients is feasible?
(1) O & P (2) R & S (3) P & S (4) Q & R (5) O and S
Estimated time for a 100 percentiler to solve this: 30 seconds

SOLUTION 1: OPTION 1
10% minerals is only feasible if we mix O & Q. Any other mix of two ingredients would not give us 10% minerals since one of the ingredients would contain less than 10% and the other would contain at max 10%. The average mineral in the mixture would always be less than 10 in such a case.

SOLUTION 2: OPTION 4
P & S are the cheapest ingredients. However both of them contain no fat. Hence, the second option can be ruled out. Since P is the least cost ingredient, we will try to use P maximum and any other ingredient only to the extent required to meet the constraints. Since P & S is not feasible, using P & O can generate the next lowest cost but that is not an option. Hence, we try the next cheapest combination possible, P & Q. This too will not be feasible since P&Q can never give us 30% protein.
Hence option 1 is ruled out. Option 3 would give us a feasible mix if we use three units of P and one unit of R. The cost for four units of the mixture would be 50x3+500=650 and the average cost would be 650/4 = 137.5. We now need to check the remaining two options to see whether this cost can be beaten — and it is apparent that for the fourth option if we take a mix of Q & S in the ratio 4:1 the total cost for five units would be 600 and the average cost would be 120. It can be seen that the fifth option will give a higher value. Hence, Q and S is the ideal combination.

SOLUTION 3: OPTION 5
Objective obviously is to maximize P in the mix. Also, it can be seen that option 2 and 5 are the only possibilities (as no other option will give you 60% carbohydrates). Between options 2 and 5, the latter will always be cheaper. You do not need to check this.

SOLUTION 4: OPTION 5
O & P fails because of proteins, R&S fails because of carbohydrates, P & S fails because of Minerals and Q & R fails because of carbohydrates. Only O & S satisfies all conditions.

By any standard, this set of questions would qualify as pretty simple in the context of the CAT exam. So, the key issue we need to consider is that of the time differential between a 100 percentiler in DI and a 60 percentiler in DI. Obviously a 100 percentiler is much faster in reacting and processing the information while solving the question, because his skill-sets in doing the same things is much faster. Perhaps an analogy to this can be taken from the domain of sports, in cricket, anyone can play a bowler throwing the ball at 50kmph, but it takes a person with special skills to face a bowler bowling 100 miles an hour.

We would like to end by giving you a brief outline of the skill-set required for preparing for DI. The skill-set can be divided into two
dimensions:

Calculative skills: A function of your ability to add two digit numbers, your ability to multiply two digit numbers, your ability to calculate percentage values and your ability to compare ratios (big and small).

Mathematical knowledge based skills: Number systems-based skills (important for advanced reasoning based DI), venn diagrams, averages and alligations, progressions, percentages and ratios.
Focus on sharpening your skills in these areas and you should definitely be able to create a percentile jump in your scores.
(The author is an alumnus of IIM Bangalore, a nationally renowned CAT trainer and the author of a series of best-selling books published by Tata McGraw Hill on CAT and other aptitude exams)

[crazycatrax]

Originally Posted by daemon

hey crazy cat,

dude i think we work in the same company....my story is also not very differant from yours..about losing respect and all..it happens..

first i would suggest find out what u really want..whether u want to be in IT(coding) or another sector..and if an mba which sector and specialization.and then prepare accordingly..

about me..approaching 3 years of experience..have been kicked around modules..in the end jack of all trades..master of none..pms calling and advicing is a routine..on top of that i had taken close to 3 months of leave because i was down with jaundice..ppl of my batch have much better knowledge than me and are the favourites for the next prmotion..on top of tht being the only southy in my group makes me look like an alien..unappreciated, underrated.. tht is why i have always been able to relate myself to pursuit of happyness..if there is anything tht is holding me back is tht i need to do an mba..all my close friends have moved on to other companies and after talking to them i know tht i wont be able to do much preps there..and everytime i sit down for studies it is this ,tht motivates me to go ahead.:2gunfire:.anyways i wud be leaving for mba next year..whether its iim or jhansi rani school of mgmt..and there are hardly 5 months left..so why not give it my best shot..

cheer up buddy and give it ur best...let ur current pressure , frustration and dissapointment be the motivation to study further..thats why i always advice..if ur job sucks to the core there is nothing more motivating for prep

Thanks buddy... i have decided not to give up so easily finally

[crazycatrax]

Originally Posted by crazycatrax

Thanks buddy... i have decided not to give up so easily finally

And wish u all the best with ur preps too. May we both get a royal deliverance