[ajithprasadb]

On a different note, 10th,12th,Btech, u cannot change.. But there is an important piece of info in the PDF.. Once u clear the cutoffs, its the overall that matters.. i.e, a person having 99.7 overall with a breakup of 99.9 , 88, 89 will be rated higher than a person having 99.5 overall with 95,95,95 as breakups.. Isnt it ? ..

So, doesnt that mean for a person having stellar academics ( read 90 + in 10th,12th , 80+ in btech ) , it would be worthwhile to clear sectional cut-offs and then maximize so that the IIMB call will be definitely there..

And on the other hand, for a person having bad acads, it might be better to try for a balanced split section score and aim primarily for IIMA / IIMC ..
-- Food for thought for CAT-strategists ..

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Ajith

[cat_a_gal]

I dont know why so many of you are saying that your chances are less now at IIMB. Lets say 200,000 gave the CAT 2007

IIMA wants only 800 for GDPI so CAT cut off is 99 %ile overall (gives 2000) with cuts at 96%ile in all sections (gives 800 shortlist for GDPI)

IIMC wants only 1500 for GDPI so CAT cut off is 98%ile overall (gives 4000) with 95%ile in quant, 95%ile in DI and 90%ile in Verbal (gives 1500 shortlist for GDPI)

IIMB wants 1000 for GDPI. CAT cutoff is 90% overall (gives 20000) with 85% section wise (gives 16000). From this 16000 anyone who has done better than 15000 others in the 10th and 12th and graduation and has work ex will move up the ranks to the top 1000 taking places from those who did well in the CAT alone. This means more people (16000) have a fighting chance in getting GDPI at IIMB - your past acads need not be topper class - it just has to be better that the 15000 others who made the first cut.

Also if you do get GDPI call from IIMB you are already 66% there and the rest 33% is all in the GDPI. In IIMA and IIMC it is still bhagwan jane milega ki nahi - even if you did super in GDPI so many unknowns still remain!

Infact someone with a topper academic record so far can simply sit for CAT with limited preparation - enough to meet the lower IIMB cutoffs and will still get GDPI.

[Greenspan]

Originally Posted by cat_a_gal

IIMB wants 1000 for GDPI. CAT cutoff is 90% overall (gives 20000) with 85% section wise (gives 16000). From this 16000 anyone who has done better than 15000 others in the 10th and 12th and graduation and has work ex will move up the ranks to the top 1000 taking places from those who did well in the CAT alone. This means more people (16000) have a fighting chance in getting GDPI at IIMB - your past acads need not be topper class - it just has to be better that the 15000 others who made the first cut. (emphasis mine)

I am sure all those who have had excellent acads, will definitely make it in the top 15000. And then its only their marks which will carry them to the top of the list, overtaking, all those who probably might have lost direction for a few years, but gave in their best for a few months or years, practically breathed CAT all the way, and rose upto that one supreme moment of achievement, that many toppers might dread and could not achieve. Is there any relief, in such a process, for those who realized their mistakes late, and want to wipe their slate clean. And if the toppers were indeed toppers, should they not top CAT again? After all it is just one more test.

I do not have anything against toppers, coz my records say that I have been one myself. But I would rather be tested against lakhs in a free and fair process, where my past laurels be used to improve myself to face the exam, rather than get a bye to side-glance others. But then thats my opinion and not those of the IIMB patrons. And that is why I write CAT year after year, with no hopes diminished. And if my will and brains have it, I shall make it. Not my marks.

Originally Posted by cat_a_gal

Also if you do get GDPI call from IIMB you are already 66% there and the rest 33% is all in the GDPI. In IIMA and IIMC it is still bhagwan jane milega ki nahi - even if you did super in GDPI so many unknowns still remain!

I would not applaud IIMB for disclosing their details because they were forced to. The best way to take it, is if THEY want you, they will get you. That leaves only you to show your best to them, and leave the rest to them to decide.

Originally Posted by cat_a_gal

Infact someone with a topper academic record so far can simply sit for CAT with limited preparation - enough to meet the lower IIMB cutoffs and will still get GDPI.

Exactly what I do not approve of, if I was the arbiter. But then I am not.

Sorry for ranting out here, but one mystery that always eluded me, has been cleared. All the academic toppers from my college always made it into IIMB(many a times with a lone B call) and IIMA(which I am sure will have similar criteria). It were those whom I really thought of and called (street-)smart people but with low acads, who made it into the other IIMs. But I m sure exceptions exist to the rule, but they will be a countable few

[reachmonil]

Scene: Kid preparing for SSC board exams.
Mother to the kid: "Abhi achhi tarah padho, tab jaake IIMB milega".


C'mon.... to me, it's really a stupid split of weightages. Okies, consider my profile:
10th - 82.80 (CBSE Gulf Board, for sure above the 95th percentile)
Diploma - 86.xx (10th State Rank holder)
Degree - 64.xx (I lost it completely? ) :eh:

During degree, I was also managing my first start-up. 3.5 years of entrepreneurial experience. But heck, why didn't I mug up all those hours for IIMB coz they don't have a field where I can project my experience?! Heck!

[DestinationIIMs]

Analysis of selection process and Some questions

1.) I was pretty much sure that its point based evaluation method
One example : QUT | BGSB | Entry Requirements - 2008
Reason : its not possible to go through data of 2 lakhs students

2.) At IIMA,C,K,L and I weightage for different terms as follows :
(a)CAT = 20 – x , (b) 10th board =15 – y , (c) 12th board =10 – z , (d) Bachelors = 15 – t , (e) Work experience = 10 - u (f) Gd = 7.5 – a ,
(g) PI= 20 – b, (h) Other parameters(like IITian, AIIMS, CA, GD summery ) = 7.5 – x. Where x, y, z, a, b, c, t are algebraic quantity.
Now question is which one gets ignored till GDPI stage?
For example in case of IIM Calcutta value of y ,z , t,u are 15,10,15 and 10 respectively.
This info is given on page no. 46 of Prospectus.
Exact values of x,y,z …. for other IIMs are not known till now.

(3.) About work experience

There is grading for quality of work . This means points for this will be exactly same whether you work for infosys or wipro or TCS or IBM or Accenture . that is if you are working in Infosys and have got score “2” as quality of service then person working in IBM will also get score “2” as quality of service.

(4.) Most probably there is no negative point. Now suppose your score in CAT , work exp ,
XII board is very good but marks in X board is just 33 % even then you can qualify provided you clear overall cutoff.

5.) Function for 10th and XII board marks : Just like work experience there is clearly defined
Function. It may be continous may be discontinous but non-negative. It is not a linear function most probably. Its value is zero below a certain cutoff .

6.) Function for CAT score : As some people are saying that its now better to clear cutoff and maximize score . Its not a very good strategy since you don’t know Cat score function.
But its clear that its non negative function .Its value become zero (or a certain positive no.)
Its strictly non linear function.

7.) Certi, social work , foreign work/internship J gets point in PI. Its still important. Not only that
overall profile will always important.

8.) Normalization of X/XII marks is done in all IIMS although process may be different. Otherwise if they treat 7.3 at IITB and 7.3 at bapuji institute of technolgy its their loss.
Here(QUT | BGSB | Entry Requirements - 2008) its clearly written that “GPAs from universities that are known to award generally higher or lower grade distributions will be taken into consideration” . At IIMs and other good institutes process is same although its not stated explicitly.

8.) Just like CA is special qualification for IIM Banglore IITian gets some extra points or theirs
points for Grad marks is calculated through different function at IIMC. Otherwise why will they show IITians in student profile seperately from engineers.

9.) there is standardization of PI GD and GD summery marks between different faculty groups.
So even if your PI was taken by a bad/strict faculty member there is still some chance of improvement in your PI marks.

10 .) Highest score obtained by someone in CAT score is almost 20 but highest score obtained by someone in PI is like 14-16. Its very difficult to get full marks in PI or in GD/GD summery.
Not only that rarely people get 7.5 in GD summery like 2-3 students every year.

Now questions :

1.)Can someone please explain exact procedure of standardization for Xth , XIIth and grad marks ?

2.)GDPI offer is based on X , XII , grad marks, Work ex and CAT score . All of these works are pretty much mechanical , then why did they put a cutoff of 50% for writing CAT ?

3.)Why do other IIMs think that they will not be forced to tell values of x, y, z,…. and different functions if someone files RTI case against them. Whole process and system is so symmetrical.

4.)How do they exactly they arrive at different values like CAT score weightage = 20 Points ?

[munnu_007]

hi i m saurabh here.my profile as
10- 85.2%
12- 90.66%
B.E.- 71.53%
work ex.- 7months in ABG
how many score i required in CAT as well as individual sections to get call from IIMB.

[cat_a_gal]

DestinationIIMs: Please do not fraud here. No such thing as you say is stated in page 46 of prospectus. IIMA and IIMC shortlist for GDPI only on CAT. What QUT does is not relevant - who cares about QUT anyway!

[DestinationIIMs]

Originally Posted by cat_a_gal

DestinationIIMs: Please do not fraud here. No such thing as you say is stated in page 46 of prospectus. IIMA and IIMC shortlist for GDPI only on CAT. What QUT does is not relevant - who cares about QUT anyway!

2.) At IIMA,C,K,L and I weightage for different terms as follows :
(a) CAT = 20 – x ,
(b) 10th board =15 – y ,
(c) 12th board =10 – z ,
(d) Bachelors = 15 – t ,
(e) Work experience = 10 - u
(f) Gd = 7.5 – a ,
(g) PI= 20 – b,
(h) Other parameters(like IITian, AIIMS, CA, GD summery ) = 7.5 – x.

Where x, y, z, a, b, c, t are algebraic quantity.
Now question is which one gets ignored till GDPI stage?
For example in case of IIM Calcutta value of y ,z , t,u are 15,10,15 and 10 respectively.
This info is given on page no. 46 of Prospectus.
Exact values of x,y,z …. Are not known till now.

when y = 15
weightage given to 10th board mark = 15 - y = 0
that is whatever is score it does not matter for GDPI shortlist
similar is the case for z, t, and u also.

[cat_a_gal]

DestinationIIMs - you are frauding all the way. Let me point out:

1) There is no standard grading for quality of work like TCS =IBM as you say. It is the assesment of the interview panel.

2) There is no function for 10th and XII board marks - it is standardised as per the formula given.

3) There is no function for CAT score - it is standardised as per the formula given.

4) Only CA is special qualification for IIM Banglore and IITians do not get any extra points nor are their points for grad marks calculated through different function. They show IITians in student profile seperately from engineers for placement impact I suppose. Remember any IITians there must have done well in 10th 12th and in IIT.

5) Highest score obtained by someone in CAT score cannot be 20 as it is the raw score and not percentile. No one gets full marks in CAT.

6) Highest score can be 20 in PI if both interviewing faculty give max scores - this will remain so even after standardisation.

7) You say its very difficult to get full marks in PI or in GD/GD summery. Not only that rarely people get 7.5 in GD summery like 2-3 students every year - as if they told you so. lol

[adisehgal]

Originally Posted by munnu_007

hi i m saurabh here.my profile as
10- 85.2%
12- 90.66%
B.E.- 71.53%
work ex.- 7months in ABG
how many score i required in CAT as well as individual sections to get call from IIMB.

Ohh god..
It took me an hour of complex calculations.. But I really wanted to help you.. You require 99.99 overall, 97.55 in English, 98.46 in DI and 99.33 in Maths.. All the best !!