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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 27-07-2007, 09:06 PM

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may be this explains too that how ppl with such great percentiles with LACK I (lacking B call) calls , would have missed final calls from any of the iims.... A bad news(may be good news that atleast now we know the criteria) for ppl like me who didnt listen to their parents and conc on everything except studies :-/
If the LACKI IIMs are applying 10th 12th grad marks with such high weights as IIMB after the GDPI then it means that they are calling some people based on CAT scores alone who stand absolutely no chance of getting selected however well they do (say they get full marks) in the GDPI. That makes no sense at all. It is more likely that they have such high weight for GDPI that those who don't do well are dropped even with super high CAT scores.
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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 27-07-2007, 09:38 PM

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yeah...n this file has compelled me to apply to as many non-iim b schools as much i should....
IIM B use 10th,12th n grad marks for initial screening.... may be rest of them use the approx the same percentage break up in final screening...
may be this explains too that how ppl with such great percentiles with LACK I (lacking B call) calls , would have missed final calls from any of the iims.... A bad news(may be good news that atleast now we know the criteria) for ppl like me who didnt listen to their parents and conc on everything except studies :-/
I would like to differ with you on that point.
Please do not extrapolate these statements from B and assume that all IIM's have a bias for great acads. Im not saying they dont, but the selection or rejection for that matter would not be decided on that factor alone.

There are numerous factors that every IIM takes into account and each has its own set for that year.

First IIM A came out with the 95.33 %ile rule last year.
now IIM B goes 1 step ahead and gives out the entire procedure for selection.

Is that good? I dont think so.

First lets delve into y these events are taking place?

You would be surprised to know how many people call up the IIM's and ask why they were not given a GD PI call. You cant blame them can you.

Consider this

DI - 99.34
VA - 99.60
QA - 99.94
Total - 99.98

Class X - 83% WB Board
Class XII - 80% Commerce WB Board
B Com Calcutta University - 78%
Fresher

This is the profile of Mehul Agrawal who dint have a B call last year.

Can you tell me why?
Is 83 % in 10th and 80 % 12th too less?

IIM B says

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For all candidates in the first shortlist as stated in Table 1, the candidates’ percentage scores in the 10th and 12th board exams are standardized by dividing each score by the 90th percentile score obtained in that board. The database of 10th and 12th scores of all CAT applicants of the past two years was used for identifying the 90th percentile score for each 10th and 12th board for this purpose.
So the normalisation as such (if you want to call it that) happens only with what data they have of the past 2 yrs' students. Imagine you were from Tripura University, from where only 100 students had applied for CAT the last 2 years. How can you extrapolate the 90th %ile of the board from the data of just 100 students?

Ideally if you were a B Com passout from Tripura University in 2005, the institute should go and pick up the records from the Univeristy, look at what the 90th %ile was and then judge you according to that. The method followed here is quite flawed. And with this disclaimer
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This information, released for the first time this year, is pertinent to the admissions cycle (2007) alone and therefore, no inference can be made from this document about the admissions process used at IIMB in the past nor does it imply that the same or similar process will be adopted for future
admission cycles at IIMB.
you feel that this standarization process was never followed. It is too damn difficult to do it properly and so you try shortcuts which end up in not so good results.

I personally was all for the lack of transparency that the IIM's had before in their selection criteria. There was always a scope for a subjective call for a student. Now with these policies in place, coaching classes will have all the more fun in "training" you. Imagine the turnout for GD PI classes and the business they will do just b coz of this statement.

The IIM's know this process is flawed. They will still follow it. Why?

Only 1 reason. Why take the headache?
We have 10000 excellent candidates each year for 1500 seats. Every1 equally capable for making it. Y call 1000 ppl for 250 seats. Lets use a SQL query and finish it off. Add some weights to some parameters and there we have it. The final outcome.
There are 3 L applicants for 1500 seats.
100's call them and threaten to fill RTI to tell them the selection criteria.
Can you blame them for making everything open?

Agreed, transparency is good in most cases, but if there is objectivity in selecting students everywhere, i doubt we can boast of the best talent .. no offense to any student ( including myslef )

Its just that the demand has gone light years ahead of the supply.

Anyway, ATB to all aspirants this year. Dont think about these things.
With new constraints being added everyday, CAT suddenly takes a back seat.
Imagine, slogging for 2 yrs just for 2 hrs which hardly take up 20 % of the final score

Be confident, and prepare well for CAT.
Each IIM or any other institute has its own selection criteria.
If you start thinking about every institute, ull end up with the fact that you have to get 95 + in all 3 sections, 99 + overall , have a good GD and PI and a good background and some work exp if possible and of course the motivation to slog for 2 yrs.

But this was known to us before we started preparing for CAT, wasn't it ?

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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 27-07-2007, 11:53 PM

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The Q tht's coming in my mind presently is whether the criteria mentioned in the PDF gave any higher weightage to students from IITs, NITs, AIIMS, SRCC, NLSU n similar elite institutions in our countory viz-a-viz students from the private/low ranked colleges (no offence meant)? I'm unable to find any such thing, so it's a flaw I consider as I spent two years of my life (after 10+2) while preparing to get admission in one of the above mentioned elite institutions against getting the admission into a private college directly after 10+2! So, I think they should include weightage for such a criteria for CAT 2007 admissions thereby accompanying even greater transparency while not missing on sth that shows a true potential of a candidate. Also, I think it may help them in achieving in one way what they want through this statement mentioned in the PDF - 'IIMB emphasizes consistent and high performance in past academics'.
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Ideally if you were a B Com passout from Tripura University in 2005, the institute should go and pick up the records from the Univeristy, look at what the 90th %ile was and then judge you according to that. The method followed here is quite flawed. And with this disclaimer you feel that this standarization process was never followed. It is too damn difficult to do it properly and so you try shortcuts which end up in not so good results.Revant
No - this is infact seems an interesting way to get some more diversity. The 90th %ile of all univs are put on par and those with higher scores than the 90th %ile get a multiplier. It does not matter what the 90th %ile of that university population actually was. While many IITians and NITians will anyway get in cause they may have a good record in 10th and 12th - the IIT or NIT does not give them any added advantage. Other univ grads even from small univs have an equal chance if they are among the top applicants in their univ. On the other hand a bottom ranking IIT or NIT grad is out. Thats fine!

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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 12:11 AM

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I would like to differ with you on that point............................................. .
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Really well said, fully agree.

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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 12:23 AM

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No - this is infact seems an interesting way to get some more diversity. The 90th %ile of all univs are put on par and those with higher scores than the 90th %ile get a multiplier. It does not matter what the 90th %ile of that university population actually was. While many IITians and NITians will anyway get in cause they may have a good record in 10th and 12th - the IIT or NIT does not give them any added advantage. Other univ grads even from small univs have an equal chance if they are among the top applicants in their univ. On the other hand a bottom ranking IIT or NIT grad is out. Thats fine!
Yeah.. you are right...
Obviously it does not make sense for people who fared badly in their 12th and 10ths to come into any decent B-skool rite??? (I mean, IIMB is one of the best around)
And we are all agreed upon the fact that any person should not be allowed any second chances...
Also we are all agreed upon the fact that everyone should have thought about getting into an IIM rite in class ninth so that he/she can put all his/her efforts into studying from that point forward!!!

And yeah.. You should think about this as well... IITs/NITs (uhhh sry to club them together ) have a relative grading... and the intake in these colleges is way better than in any of the remaining colleges (pardon me for being over simplistic).. So how can anyone say that a Bottom ranker, even a bloody 7 pointer, from IIT kharagpur is poorer in acads than a topper (99%) from jhumritaliyya college of engg?? :surprised:

In short, what I want to say is, although open, I (personally) don't feel that the criterion given by IIM B is very fair!!
I agree with what revant says!


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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 12:30 AM

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And we are all agreed upon the fact that any person should not be allowed any second chances...

So how can anyone say that a Bottom ranker, even a bloody 7 pointer, from IIT kharagpur is poorer in acads than a topper (99%) from jhumritaliyya college of engg?? :surprised:

In short, what I want to say is, although open, I (personally) don't feel that the criterion given by IIM B is very fair!!
I agree with what revant says!
Well if you are talking about second chances, the person who could not get into IIT KGP is getting a chance now while the person who got IIT KGP but did so badly as to get 7 points is out. Thats even more fair!
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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 12:35 AM

am sure this debate of the IIMB system of admission is never going to end.
my only suggestion to CAT07 takers is to forget about all this for now.U always have the one month after CAT till the time ur results come when u have nothing else to do.Discuss about all this then.
Give ur best effort for CAT.the academic record is something that one cant change now.U can however work on the CAT part.
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and with regard to transparency i liked the idea of making public the weights for the GD,PI and work ex.
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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 12:58 AM

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am sure this debate of the IIMB system of admission is never going to end.
my only suggestion to CAT07 takers is to forget about all this for now.U always have the one month after CAT till the time ur results come when u have nothing else to do.Discuss about all this then.
Give ur best effort for CAT.the academic record is something that one cant change now.U can however work on the CAT part.
All the best

and with regard to transparency i liked the idea of making public the weights for the GD,PI and work ex.
Well Actually what prahald says kinda makes a load of sense!!!
Keep all of this behind you ( uhh- kinda weird coming from a person who never had a B call.. but WTH ) an prepare for CAT 07 with a lot of zest..
If you think that you don't meet the criterion for B.... chuck it, there're always other b-skools which are just as good!!!
Gear up and all the best... whether for good or for bad... the current selection criteria is there... Make the best use of it

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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 11:11 AM

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Well if you are talking about second chances, the person who could not get into IIT KGP is getting a chance now while the person who got IIT KGP but did so badly as to get 7 points is out. Thats even more fair!
Reeks of communistic egalitarianism. Not one of my favorites, I should tell you.

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prahalad85:Give ur best effort for CAT.the academic record is something that one cant change now.U can however work on the CAT part.

anarchy:Keep all of this behind you ( uhh- kinda weird coming from a person who never had a B call.. but WTH ) an prepare for CAT 07 with a lot of zest..
Yes Sirs, I better get back to my books. Whats done is done. Whats to be done needs to be done.
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Re: IIMB Admission Process Details - 28-07-2007, 11:29 AM

too much info by IIMB ....

i think it makes sense for IIMB to opt out of CAT..as in the CAT weighs only 20%....the rest 80% is already there with them.....so why nt shortlist people based on class 10, 12, wrk ex degree percentage..and then have a test for those shortlisted...???.....then intv, and GD....imagine the summary of GD has a weightage comparable to class 12 marks...holy cow.....

guys is it possible to improve on class 10, 12 marks..as in improvement....and all...thats the only way .......to get into IIMB..now...i would say a gud oppourtunity for CBSA/ICSE to inc revenues..he he
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