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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 11:30 AM

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No - this is infact seems an interesting way to get some more diversity. The 90th %ile of all univs are put on par and those with higher scores than the 90th %ile get a multiplier. It does not matter what the 90th %ile of that university population actually was. While many IITians and NITians will anyway get in cause they may have a good record in 10th and 12th - the IIT or NIT does not give them any added advantage. Other univ grads even from small univs have an equal chance if they are among the top applicants in their univ. On the other hand a bottom ranking IIT or NIT grad is out. Thats fine!
Err .. i think you misunderstood me
I ll try and explain it again ...

1st - leave IIT's and NIT's out of this. Y? If you take a look at your CAT form there is an option of University Code, where IIT's and NIT's have a different code. I dont think i need to say why this difference in code exists.
So doesnt matter what GPA you have in these institutions, the fact that you did your grad from there itself earns you brownie points.
The same goes forward in your summers shortlisting as well.

2nd - I think i need to explain the normalization funda again.
See, all we seek as applicants is proper understanding by the institute of what our university is all about. Normalisation should seek to rate your score with the 90th %ile or Topper of your university in that Branch in that year. Only then can you compare the marks of a B.E(CSE) from Mumbai Univ. who passed out in 2005 to a B.E.(Mech) from Delhi Univ who passed out in 2002.
If you go along these lines, you will see that even a 7 pointer from any IIT for that matter will get a less grade ( b coz he will be compared against his peers in the same batch ). But this doesnt matter much b coz as i said before, they earn brownie points anyway.

The problem with transparency is, it should be absolute, or it shdnt be at all. Why havent these details been given:
1) How many marks for IIT/NIT guys ( if any )
2) Min cut off for CAT, but no Min for 10th , 12th, graduation ?

Anyway, the process will always be debated, as prahalad said. Fair enough, the more you try to please ppl, the more they demand .

cat_a_gal - i have nothing against IIM B .. All the IIM's rock .. else i wdnt be in 1 would I . Its just that, even we students feel strongly about these things coz we too were appplicants at a time and know how it is. The selection criteria is not a problem for me, each college has their own..
What i just wanted to comment on was that, sometimes transparency and subjectivity do not go hand in hand. GMAT applicants love that fact, that there are ppl who get converts on diverse profiles and not just academics or the exam score.

As already mentioned before .. dont let these issues divert your mind from main exam.
Give it your best and the results will follow.

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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 11:54 AM

Lemme put this from an aspirant's perspective -

The moot point is whether Great muggers make great managers? We all know the pitfalls of Indian educational system - excessive stress on mugging stuff ... the IITJEE-perhaps the toughest exam in the world- has been reduced to a mug-a-thon by institutes in a certain part of the great state called Rajasthan. Every state board exam can be cleared with good percentage by joining appropriate classes. CBSE /ISCE people get much more marks percentage wise than a state board SSC guy -- I know this for sure in Maharashtra board atleast. To counter all this the elite institutions of the country had come up with one exam called CAT which will bring out the best in a person as far as managing time in 3 sections and getting a balanced and high percentile is concerned.

Tell me how is a guy from lower-middle income group families expected to get the same percentages as a guy with hi-fi fundu classes and private tutors that are springing around like mushrooms for every freaking exam?For such a person there is only one shot at getting top class education - cracking CAT.But the great minds at IIMB give 15 pc weight to this exam given by 2 lac students .I must say this is unfair and unfair by a long way. I would go to the extent of saying that IIMB is trying to become an elitist institute over here by reducing the weightage for CAT.

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CAT might be a cruel exam - but then its cruel on everyone ...That doesn't mean reducing weight for CAT is the way out. CAT weightage has to be atleast 50% ... After all performing on the day matters a lot in real life as well. No champion in any sphere of life has every become a champion without delivering the goods when it matters the most and performing under tremendous stress during crunch situations , then why should the IIMs be any different?
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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 03:27 PM

Extremely detailed criteria. There must have been a lot of effort and thought put into creating such a complex entry procedure. I know the whole "elitism" debate will arise again, but I have personally believed that it is not the job of IIMs to provide equal opportunity and to be truly world class they need to be elitist. Afterall Ivy league B schools are nothing if not elitist.

It is pretty amazing how B works within the CAT system and yet manages to use the profile at whatever level of detail to break free of the shackles it sets. Creative and effective. Quite the way to go.


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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 03:54 PM



For me its end of the road

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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 06:15 PM

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1st - leave IIT's and NIT's out of this. Y? If you take a look at your CAT form there is an option of University Code, where IIT's and NIT's have a different code. I dont think i need to say why this difference in code exists.
So doesnt matter what GPA you have in these institutions, the fact that you did your grad from there itself earns you brownie points.
The same goes forward in your summers shortlisting as well.

The problem with transparency is, it should be absolute, or it shdnt be at all. Why havent these details been given:
1) How many marks for IIT/NIT guys ( if any )
2) Min cut off for CAT, but no Min for 10th , 12th, graduation ?
Since the CAT is common to all IIMs maybe some other IIM is giving brownie points to IIT and NIT grads - it is clear from the pdf that IIMB certainly does not do so. Therefore no extra marks for NIT or IIT grads.

Also there cannot be a minimum for 10th and 12th specified by IIMB as then these will then have be stated as minimum eligibility criteria to apply to IIMB since these scores are known at the time of application. :neutral:

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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 06:26 PM

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Lemme put this from an aspirant's perspective -

The moot point is whether Great muggers make great managers? We all know the pitfalls of Indian educational system - excessive stress on mugging stuff ... the IITJEE-perhaps the toughest exam in the world- has been reduced to a mug-a-thon by institutes in a certain part of the great state called Rajasthan. Every state board exam can be cleared with good percentage by joining appropriate classes. CBSE /ISCE people get much more marks percentage wise than a state board SSC guy -- I know this for sure in Maharashtra board atleast. To counter all this the elite institutions of the country had come up with one exam called CAT which will bring out the best in a person as far as managing time in 3 sections and getting a balanced and high percentile is concerned.

Tell me how is a guy from lower-middle income group families expected to get the same percentages as a guy with hi-fi fundu classes and private tutors that are springing around like mushrooms for every freaking exam?For such a person there is only one shot at getting top class education - cracking CAT.But the great minds at IIMB give 15 pc weight to this exam given by 2 lac students .I must say this is unfair and unfair by a long way. I would go to the extent of saying that IIMB is trying to become an elitist institute over here by reducing the weightage for CAT.

In conclusion -
CAT might be a cruel exam - but then its cruel on everyone ...That doesn't mean reducing weight for CAT is the way out. CAT weightage has to be atleast 50% ... After all performing on the day matters a lot in real life as well. No champion in any sphere of life has every become a champion without delivering the goods when it matters the most and performing under tremendous stress during crunch situations , then why should the IIMs be any different?
Major contradictions in what you say here! Coaching can be at any level and naturally ones who have good coaching will do well at all levels from the 10th to 12th to the CAT. Maybe not in grad level!

What you are saying is that if one did badly till graduation due to lack of coaching, that should now be corrected by one intensive coaching for CAT as that person can now afford coaching! Maybe??
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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 06:54 PM

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What you are saying is that if one did badly till graduation due to lack of coaching, that should now be corrected by one intensive coaching for CAT as that person can now afford coaching!

No,
what he is saying is max. academic toppers crack 10th/12th/ Grad based on coaching and that CAT can be cracked without coaching. So the not so privileged ppl should have a chance.

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Since the CAT is common to all IIMs maybe some other IIM is giving brownie points to IIT and NIT grads - it is clear from the pdf that IIMB certainly does not do so. Therefore no extra marks for NIT or IIT grads.

Also there cannot be a minimum for 10th and 12th specified by IIMB as then these will then have be stated as minimum eligibility criteria to apply to IIMB since these scores are known at the time of application. :neutral:
I dunno whether you are naive or ignorant
Seriously ... how many times do we need to tell you, no1 has anything against IIM B and no1 is levelling any acusations. But you seem to be a IIM B fan and take everything to heart then do ... :eh: ...

I think i ll stop arguing with you. There is no point .

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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 08:58 PM

IIM Admissions http://skthewimp.livejournal.com/132622.html

I found this from an IIMB alumni blog interesting:

In order to comply with the Right to Information Act (one of the very few pieces of good legislation by the current UPA government), IIMB has disclosed the "formula" used in this year's admission process. For someone who went through the process three years back, it makes extremely interesting reading. Once again, I'm not in the mood for "writing", so I'll use bullet points.


For a start, i never imagined that the formula would be so "complex". If you look at the extent of mathematical computation involved, perhaps the only formula that that is more complicated than this would be Duckworth-Lewis!
It is interesting to see how much your "history" matters. I didn't imagine my 10th and 12th board marks would matter for so long. Thank goodness my 69 in 12 Board English didn't have too much of an adverse impact!
On a related note, it might explain why you don't find that many gults, or people from factory towns such as Kota for that matter, at IIM. The fact that many of them totally ignore their 12th boards in favor of the JEE may perhaps be coming back to haunt them a few years down the line. This is just a conjecture, and there is a good chance i'm wrong on this count.
Contrary to what a lot of people think, the place where you do your undergrad doesn't seem to have any impact on your prospects of getting in. It doesn't matter whether you do your undergrad from Indian Institute of Technology or (the now derecognized) Islamia Institute of Technology!
On one hand, this gives a good opportunity to those who had missed out in their JEE or similar exams to "get back". Also, one thing you will notice is that historically the percentage of IITians at IIMB is significantly lower than that at IIMA or IIMC. Maybe, now that fits in!
The group discussion in itself has as little as a 7.5% weightage, which is heartening. In my opinion, group discussion is one of the worst selection tools. The equal weight given to the GD summary also offers a ray of hope to people who are not aggressive, or those who get stuck in a GD panel full of aggressive people.
It is now clear that the "most preferred" work experience is about three years. So if you have tried four times for CAT and not gotten through, you might do well to look for alternate alternatives.
Again contrary to popular perception, there doesn't seem to be much weight for extra curricular activities, and leadership. Unless of course, they have an impact on your performance in the interviews. And they will probably improve your chances of a shortlist in placements if you do make it to IIM
Then, it is interesting that the weight given to CAT in the final analysis is about 20%. In our batch (IIMB 2004-06), it seemed like the weightage for CAT was higher. Practically half my batch had a percentile in excess of 99.8. And we could see in our junior batch that this number had come down.
The table with cutoffs for each category makes for interesting viewing. That the cutoffs for SC/ST/disabled is much lower than that for the general category comes as no surprise. It would be interesting, however, to know the difference in final cutoffs for people who get in "normally" through SC/ST and those who get in to the prep course. I have reasons to believe it is going to be significant.
Much has been made out of the fact that the OBC cutoff is not too different from that for general. For example, Rashmi Bansal of JAM says , "It's heartening to know the OBC cut offs were pegged very close to General cut offs". However, I believe it's more to do with demand and supply. Had the reservations been implemented this academic year, the proposed quota for OBCs was 7%, and this low "supply of seats" pushed up the cutoffs. If 27% is to be reserved for OBCs, I'm sure the cutoffs would be much lower, not too much more than that for SC/STs.
Do read the document, it makes for some interesting reading. And if you find anything else interesting, do let me and the other readers of this blog know.
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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 11:16 PM

10th ICSE :89.9
12th ISC :90.75
BE PESIT VTU : 80.5 lot's of people from my college in B
WorkEx : 34 months TCS lot's of people from TCS in B
CAT : 98.4 overall...lowest 90 in DI....


Result : no call from B.
does this "criteria" clear doubts..I am sure it does...only that I would have fallen into those "exceptional" cases....
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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 29-07-2007, 12:33 AM

On a lighter note

Now i realize why B has always had a good sex ratio
Great incentive for guys to get in, isnt it?

P.S. - no offense, gals really rock in acads yaar .. my mid terms coming up and feel im lagging way behind .
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