[avinav2712]

Originally Posted by Madrock

Hey, Puys,

I am srsly very passionate for CAT. I am scoring around 95 %ile in my mock cats this time around. This is also my first time.
I have
87 % in 10th,
73 % in 12th,
and then i enrolled into Law 5 yrs course.
Being a non-med student thru out i found it really hard to cope up with all the arts nd humanities kind of studies. and managed a very disgusting nd embarrasing 59 % in my first three yrs tht is BA. nw coz i have got my BA
i wanna get outta this LLB course nd go for MBA.

I juzz wanna know, lets suppose i get a %ile thts above 99 in CAT ( may b i m being far too optimistic, bt whts harm in supposing)
given my bad acad record in graduation, cn i hope to get into ne of the IIMs or MDI?

Will they be generous to law graduate as it is a low scoring subject(although rite now i dnt have a LLB degree, juzz BA(hons) in Law) . the university toppper manages 70 barely. and i have been like representing my college in all major law competitions,(moot courts nd all).


I actually wanna know tht can good CAT percentile overcome the acads, i mean below 60% acads bt juzz in graduation(in 10th nd 12th i managed fairly good). and can BA degree holder can ever find a place into any IIM ??

plz give a detailed reply, to let me know if i am chasing fool's gold.
and if i can hope to get into a gud insti, wht all things shud i do rite to do so.

I think a profile like yours should stand you in good stead.... BA people are rare in a pool of engineers so you could have an advantage. Regarding your low %age in BA, you could try and offset it by telling them about what all competitions you have taken part in and how it helped you gain exposure and practical experience. The only point is that you should be able to justify why you got less %age in BA and that despite the low marks, you have enough knowledge about it. If the panel is convinced about this, you shouldn't face any trouble and can surely get into any of the top institutes

Best of luck!!

[raghav507]

Originally Posted by Madrock

Hey, Puys,

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and then i enrolled into Law 5 yrs course.
Being a non-med student thru out i found it really hard to cope up with all the arts nd humanities kind of studies. and managed a very disgusting nd embarrasing 59 % in my first three yrs tht is BA. nw coz i have got my BA
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I juzz wanna know, lets suppose i get a %ile thts above 99 in CAT ( may b i m being far too optimistic, bt whts harm in supposing)
given my bad acad record in graduation, cn i hope to get into ne of the IIMs or MDI?
-------
I actually wanna know tht can good CAT percentile overcome the acads, i mean below 60% acads bt juzz in graduation(in 10th nd 12th i managed fairly good). and can BA degree holder can ever find a place into any IIM ??

plz give a detailed reply, to let me know if i am chasing fool's gold.
and if i can hope to get into a gud insti, wht all things shud i do rite to do so.

hi madrock,
your dilemma (in bold) is very appropriate...
but let me tell you that you have a very different profile as compared to tons of engineers like us here...
this will be your strong point...

regarding your query for marks in graduation...only IIMB and IIML give a lot of importance to academics along with other factors like work ex...etc...
still the major of the lot including IIMA and IIMC give importance to CAT scores...
if you score above 99 %ile with balanced sectionals in cat this year...there's no point in your not getting a call from any IIMs...
so don't worry, and keep on preparing...

you can find some interesting stories here...
http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/cat-an...eak-about.html (All I wanted to Speak about CAT)

[raghav507]

hi puys,
lagta hai ki yeh thread kuch inactive ho gya hai...
so here's the activity...
new article from Arun Sharma...

KEEPING THE FAITH

ONE OF THE GREATEST CHALLENGES YOU WILL FACE IN THE COUNTDOWN TO THE CAT EXAM IS KEEPING YOURSELF MOTIVATED AND BELIEVING IN YOUR ABILITY TO CRACK THE EXAM. ARUN SHARMA TELLS YOU WHY YOU NEED TO PREPARE FOR THE CAT AND NOT THE MOCK CAT


WHENEVER there has been any significant achievement in human history, there has always been at it's core an underlying panorama of belief. Somewhere, sometimes, humans across history have told themselves that 'I can' and that has been the single most important reason for all human achievement.

So why are we talking about this at this point of time in this article? Well to tell you the least, we have our reasons for the same. Consider this letter we received from one of the multitudes of CAT aspirants, just last week: “I am a student preparing for CAT 2008. I wanted to take your help on how I should prepare in the last two months. My percentile varies between 80s and 90s. I feel in the last two mock CATs I have been under some kind of pressure to perform well and because of that I performed badly. I'm afraid what will happen on November 16, as the pressure then will be so high. Sir, please help and do tell me how to improve my percentile. I had been scoring around 95-96 in previous mock CATs but the two most recent one's have been very low.”

For us, this e-mail is representative of the normal experiences and pressures that people preparing for the CAT come under. And at our end this is nothing new. Over the years we have seen the same happening to multitudes of CAT aspirants across the country. Perhaps, on the D-day while around three lakh people would enter the exam hall physically, only about 10,000 would enter the hall that day believing in their ability to crack the exam.
What is the reason behind this and what can be done to avoid it?

THE CAUSES
We call it the percentile syndrome. Around July to September each year, aspirants get onto the bandwagon of giving mock exams. The logic is pretty clear for most of them — if I am taking the CAT in November I need to practice the maximum number of mock papers prior to the D-day. So far so good.
But then, as is evident from the e-mail above, while mock CATs do serve the purpose of helping you practice, in our opinion their percentile scores and the c o n s e q u e n t interpretation of the same does more harm than good. So, apart from the fortunate few who are able to score over 98-99 percentile consistently, percentiles in mock CATs only help demoralize most aspirants, the typical experience is that of hitting an upper limit of percentile score and there on getting frustrated due to not being able to breach this limit.
The result then is the creation of a self fulfilling prophecy about what percentile limit one is going to hit. So, individually in their own preparation processes, most people would already have attributed a certain percentile range to themselves — based on what percentiles they are getting in their mock CATs.
On the D-day, even before you start your paper, if you have already defined an upper limit for your percentile, it will play itself out as a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is, perhaps, both ridiculous and dangerous.

THE SOLUTIONS
Here are a few pointers that you should consider paying heed to:

1) Stop taking your percentiles seriously. Start focusing on your percentage of marks. Let the percentiles take care of themselves. Every year, for the past 5-6 years, approximately 30% of marks as a net score have been sufficient to get above 95 percentile in the CAT. About 40% has been pretty safe right through. Our advise to you is to focus on what percentage of marks you are able to score in the tests that you take. And what do you need to do to improve this percentage? The logic is that if the percentage is good enough a good percentile would follow.

2) Remember that the mock CATs are not the actual CATs. Prepare for the CAT and stop preparing for the mock CATs. The CAT paper is designed keeping in mind a lot of factors that institutes running coaching classes cannot even consider while designing their mock test papers. Just to give you an instance of this, in the DI and LR section of the CAT paper, pick up any question that has been asked in this section and you will find that no CAT question is longer than 6-8 steps for solving. However, when it comes to some mock papers you would realise that there are questions that are even 20 steps long.

3) Keep yourself on your side — perhaps the most important point at this time. The greatest wars are won and the biggest challenges are overcome if only you back yourself. The moment you start moving into negative belief system territory, you become your own enemy.

Perhaps the greatest challenge you face in this last stretch of preparation is to keep yourself on your side. Keep the faith, keep the belief going and fight till the last moment. Your battle for CAT gets over when the answer sheet is pulled out of your hand.
— The writer is an alumnus of IIM Bangalore, a nationally renowned CAT trainer and the author of a series of bestselling books published by Tata McGraw Hill on CAT and other aptitude exams.

[raghav507]

hi puys,
sach main yeh thread kuch thanda sa pad gya hai yaar...
kuch activity toh show karo...
ya fir sab ke sab chutti le ke bhaag gaye hain (meri tarah)...

anyways, sorry for the long delay...here's the next article(october 6, 2008 - monday) in the Arun Sharma series...

THERE’S STILL SCOPE FOR IMPROVEMENT

AS THE D-DAY APPROACHES,CAT ASPIRANTS SHOULD FOCUS ON ADDRESSING AREAS THAT HAVE A PAY-OFF WITHIN ONE MONTH.ARUN SHARMA TELLS YOU HOW YOU CAN UTILIZE THE TIME LEFT TO EFFECTIVELY IMPROVE YOUR CHANCES AT CAT 2008


THE last month of preparations is here and the focus has now shifted to applying finishing touches to one's preparation. Most aspirants would have already settled into their comfortable percentile ranges and would be quite resigned to whatever percentiles they are receiving. However, even at this stage, our firm belief remains that you can utilize the time left to effectively improve your chances at CAT 2008.

Remember, what you need to focus on now is to do the best you can — let the results take care of themselves. So obviously, the moot questions coming out of most students would be: What should I do at this stage of my preparations and how can I utilise my last month to maximise possible benefit?

The main thing to understand at this stage is that whatever you are trying to do, focus on things that have a pay-off within one month of work. In today's article we would try to focus on some processes for Quantitative Aptitude (QA). Following are the objectives you should focus on:

OBJECTIVES FOR QA
Get really good at what you know and know what they are going to mostly ask you. Hence, get really good at what they are mostly going to ask you.
What do we mean by this? A close analysis of past trends of the CAT shows that there is great emphasis on Block I and Block V chapters in QA (as defined earlier in this series). Just to remind those of you who have not followed this series — Block I consists of the chapters of Number Systems and Progressions. Block V consists of the chapters of Functions, Inequalities, Logs and Quadratic Equations.

A close look at past papers of CAT would make you realise that every year without fail between 60-85% of the test paper has been on Block I and Block V. This comes at a time when the qualifying score in quants has hovered around 25% to 30%. These two blocks alone account for almost double of what you need to get to qualify in the quants section of the exam, year after year. While CAT 2005 had around 19 questions out of 30, CAT 2006 had 18 out of 25 and CAT 2007 had 19 out of 25 from these blocks of chapters.
And hence, CAT 2008 should be no different. This gives us objective I in QA preparation.

Objective I: Thoroughly review all concepts and, more importantly, go through the maximum number of questions that you can go through in these blocks. Try to reach a point where you know practically every question and/or every logic that can be thrown up in a question from these blocks. Also, make sure you revise each and every question from these blocks. We are assuming here that most of you must have already done a lot of work on these chapters.
Solve 25 questions daily from these chapters combined, and review at least 40-50 questions that you have already solved from these chapters earlier. While reviewing, just try to recollect or think about the thought process required to solve the question. One good idea might be to collect the mock test papers of a few institutes and solve them for these chapters. In 30 days you can cover over 750 new questions and review over 1,200 questions — numbers that should be sufficient to put you in a confident state of mind for the D-Day.

Objective II: Create a solid back up plan. Whenever, the CAT has deviated from the model of the over 70% of the test coming out of the chapters mentioned above, the deviation has been mostly towards:
A) Geometry and Mensuration B) Time Speed and Distance, and/or C) Permutations and Combinations and Probability These three areas are crucial also because of the fact that questions from these chapters have always been a constant presence in the CAT — check the CAT papers over the past 10 years and you would realize the truth of our statement. So, as a contingency plan, especially if you are already well-prepared on the main portions mentioned above. Focus on Geometry and Mensuration and Time Speed and Distance. If you feel comfortable with Permutations and Combinations and Probability then you could perhaps prepare that area too. But, try to do at least two of the three areas mentioned here for a superior contingency plan.

Objective III: Improve your calculations. This is another thing that can be significantly enhanced in the last month. Your focus should be on two digit calculations — additions, percentage calculations and ratio comparisons. In our next article, we will look at some short-term processes for developing your scores in language and data interpretation and reasoning skills.

(The writer is an alumnus of IIM-Bangalore, a nationally renowned CAT trainer and the author of a series of books published by Tata McGraw Hill on CAT and other aptitude exams)

[soumyadut]

My strategy---------strengthen your strengths more than mending your weakness.Attempt very high in VA/RC and average in QA and DI/LR,coz u can be sure about QA and DI/LR but u can only seem to know about VA/RC.Lastly analyze the mocks very well and ekdam bindaas rehne ka on 16th

[raghav507]

hi puys,
a very good morning to you all...
here's the new article from Arun Sharma...

‘Reduce the importance of CAT in your life’

IN THE LAST MONTH OF PREPARATION TIME,MAKING THE CAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN YOUR LIFE MIGHT BE COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. ARUN SHARMA TELLS YOU HOW KEEPING THE 'BIGGER' PICTURE IN SIGHT CAN HELP YOU GIVE THE EXAM YOUR BEST SHOT


AS you enter the last month of preparation time, there are a few key issues we would like you to address. Believe it or not, but you need to reduce the importance of the CAT in your life.

While this may seem ironical but you will have to do it if you want to give yourself the best chance of performing at the optimum on the day of the CAT. Making CAT the most important thing in your life might be counter-productive for you at this stage. The reason is not too difficult to understand — being the kind of exam it is, you would require to give yourself the maximum freedom of thought while writing the test — and this would not happen in case CAT is the most important thing in your life.

You do not want to take the exam with unnecessary pressure on you. So, the idea is that you need to reduce the pressure on yourself. Our only contention is that if you are free from unnecessarily negative thoughts, you might end up doing the best you can. Thus, reducing the importance of cracking the CAT at this stage of your preparations will ironically give you your best chance to bell the CAT.

So your obvious question would be: "How can I go about reducing the importance of the CAT at this stage?" A few suggestions for the same:

1. Create a back up plan for the year if you do not get through. One of the ways to reduce pressure on yourself is to give yourself a two to three year time frame for entering a B-school. Once you do so, you would realize you have at least three attempts at the exam and hence, the exam on November 16, 2008, need not be your only chance. However, if you have this kind of plan for yourself, then you need to actually have thought about how you are going to concretely use your time in the two to three year t i m e f r a m e. Create a plan of a u g m e n t i n g your bio-data by working full time/part-time, doing additional p ro f e s s i o n a l courses, learning a few languages and in general raising the level of 'education' in your life. Education beyond degrees — through the pursuit of knowledge is what we mean to say.

2. Realize for a fact that the IIMs are not the only way to succeed in your life. Even if you do an MBA from a second-level B-school you will still get enough opportunities to make it big. So, you need to realize that the IIMs do not hold a kind of exclusive key to success. Tell yourself that even if you do not do well in the exam, and are forced to join a relatively lower branded institution, you still would be excited about who you are and what you could achieve in your life. If you do not make it to the top through the hypotenuse of a right-angled triangle, you still have the two legs through which you can reach the same destination. Remember, the long-term goal is to reach the top of the corporate ladder and as long as you can reach there, it does not matter what credentials you have picked up in the form of you management education.

3. Create a long-term plan. Another way to think about this situation is that in case you are forced to go to a second level B-school in the short-run, then you can still plan to go to a top international B-school after five to seven years of working. There is also an executive MBA from a top B-school. Once you have a professional profile on your bio data, you can always think of this option. This thinking is especially crucial for first timers. A lot of you out there have profiles that are not good enough to break in the doors of the IIMs in your first attempt. So, in case you do not have that coveted IIT or university-topper tag of the finest Indian universities, then you can always build your profile over the next five to seven years. After that your profile would be equivalent to the best people around.

4. Reduce expectations of people around you. If you cannot, then stop taking these expectations to your heart. Start living your life for yourself. Many of aspirants we know are giving the exam in order to prove themselves in someone Else's eyes. This person could be your father, mother, brother, grandfather, uncle etc. Stop living for them and start living for yourself. One of the truths of life is that if you can start meeting your own expectations from yourself, all external expectations will also be met.

Other things that you need to do now:
I) Take your preparation to the stage of perfection — stop studying fresh portions, focus on concreting your learning
II) Create a concrete work strategy for the last month and follow it religiously
More on these issues in our next article in the series.
(The writer is an alumnus of IIM Bangalore, a nationally renowned CAT trainer and the author of a series of books published by Tata McGraw Hill on CAT and other aptitude exams)

[ishu8055]

Hello puys:rockon:
anyone of you giving Bulls Eye mocks??

[veenu_spoof]

hi aspirants
did neeone receive their admit card till date
i suppose we r to get it in the second week of oct

[fitnessfad]

Hello puys:rockon:
anyone of you giving Bulls Eye mocks?



ya i am....

[raghav507]

Originally Posted by ishu8055

Hello puys:rockon:
anyone of you giving Bulls Eye mocks??

hi ishu,
as far as i know, Bulls Eye is quite a small institute as compared to the majors like CL, TIME, IMS...
also it has presence in Chandigarh region, predominantly...
so that's why you won't find many people taking their mocks...