[riverbreeze]

Originally Posted by subodh_iit

@ river

It is not the question of waiting dear.. Look, we are not machines.. It wud have been fine had we been.. Now due to this continued suspense, our productivity at whichever task we are doing is suffering..

Now, wud it not be better if know for good whether we r through or not, so that we can coolly move on to the life ahead rather than waiting for these results...

If you don't know the number of seats, how can they declare the result.

Again you want to coolly move on as if you can't see the flames of reservation rising.
It would be ok for you if you want to leave the country after MBA so that you can live happily ever after( coolly too ).
It has to be decided now so that we know for good that GOOD LIFE is through in this country or not( our kids would be divided in castes/ quotas and life would not be just), so that we can coolly move on to the life rather than waiting for future results.

Anyways if the course starts in July, it is not a big deal if the results are declared on 12th may instead of 12th April.

A MBA is not necessary to make life go on coolly, however, it may surely help it.

There is no love lost from my side because....

[shubhankar85]

Originally Posted by riverbreeze

If you don't know the number of seats, how can they declare the result.

Again you want to coolly move on as if you can't see the flames of reservation rising.
It would be ok for you if you want to leave the country after MBA so that you can live happily ever after( coolly too ).
It has to be decided now so that we know for good that GOOD LIFE is through in this country or not( our kids would be divided in castes/ quotas and life would not be just), so that we can coolly move on to the life rather than waiting for future results.

Anyways if the course starts in July, it is not a big deal if the results are declared on 12th may instead of 12th April.

A MBA is not necessary to make life go on coolly, however, it may surely help it.

There is no love lost from my side because....

The "Good Life" doesn't necessarily have to come by means of anxiety and agony in the present...
& I am not of the opinion that thinking too much into the future is the way to justify whats happening...
It just suggests an attitude to delegate all that's happening to someone else and/or to some other time possibly in the future...
Thats whats been happening for so long in our country which is why, the so-called end to the reservation issue which many thought was done & over with the 22.5% reservation for SCs/STs has resurfaced in such a menacing manner...& thats what shall continue to happen if people concerned dont seize the moment & bring this to a decisive end once & for all...

Just accepting whats going on as "part of the process we are expected to go through" is what has brought the matter to what it is today...

& besides.. making an assumption that any measures taken today assure the public of security & justice in the future is an exercise in futility... When things go wrong, they aren't necessarily forecasted (Noone knew 2 years back that we would see this day when reservations would become headline news as they have)

[rahulgolchha]

ppl will be losing great sums of money this yr..... ppl will take admissions wherever they are being offered a seat, and when they leave they get only a small fractions back.....

WHEN Supreme court and govt are tussling on OBC issue , why not on this matter------- ppl losing out money..... the govt must do something....

if they care about OBCs, i have no issue, but not at the cost of other ppl.....

[subodh_iit]

Originally Posted by riverbreeze

If you don't know the number of seats, how can they declare the result.

I mentioned earlier that results can be declared by combining both GEN and OBC candidates and then selecting the best ones for decreased seats.

Again you want to coolly move on as if you can't see the flames of reservation rising.

Well for me, flames are already dead.. They rose in 1991. 300 odd seats at IIMs and 1000 at IITs can't make such a difference to the life of billion people.

If u think like that, I do not have any issues. For me, its a small concern that is mindlessly being hyped to such proportions.

It would be ok for you if you want to leave the country after MBA so that you can live happily ever after( coolly too ).

I have no issues with moving out.. As far as I know the best that this country has got is mainly due to guys who have moved out and then come back richer in experience, culture, maturity and money.

It has to be decided now so that we know for good that GOOD LIFE is through in this country or not( our kids would be divided in castes/ quotas and life would not be just), so that we can coolly move on to the life rather than waiting for future results.

First of all, Good life is not contingent on IIM/IIT reservations. I agree that IIMs and IITs will lose much of their sheen if reservation is done.. But as a whole, it is not going to affect the country.. There will be private instis to fill the gap. It is hightime everyone learns to foot the bill of their premier education.

The only issue I have is the reservation in Advanced Medical courses. Now a doctor should not be mediocre. He has human lives in hand.. Besides there were not even SC/ST reservations in Advanced Medical Degrees until now, and this whole thing will really deteriorate the medical fraternity.

A MBA is not necessary to make life go on coolly, however, it may surely help it.

Exactly. So, if you are a talented lot, it does not make a difference whether you do an MBA or not. Or whether you do it from MDI or IIM. So, the whole hullaballoo about reservation is just an over-hyped thing - Nothing Less, Nothing More..

I reiterate once again that I am against reservation, but still I am candid enough to admit that what is being said is not true.

And my immediate concern is that results should be on time..

[nickomania_07]

"Admissions on hold
The meeting said institutions that had expanded capacity to cater for the additional intake would be asked to put admissions on hold, so that the extra seats were not filled. "


Does this mean that only the extra seats are not to be filled??

[thedarklord85]

Hello friends

I see a lot of frayed nerves on this issue here.Though i am all with u guys on censuring the Govt for its actions,i just wonder,how many of you were out on the streets last year when the protests were on.I was,and i clearly remember how we had to ask people to join the protests for the sake of their future and the future of their children.Though the medicos put up a gr8 fight,i didnt see many of my engineering brethren join the fight and this gave the govt a chance to label it a medical students vs Govt fight.

Filing a PIL now when we are being directly effected by this delay or suggesting that let the decision be put off for next year smacks of total selfishness and no concern whatsoever about the policy.I agree to what one of my friends has said here,that leaving it for next year isnt the solution.Lets put this issue behind us once and for all.Even though it may mean a late start i session,sacrificing our holidays once we get to join and leading a tough few months.But someone wil have to make the sacrifice to bear the fruits as well!!!

[riverbreeze]

Exactly ....
I just did not say earlier that the Quota should end so some misunderstanding.

So the bottomline is that the whole Quota thing needs to be reviewed and it has to be done now.

If ending quota is possible then it is now we do it or reorganise the reservation structure.

I am not lingering in the past and not lost in future.

I also haven't lost the learnings from past and am trying to foresee the future.

I am just saying the wait is worth if this fire is controlled. Why do we believe Quota in institutes will not go on to jobs two years later when the people graduate. It is going to come and we would be blind if we can't see it.


It is the same thing I am saying, but with a different persepective.

[Mr.B]

People, I donno why but I think it's time to a Rang De Basanti on dear Arjun Singh....
Just that we wont go to a radio station and let ourselves in...

[riverbreeze]

You say a few seats in IITs or IIMs don't matter.

But a few seats in Medical College do matter as a doctor should not be mediocre.

But should an engineer be mediocre. Would you like a plane to crash due to some mediocre engineer or some Dam to collapse because of a mediocre engineer.

It is a much bigger thing than what you percieve.

Please be clear this is only the start, the next would be reservations in private institutions followed by jobs.It does not end here but it starts here. And we have to curb it right here.
22.5 already and 27 added will be very tough for us when it comes to all jobs.

It is a thing which is going to come and we must foresee it.

Would you agree to a 49.5 in jobs as reservation. I don't think so.....



There are changes coming in the mindset of us youngsters due to this quota.
The generations have hated each other for caste difference and we are going to join the list because we will feel we are denied equal opportunities due to reservations.

[subodh_iit]

Originally Posted by riverbreeze;

If ending quota is possible then it is now we do it or reorganise the reservation structure.

I am not lingering in the past and not lost in future.

I also haven't lost the learnings from past and am trying to foresee the future.

I am just saying the wait is worth if this fire is controlled. Why do we believe Quota in institutes will not go on to jobs two years later when the people graduate. It is going to come and we would be blind if we can't see it.

Now I think we both are converging on the point..

Ideally, IITs and IIMs or for that matter all institutes should reserve 25% seats for affirmative action. Now the candidates in these seats should be filled keeping educational background, rural background, (maybe cast & physical status) and other factors. These people will add variety to the classroom. And rest 75% off course should be open.

But then we are not living in the ideal world..

Originally Posted by riverbreeze

You say a few seats in IITs or IIMs don't matter.

But a few seats in Medical College do matter as a doctor should not be mediocre.

But should an engineer be mediocre. Would you like a plane to crash due to some mediocre engineer or some Dam to collapse because of a mediocre engineer.

It is a much bigger thing than what you percieve.

The reason I said so, is because in case of Engineering and Management, this hulla-balloo is only about IITs and IIMs. Other engg. colleges already have the reservation. Now no medical college have reservation for MD/MS degrees - not even SC/ST.

Medical colleges do have reservation at MBBS level, but again I am only mentioning advanced medical degrees.

Would you agree to a 49.5 in jobs as reservation. I don't think so.....

There are changes coming in the mindset of us youngsters due to this quota.

The generations have hated each other for caste difference and we are going to join the list because we will feel we are denied equal opportunities due to reservations.

These are hypothetical questions. And probably cannot be implemented...