[neutral]

Originally Posted by goloo

The nation is certainly divided on the issue - I thought the bill was passed by consensus. But no one is thinking about we poor candidates whose future has been put on hold by the HRD ministry till they come up with an idea to circumvent the court ruling. Our esteemed judiciary takes nearly 9 months to decide that the basis of reservation was wrong! ??:

And why can't the SC & the govt. let the IIMs go ahead with the process...They are increasing only around 6 % of the seats and that is certainly less than any number that any new survey might throw up. So let the admissions go on with 6 % this year, and the final figure can be decided later. I know I sound despo but I am sure there are many more of my clan around who are as anxious for the results. whether we make it to IIMs or no is a secondary issue now..We have already been very patient (Any1 remembers when we took the CAT). Anyway the SC never said no quota for OBCs...it just said not 27 % so why put the admissions on hold??

After so much of arguments and counter-arguments , do we have any info on the immediate problem at hand ????

Whether the govt has filed any review petition or not and how farrrrrrrrr the results are now ???

[harshadk]

Hello !

This thread was started with the specific purpose of discussing the STAY on the results, and NOT whether the OBC quota should or should not be there.

One humble request - please dont debate the quota issue here - you can do that on the other thread ( Quotas to increase in IITs and IIMs ).

lets keep this thread only for information and news regarding the stay on results - it becomes much easier this way to get to know whats happened in the day in terms of developments in this issue. i've had to sift through 4 pages of the quota debate today before realizing that pretty much nothing has happened.

the quota issue is a big issue which has affected everybody and caused lots of anger and heartburn. but it has its proper place in THAT thread. please dont mix up things.

just a humble request to everybody......

cheers,
Harshad

["42"]

I absolutely know why i am writing this... the AC in my office has stopped working, and im totally getting suffocated... a situation that is amazingly similar to whats happening here!

What am i writing about... the fact that we all love to hate quotas, regardless of whether they have the slightest semblance of distressing us in any possible way! I am somehow glad that these exist. Constantly reminds me that nothing in the world can be perfect… But anyways, that is not the issue I shall opine about, lest I run the risk of being diplomatically inconvenient…

So why am I posting… I felt too random waiting for the results, and I thought that I might have a point of view here. But strangely, as I pen this down (rather, key it in) the frustration seems to have crept away… all this in a space of some 300 seconds!

However, because I wan to post my dissent, here goes: DOWN WITH THE GOVERNMENT AND THEIR VOTE BANK POLITICS.

And now… like many others, I shall sit back and wait, reading on with vivid interest…

PS:
The intention of the government is clear from the stand Mr. Singh took when he said to the effect that the judiciary should not meddle with policy affairs… there will be quotas. I guess we have all reconciled to that. What we ask for is the results!

[vaibhavthakur]

Hi puys,

It seems that all CAT takers are decided on a stand to take-" Give us our results, reservation or not and let HRD and SC fight it off later". I agree that that there is lot of inconvenience caused to everyone.....ppl who got calls from other institutes....or ppl who are not able to utilize new opportunities in their jobs (i am one of them)....but I want to give another point of view here. We are agitated and even frustrated, but this is exactly what HRD wanted. What can be other reason to hold the results for general for whom there is no change in number of seats.

Act no 2: HRD refused to conduct any caste based census and said that they will implement quotas from this year only "no matter what".

This is a direct stalemate between SC's order of giving better data and HRD's stand against fresh census. And THIS IS WHAT HRD WANTS.
They want that all GE students like us go to SC and ask them to release the results. And HRD won't allow this until given a pass for reservation. This stalemate can only be broken when SC asks explicitly to release GE category results. Even this will take some time and if this happens hrd will again accuse SC of encroachment in their territory.

In other words HRD is giving a warning to SC- " Either GE+OBC OR NO One".

I just want say that we should be patient. Please try to see through these actions my friends. Even I am facing problems because of this delay but THEY want us to show these problems to everyone and then pass on the blame to SC. Results will definitely come out in a due time but we should not let them go ahead with the reservation because it will serve as a benchmark decision in future and our future generations will be the ones to face bigger problems.

Vaibhav
- I am poor and oppressed...help me...I am GENERAL

"Kites rise against, no with the winds"

[CAT 2007]

First of all, I am anti-reservationist right from the word go. Given an option, I would remove the SC/ST reservations first and then tackle the OBC group. The creamy layer doctrine eludes the SC/STs conveniently. And there in the SC you have various benches shouting 'Creamy layer is a necessary bargain and its a constitutional mandate'. Inconsistency is the buzz word at the courts, you see. Anyways, please no counter arguments. If you wanna, we may take them off this thread. But just a few points I thought I should make. I am not a pro-reservationist but in the current situation I am neutral.

Originally Posted by warrior

"Thing is we are not denying u admission if u are capable of you will anyway get it. you got the reservation through law now the same law is asking u to leave that.
I you are so desirous of getting in why havent you applied through general quota.

Laws are not made to be withheld or revoked in between that leaves everyone in a mess, including the IIMs. Think about something like 'IIM A decides to admit only 100 general category students now whereas they had openly published about their intake of 192'. Now this is not fair, you think it is?

Originally Posted by warrior

Everyone whether selected or not have to pay for their travelling expenses. so where is the issue of money comes in.

It doesnt if you know you would be considered for the admission process, which you rightly derserve and more importantly, you have earned. But that is not the case with some 600 odd students right?

Originally Posted by warrior

Everybody puts in as much efforts as he/ she can. And the pain is much more when u knwo that you are denied admission not beacuse are inferior but beacuse you dont have some caste certificate.

You sound as if all the 192 seats in the general category have been revoked. Mind you if you dont get through, there would be other 192 candidates who would have made it. Just beacuse there are some people who get an easy route to those coveted instis, it still does not give you a reason good enough to think that you were superior, when you fell inferior to those 192 candidates, somewhere this time, on some account. The problems lie somewhere else and reservations are just an effect of those problems.

And yes, the 'You' in my reference does not refer to 'Warrior'. Its generic in nature. And I am sure Warrior would feature in those 192 candidates......

[neutral]

Originally Posted by vaibhavthakur

Results will definitely come out in a due time but we should not let them go ahead with the reservation because it will serve as a benchmark decision in future and our future generations will be the ones to face bigger problems.

No matter what we desire the reservations will be there, if not this year thn may b from next year.

Few Pointers:
1. SC has not said "NO" to the reservation. Only thing it wants is the rationale behind the figure of 27% and it contests the 1931 census. But i doubt if the population of OBC was 52 % in 1931, it would be any less in 2007. Even in any case it wudnt fall below 27%.

2. SC itself has left many looholes in the judgement by way of using "confusing" language. It says "It is desirable to do.......". Still it doesnt mandates it for the govt and just desirable. And SC has been known for years to give ambigous judgements wch can be interpreted either way.

3. If creamy layer concept doesnt apply to SC/ST, y shud equality matter only in case of OBC ? And mind u, its very rare that the benefit of reservation go to truly needy and they never will coz its a trade-distorting practise.

Even i m totally against any type of quota in any walk of life but as of now, m not concerned with big picture..u may term it as selfishness but as of now i want results in time so that i can get on with my life...

[aashayen]

You know caste based consenus were stopped in India after 1931, thats why Govt has put 1931 data. Totally surprising when you dont have data how can you fixed reservation on caste basis. At the end people are suffering because of so much uncertainty and delay. I wonder why dont the IIMs and other B-Schools come out and confront the Govt. citing their autonomity as they did with issue of fee.

[raman1985]

Hey people

Looks like the ministry is hell bent on not letting the results out on time :( :-

The HRD ministry has asked the IIM's to

"go ahead with the internal process, the admission offers would be put on hold."

Admissions delayed, PM meets parties-India-NEWS-The Times of India

and

Keep admission on hold, Central institutes told

Also

"the Ministry has informed the institutions that ‘we will get back to you at the earliest’"

Clearly goes to show that the sentiments of the aspirants do not matter to the bunch of policy makers calling the shots since no time frame has been soecified

[Pokhi_Fokhi]

I have copy of hindustan times with me. It says that as per the directive of HRD " institutes may go ahead with examinations,interviews and shortlisting of candidates as per their schedule but final admission should be done after SC verdict on the OBC quota"

Does it mean they can release results but wait for final admission till the verdict comes?

Is government only delaying the matter because of UP elections?
If they are really serious, why did they wait for one and half week before filing just a stay petition. UP govt filed for stay in the case of minority status for muslims in UP within 2-3 days. Whats taking them so much time?

[vaibhavthakur]

Originally Posted by neutral

No matter what we desire the reservations will be there, if not this year thn may b from next year.

There are some good points put forward by neutral. I feel i have some points to make here

Few Pointers:
1. SC has not said "NO" to the reservation. Only thing it wants is the rationale behind the figure of 27% and it contests the 1931 census. But i doubt if the population of OBC was 52 % in 1931, it would be any less in 2007. Even in any case it wudnt fall below 27%.

These figures are doubtful. In fact only mandal puts it at 52%. Other national level organizations show different results National Sample Survey Organisation (NSSO) puts it at 32% and the National Family and Health Survey at 29.8 per cent. Moreover considering the effect of creamy layer , after the exclusion this figure can drop well below 27%.

2. SC itself has left many looholes in the judgement by way of using "confusing" language. It says "It is desirable to do.......". Still it doesnt mandates it for the govt and just desirable. And SC has been known for years to give ambigous judgements wch can be interpreted either way.

I dunno what exactly this language of SC means....but if there would have been a loophole then govt must have caught it and used it against the SC. So I being no expert in law come to a logical conclusion that there is no "flaw" in the language of the judgement.

3. If creamy layer concept doesnt apply to SC/ST, y shud equality matter only in case of OBC ? And mind u, its very rare that the benefit of reservation go to truly needy and they never will coz its a trade-distorting practise.

SC/ST are a well defined groups of people and these are castes where other backward classes are not....and that is why some criterion is required to distinguish between needy and well-off classes

Lets see what happens....waiting patiently for the results...

Vaibhav