[Greenspan]

Originally Posted by adisehgal

Ohh god..
It took me an hour of complex calculations.. But I really wanted to help you.. You require 99.99 overall, 97.55 in English, 98.46 in DI and 99.33 in Maths.. All the best !!

If you actually got there, you must be an expert in DI. Unless you actually wrote that as sarcasm, or fun.

May I note something here friends? I agree I have been very active on this thread here. But I guess we are better off preparing for our CAT than analyze the stuff here. As profootball25 and anarchy mentioned, veterans that they are, they talked a lot of sense. We should get our priorities straight. Wish you all the best.

[adisehgal]

Originally Posted by Greenspan

If you actually got there, you must be an expert in DI. Unless you actually wrote that as sarcasm, or fun.

Isnt it obvious ?? :P

[DestinationIIMs]

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Originally Posted by cat_a_gal

DestinationIIMs - you are frauding all the way. Let me point out:

1) There is no standard grading for quality of work like TCS =IBM as you say. It is the assesment of the interview panel.

Suppose mr X worked for Infosys for 10 months and Mr Y worked for IBM for 11 months . Is it possible to prove that grade/point which they will get for quality of work will be same ?
Answer is NO .
What we can do at this stage is that we can speculate or analyse.
Now is the work which Mr X and Y did in their office was different ?
Not really. Its almost same .Just coding .How can it be different. But
suppose if a person is working as project manager or as general manager in Infosys
and other person was working as call center staff in IBM Daksh . will the marks/grade for quality of work will be different ?
Yes.
when I said that marks/grade for quality of work for people working in Infosys/Wipro/TCS/IBM/Accenture/Satyam will be there unstated assumption was that their profiles are same. They do similar work.
One possible case can be person working in Infosys is writing some code which will help HSBC while person working in Wipro is writing code for HDFC bank and person working in IBM is writing for Bank of Scotland and person working in Accenture is doing the same thing for Citi Bank .
It was also assumed that all of them think that their work sucks .
Now under these conditions do you really think that grade or marks for these people will be different ?
Why should it be different ?
Also are you saying that IBM is much better than TCS ??

2) There is no function for 10th and XII board marks - it is standardised as per the formula given.

It can be like this :
score for Xth board marks = standerdised value obtained * 1
this is exactly what you are saying.
This is a function and a formulae also. Whats problem with that.
We can consider this as one possibility since nothing has been said about this function.
This means this is a linear function which is very unlikely.
Since noone knows about this anything if you want you can assume that its linear function and I can assume that its exponantial function without any loss of generality.

But there does exist a function

Now suppose a person Mr Z has got 30 % marks in 10th board examination (ICSE) and 100 % score in all other remaining section each
So obviously he will qualify but how many points do you think he will het for 10th board exam out of 15 ??Is it nonzero ???
very unlikely. Most probably he will get zero marks out of 15 .

3) There is no function for CAT score - it is standardised as per the formula given.

As I said earlier there does exist a function always.
Now here question is whether is linear or nonliear ?
I think its nonlinear thats y most of the people are from 98-100 percentile range. If this is not the case then person with percentile like 96-97 should convert their call often which is not the case.
How can anyone even imagine that its a linear function.
Its very strange.

4) Only CA is special qualification for IIM Banglore and IITians do not get any extra points nor are their points for grad marks calculated through different function. They show IITians in student profile seperately from engineers for placement impact I suppose.

At IIMB function is not different nor there is some extra points but I was saying that most probably this is the case at IIMC.
Not only that IITians should get some extra marks.:neutral:
No of people who score more than 90 % in 1o board exam : 28187
No of people who clear IITJEE every year just 3500

Remember any IITians there must have done well in 10th 12th and in IIT.

not really :neutral:

5) Highest score obtained by someone in CAT score cannot be 20 as it is the raw score and not percentile. No one gets full marks in CAT.

think about it soon you will realize that its true.
or if you are taking some coaching then talk to faculty member there
they will explain you.
Now suppose Mr A has got 230/300 in CAT 2006
all other students have got less than 225.
Now suppose no. of points scored by Mr A in CAT score section is x points its given that weightage for CAT score is 20 points.
whats value of x ?
Obviously its 20 .

6) Highest score can be 20 in PI if both interviewing faculty give max scores - this will remain so even after standardisation.

yeah it will always be 20 as max points scored.
I was also saying the same thing.
I have seen this kind of situation several times.

7) You say its very difficult to get full marks in PI or in GD/GD summery. Not only that rarely people get 7.5 in GD summery like 2-3 students every year - as if they told you so. lol

whenever you write "lol" try to write this way ':'lol':'
this will make sure that its more visible and appear nice.
Now suppose someone ask you to make a realistic guess for highest markes scored in PI section if its given that PI was evaluated out of 20 points
So whats solution of this problem ?
Is there any data available for IIM PI results ?
unfortunately answer is no.
Any other similar exam ?
Yes. Its UPSC and there are several others about which I dont know.May be AFMC also.

Now consider this No of condidates who get interview call every year in UPSC IAS exam around 1300.
Total marks for PI = 300
Person who get rank 1 in exam over gets aorund 240-260 marks its story of almost every year.
Highest marks rarely goes above 270.
No of people who have appeared for interview in last 5 year = 6500
No of people who have got 285-295/300 may be in single digit
reason every year even rank 1 gets 240-260
You can see their PI marks in different magzine like pratiyogita darpan.

Same thing holds true for GD also.
Not only that faculty of different coaching will be able to tell you about this with more certainity.

Now about GD summery

Here you will have to assume that GD summery is like essay writing.
Now, what is highest marks so far you have got in your life in essay ??
You must have written different essay in 1oth/12th exam or may be even in grad .
I am sure its different from 20/20.
Now have you heard about someone who has got 20/20 in written essay exam ?
do you know someone personally who have got 20/20 in written essay exam may be in class test /group test
I am sure its NO.
So far in life if you have not seen this than its very rare that you will see it .
Ask some faculty member who is professor in university if they have given full marks (19-20/20) in their life time
Most probably they will say NO or he can count those cases on his fingers.
these are reasons that I believe that getting full marks in PI/GD/GD summery is very difficult

[sarsij]

hi all,

Soon after this criteria document was released, we all started discussions on the same. We are all trying to cry over the spilled milk.....why so?
Whats the point in arguing and frustrating yourself over the fact that IIMB is giving importance to 10th marks or 12th marks......now whatever is written on our score-cards will continue to remain the same. Why discuss the negative and positive points related to it?
Also, there was some hot discussion regarding the fact that company X's work-ex is more fulfilling that Company Y !!! why such a discussion at all dude?

Anyway, I was going through all the thread and felt like posting.

Before I end this post, I would like to add that This is just the IIM-B criteria and not all the IIMs criteria (if IIMs are the only place you are looking for), else there are several other colleges which will have some different selection procedure.
Also, I feel that this is once again an attempt from IIMs to create some fuss regarding the whole process (last year it was the duration of the exam which created a lot of confusion, but later it turned out to be the same exam with increased time duration), so friends instead of getting bogged-down with the details of the document, better thing to do would be to keep concentrating on the CAT and other MBA exams.

Hope my post is of some use to all of you.

[pavanpadekal]

does anyone have the document iimb released sometime back w.r.t. the average/mean values of all applicants and selected candidates?

[sarsij]

Lets leave all such analysis to be done by the coaching institutes and other media persons.......having one more document on the selection criteria/analysis will only add more to the present chaos........
So I would suggest that even if there is one such docement, then please do not make it public...........it will actually not help in preparing for CAT 2007.

Originally Posted by pavanpadekal

does anyone have the document iimb released sometime back w.r.t. the average/mean values of all applicants and selected candidates?

[bobbybond]

Is a once a year xam like CAT good enuf to determine your ability as an consistent achiever?

At least from my point of view, IIMB is giving almost equal weightages to all points of your life where you had the chance to prove yourself. And those lone B call getters would be more than happy to have been given that chance by IIMB inspite of having a slightly lesser percentile. Cauz B feels that it need not give 'that' much importance to your CAT score.

My rationale of why there's relatively lesser weightage given to CAT & 12th when compared to 10th and UG ... is cauz almost everyone would have had some sort of training or the other while preparing for these exams (12th n CAT). On the other hand during ur 10th and undergrad, you would have had relatively lesser coaching by external institutes. AFAIK only a very minute percentage of the population go for external coaching during undergrad. Ur marks in undergrad is more like an indicator of how motivated or focussed you can be 'if there was no one to push u'...'over a period of 3/4 years'... True that there could be cases where people have got a bit low in acads because of extra-currics...but then not everyone goes down in acads just because of extra-currics. There are cases where students toil day and night for engineering entrance, get into a good college and then 'chill out' since they would anyway get placed in a pretty decent place. The true test of motivation comes if you are willing to fight it out in each of those undergrad sems and maintain a good percentage.

Other IIMs would have a similar criteria with lesser weightage for acads.. but comon' wots the point if all IIMs were just basing selection based on just CAT and with the same weightages? those lucky few who manage to have a lucky day on CAT day would have bagged all the goodies... but should ur admission be just based on such a factor?

What do I feel about IIMB after being here for a year?...
You go around the nation, picking up all the 9 pointers of IITs, BITS, NITs, and other universities.... courier them to this place called IIMB and then say 'fight'! Now lets see who's the topper among the toppers . And obviously since everyone is going to be fit onto a normal curve at the end of the day, u can imagine the consequences!

So as long as B's 'past acad' focussed, it gonna be a tough time for anyone who's not acad focussed to survive at B!

Remember, getting into an IIM is not the end of the journey, surviving though it is ... !

[sarsij]

This post could have been composed only by a IIM-B student. Needless to say this post says a lot about the need for such a criteria.....
This was really a 360 degrees view of the whole situation.

Originally Posted by bobbybond

Is a once a year xam like CAT good enuf to determine your ability as an consistent achiever?

At least from my point of view, IIMB is giving almost equal weightages to all points of your life where you had the chance to prove yourself. And those lone B call getters would be more than happy to have been given that chance by IIMB inspite of having a slightly lesser percentile. Cauz B feels that it need not give 'that' much importance to your CAT score.

My rationale of why there's relatively lesser weightage given to CAT & 12th when compared to 10th and UG ... is cauz almost everyone would have had some sort of training or the other while preparing for these exams (12th n CAT). On the other hand during ur 10th and undergrad, you would have had relatively lesser coaching by external institutes. AFAIK only a very minute percentage of the population go for external coaching during undergrad. Ur marks in undergrad is more like an indicator of how motivated or focussed you can be 'if there was no one to push u'...'over a period of 3/4 years'... True that there could be cases where people have got a bit low in acads because of extra-currics...but then not everyone goes down in acads just because of extra-currics. There are cases where students toil day and night for engineering entrance, get into a good college and then 'chill out' since they would anyway get placed in a pretty decent place. The true test of motivation comes if you are willing to fight it out in each of those undergrad sems and maintain a good percentage.

Other IIMs would have a similar criteria with lesser weightage for acads.. but comon' wots the point if all IIMs were just basing selection based on just CAT and with the same weightages? those lucky few who manage to have a lucky day on CAT day would have bagged all the goodies... but should ur admission be just based on such a factor?

What do I feel about IIMB after being here for a year?...
You go around the nation, picking up all the 9 pointers of IITs, BITS, NITs, and other universities.... courier them to this place called IIMB and then say 'fight'! Now lets see who's the topper among the toppers . And obviously since everyone is going to be fit onto a normal curve at the end of the day, u can imagine the consequences!

So as long as B's 'past acad' focussed, it gonna be a tough time for anyone who's not acad focussed to survive at B!

Remember, getting into an IIM is not the end of the journey, surviving though it is ... !

[cat_a_gal]

It will be fun if IIMA and IIMC came out with their weights on RTI and we found that there is no weight at all for CAT once you are called for GDPI. Random weights are only for GD, PI, 10th, 12th, grad, post-grad, work experience. Then we will again start debating why so high a weight for GD!

[contender]

Is a once a year xam like CAT good enuf to determine your ability as an consistent achiever?

Even i agree it is not but then i do beleive that as the person grows, age wise, he becomes mature and thus is in a better position to know what exactly is 'Right' for him. Back in 10th I , am not generalising this, prepared for board exams for two reasons 1) Parents expectations, not mine. 2) Cricket - good papers more freedom in summer holidays. .. When it came to 12th i was a bit more focused bcoz now i was aware of the competetion outside and hence prepared accordingly .. and u all know that when it comes to cracking IIT-JEE then nobody does it better then Bihari's.. but do you really think if they have good acads ?? the ans is 'NO' most of them have sub standard acads .. just to quote an eg here .. a frnd of mine, he is from Ranchi, had 56% in 12th but guess wat he is a University rank holder ..

So i dont really think if surviving at B-School would not be possible .. it would be difficult .. but then i guess it is difficult for everybody as the stakes are too high for everybody

Now i dont intend to say that no weightage should be given to 10 and 12th acads.. but all i am saying is 25% is a bit too much .. Infact i dont think even CAT should be given 25% .. I think it should be 15% for 10 & 12 .. 10% to ur extra currics .. considering them right from the school level( i have none though, apart from some in sports) .. 10% to work-ex is a bit low( not bcoz i will have 36 months of workex by end of Aug) as i beleive the kind of work one has done and the kind of activities one has got involved in at his workplace is something that he/she would carry further ..

Following are the reasons that governed my openion:
1) 10-12-Grad marks -> One has to be a bit studious to clear the papers ..so it makes sense to consider these as the parameter ..
2) Extra-currics -> shows how far u have gone from the league and in which direction .. shows 1)how bold u were(performing on stage is not an easy job, be it in a quiz or play or etc) 2)what kind of responsibilities u took 3)ur areas of interest ....etc etc ...

and i believe rest of the parameters are self-explanatory ..

Remember, getting into an IIM is not the end of the journey, surviving though it is ...

No doubt !!

Good luck for your MBA career

Regards,
Contender