[sahasid]

Originally Posted by harshadk

............. they cant see beyond vote banks and appeasement.....

Harshad

the thing i don't understand is, does only the quota vote bank need appeasement? we, the general category shud be the major constituent of the vote bank.. how does it happen that the general category keeps getting scr**ed.. does our discontent have no effect on the poll prospects of the political parties? i really don't understand this.. in north india at least, the upper castes constitute the influential bulk in all walks of life, yet, there is not consoldated effort in the political system to protect our interests...

[subodh_iit]

Originally Posted by sahasid

the thing i don't understand is, does only the quota vote bank need appeasement? we, the general category shud be the major constituent of the vote bank.. how does it happen that the general category keeps getting scr**ed.. does our discontent have no effect on the poll prospects of the political parties? i really don't understand this.. in north india at least, the upper castes constitute the influential bulk in all walks of life, yet, there is not consoldated effort in the political system to protect our interests...

A very valid point Sid,

And it can be answered if we take our hypocrisy into account.. So, the votes are divided on the base of cast. A Brahmin will vote for a Brahmin only and not Vaishya. And vice-versa. On the other hand, the votes of SC/STs and other minority communities fall en-mass. This means Politicos think that they have to woo these communities.

Much as we say, the caste system is prevalent in India. And the way out is not denying it but to take it into stride.. SO I favor affirmative action should take cast into account, however other factors should also be taken in account like where he was brought-up and parental background.

[abhi_g1]

Originally Posted by sahasid

the thing i don't understand is, does only the quota vote bank need appeasement? we, the general category shud be the major constituent of the vote bank.. how does it happen that the general category keeps getting scr**ed.. does our discontent have no effect on the poll prospects of the political parties? i really don't understand this.. in north india at least, the upper castes constitute the influential bulk in all walks of life, yet, there is not consoldated effort in the political system to protect our interests...

hey sid bhai,the population might be high of the educated middle class.but the population does not decide the vote bank,it is the people among them who vote's matter's.

how many of eduacated people vote:satisfie: they njoy siiting back home watching a cricket match and take it as a public holiday.

whereas the so called poor class votes in bulk,they come in auto rickshwas from villages to vote.because this is there only power.

and sometimes they also votes like 2 or 3 votes is being voted by the same person

hope u r getting the point

[sahasid]

Originally Posted by abhi_g1

hey sid bhai,the population might be high of the educated middle class.but the population does not decide the vote bank,it is the people among them who vote's matter's.

how many of eduacated people vote:satisfie: they njoy siiting back home watching a cricket match and take it as a public holiday.

whereas the so called poor class votes in bulk,they come in auto rickshwas from villages to vote.because this is there only power.

and sometimes they also votes like 2 or 3 votes is being voted by the same person

hope u r getting the point

i can't agree with u on this point.. what u say is surely true abt attending political meetings.. but when it comes to voting, u will find that cities and towns in general record higher turnouts.. moreover, do u know how voting takes place in rural areas? we don't get to see much of it in cities, but in rural areas, votes are rampantly rigged.. from that respect, political parities don't even need to put up these 'incentives'.. they always have musclepower and rigging to fall back on to get the 'people's mandate'. I'll tell u, this arjun singh is a maniac... even within his party and in other parties, there are very few ppl who agree with him. but ball-less s*b s as they are, they just can't pluck the courage to say what they think...

[abhi_g1]

Originally Posted by sahasid

i can't agree with u on this point.. what u say is surely true abt attending political meetings.. but when it comes to voting, u will find that cities and towns in general record higher turnouts.. moreover, do u know how voting takes place in rural areas? we don't get to see much of it in cities, but in rural areas, votes are rampantly rigged.. from that respect, political parities don't even need to put up these 'incentives'.. they always have musclepower and rigging to fall back on to get the 'people's mandate'. I'll tell u, this arjun singh is a maniac... even within his party and in other parties, there are very few ppl who agree with him. but ball-less s*b s as they are, they just can't pluck the courage to say what they think...

sid bhai i was not talking about political meetings only but about voting also,i have seen in punjab ,up ,delhi and haryana. These minsters make arrangements for the trucks and buses,make arrangement for the rural public and these come in huge numbers pal.

as far as arjun singh is concerned,he thinks he only knows about the people rest all are foolish:satisfie:

[destinationjoka]

i dont feel that this is a prudent move by the congress even politically.
does moving ahead with d quota issue help them garner votes and win elections.
congress has lost everywhere and that too very badly since the last yr(except manipur).
it lost in mumbai civic polls,
punjab,uttarakhand assembly polls
today in delhi civic polls

[nitin43a]

There seems to be a lot of discontent among so called educated and meritorious people on the issue of reservations and our HRD minister Arjun Singh has been made villain by these people. But isn't this a democracy (for the people, by the people and of the people). Politicians are just normal human beings who have been promoted by us to take care of the policies on our behalf. Is it right to shake of the responsibilities from our shoulders and make a villain out of them?

This is a democracy and we the people are the kings. But when we are the kings then things should go our way right? Then why all this stupidity happening around us? A bit of introspection can easily give us the answer.

We feel that as ordinary citizens we don't have any power and can't change the system. We look towards supreme court to bring some wisdom into the system. We have a strong feeling that once we get into a position of power we'll do everything to change the system. But do we realize that we are already the most powerful people in the country, more powerful than the supreme court also?

As proud citizens of the largest democracy in the world, we have been empowered with an unbeatable weapon called vote which no politician can defeat. But the biggest problem is that people like us (read educated ones) don't use this weapon. We really don't have any representation in the parliament. Hence we are toothless and hence this frustration. And as a democracy we should take the blame on us for what all is happening now.

Voting is as high as 90% from jhuggi jhopris and as low as 15-20% from areas where people are educated, have more matured thinking and can appreciate the good or bad being done by the policy makers. So whom to blame for all that is happening now? should it not be we ourselves?

We think that how does it matter to us whether BJP or Congress or any other party comes to power. Our life is not going to be affected by that. That kind of attitude is suicidal for a democracy. Now politicians know which section of society votes and what can be the winning formula to attract that section.

Cutting short, I would say that as a democracy, we all must take the collective responsibility of what is happening now and it is only us, and not any court which can change the fortunes of this country.

As vivekananda said "Uttishtitaha Jagritaha" (Wake Up and Get Up).

[skeptic]

Just think. If it weren't for the UP elections, this thread need never have been opened. We wouldn't need to have all this heartburn.

[ismbaneeded]

We need to discuss some action items on priority.

1) Will filing a PIL help. On what basis should we file a PIL.? Reservation or no-reservation, we wants results on time.

2) Will calling up the IIMs help. Explain our problems to them. They probably are the best interface between us and the government. I am worried about my proffesion. My boss would not agree to wait more for the results. Imagine when will the wait lists get cleared? IIMs will have to be pro active this time to handle the waitlist issue.

3) Any other means??

[piyushs]

Originally Posted by ismbaneeded

We need to discuss some action items on priority.

1) Will filing a PIL help. On what basis should we file a PIL.? Reservation or no-reservation, we wants results on time.

2) Will calling up the IIMs help. Explain our problems to them. They probably are the best interface between us and the government. I am worried about my proffesion. My boss would not agree to wait more for the results. Imagine when will the wait lists get cleared? IIMs will have to be pro active this time to handle the waitlist issue.

3) Any other means??

This is what happens when people are attuned to follow the path of least resistance... With erstwhile "capable" and "respected" politicians such as manmohan singh etc at the helm, the situation is this bad... and this is when they are educated from ivy league instis... imagine if theres a laloo or mayawati at the helm ps: wonder if manmohan singh wouold have made it to wherevr he is if there was reservation in oxford

All idealistic approaches wont work out... politicians wont stand up for what the may or may not know is right....


The judiciary cant/wont/shouldnt interfere further.... it has already been warned IndianExpress.com :: Ex-CJI Justice Verma cautions the bench against ‘over-reach’

The iims will follow the issued directives... After all its still the law...

And the students... we`ll discuss this topic to no end, have a painful wait till the results, then those who convert,move on.... others crib for a while, then get back to their lives... No one will sacrifice thier aims/goals for the greater good... its all in the way ws`ve been brought up...