[achiles49]

oh thnx for the reply....from where can one get the core reading........you cleared FRM and still in technology...why so ???

[ssu039]

Originally Posted by achiles49

oh thnx for the reply....from where can one get the core reading........you cleared FRM and still in technology...why so ???

Hi,

Core Readings are released by Garp, you can get them from garpdigital library. This year Core Readings price is $240
Rgds,
Shyam

[DerivativesGuy]

As I said before, dont look at the FRM as your ticket to the domain side. It is recognized, but I guess not enough to get you a great profile. I believe you need to have a MBA/masters in finance etc to get you in a good profile. I took the exam primarily for some good knowledge and not for a shift.
The core readings are officiallyy available from the garp site, but its pretty expensive.. you could team up with other applicants and share the resources.

[ssu039]

hi, nice to know that from you, Do stick around with this thread and do mentor us for the preparation on the FRM exam

Rgds,

Shyam

Originally Posted by DerivativesGuy

As I said before, dont look at the FRM as your ticket to the domain side. It is recognized, but I guess not enough to get you a great profile. I believe you need to have a MBA/masters in finance etc to get you in a good profile. I took the exam primarily for some good knowledge and not for a shift.
The core readings are officiallyy available from the garp site, but its pretty expensive.. you could team up with other applicants and share the resources.

[rajanprince]

Hey

Any one help me in getting Knowledge about Basel.

Thanks

Abahay

[ssu039]

Hey Guys,

Its 3rd March, 2008 today and I am very excited to state that FRM 2008 registrations will start today.

Last year, I happened to read some interesting articles on FRM, and I would like to post some of these articles for the benefit of all PG members,

The 1st in this series is CFA vs FRM

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CFA(Obviously AIMR) versus FRM

This article originally belongs to Bionic Turtle, and was written by
David Harper
CFA, FRM, CIPM

Heres the article in its original context.

CFA versus FRM

I often get this question about the CFA versus the FRM. I don't have a great answer because:

1. Individual goals vary (we want different things from our certifications),
2. Job markets are diverse. The CFA is helpful if you want to work in equity research or, say, become a distressed debt analyst. The FRM would be more relevant to a risk manager (but the FRM, at the moment, is probably not a prerequisite for any job). For other Financial Services jobs (e.g., consulting, sales, management), these credentials are elements that complement your overall presentation. Like the MBA (which has suffered some commoditization), they don't buy you advancement per se, rather they enhance your portrait.
3. It's getting harder to generalize about job markets, even accounting for their diversity. Almost across the board, there is a higher bar on technical skills (e.g., visual basic) or specialized knowledge (e.g., CPA, SOX)
4. Please also note that under the financial certification umbrella, you have more and more choices. Each with their own focus. Just two examples. In alternative investments, we now have the Chartered Alternative Investment Analyst. In performance measurement and evaluation, the CFA Institute recently opened a Certificate in Investment Performance Measurement. Certification fragmentation, I suppose, follows naturally from the trend toward skills specialization.

Why do we sit for these financial certification exams?

Both exams make extraordinary demands on your extracurricular time. A professional analyst once told me he hadn't sat for the CFA because it would require "giving up my Spring and my Summer" (that would be, in the case of the CFA, three years or six sacrificed "seasons"). I think he is roughly accurate about both exams. According to the published guidance, the CFA Level I requires a "minimum of 250 hours hours of study."
And while GARP does not, to my knowledge, provide formal timeline guidance for the FRM, I think the average FRM candidate probably needs at least 250 hours of study before the exam. Some can spend less time, but I bet among the majority who fail the FRM, their main regret is they underestimated the amount of preparation time required. But notice one difference already: the CFA is a minimum three year commitment (work experience aside) and the FRM is a one year commitment. Although the FRM is harder than any one CFA Level. I'd say it is about 150% - 175% more difficult than the Level I CFA.
Why sit for these exams? I can think of two reasons:

• To get a better job (or enjoy the prestige of a respected credential)
• To learn (new material, refresh old material)

Walter, if you don't mind, I will divide my answer into two posts. First, about the job market ("is it worth taking...?"). In a second, I'll dissect the exams themselves.
Job market trends

Broadly, I perceive the following general trends concerning job markets in financial services (my perspective is partially informed by Pablo Triana's expert overview in the September/October Risk Review):

• Quant Finance occupies rarified air where the CFA/FRM won't really help you: Surely the headline in recent years is the soaring popularity and importance of Quantitative Finance, or if you like, Financial Engineering (the domain of the "Quants"). This will continue and I seriously doubt the recent subprime fallout, however bad, will put any dent on the demand for this talent. At the top of the skills pyramid, demand for quants will outpace supply for the foreseeable future. But the Quant Finance professional track is a specialized market; you need a Masters in Financial Engineering or a PhD to compete here. (I am not aware that either the CFA or the FRM even help, as much as I'd like to wish otherwise! I consulted for KMV years ago before they were acquired by Moody's and, those Quants were pretty typical in their disdain for anything less than a PhD. They viewed the CFA program as a sort of finance primer, maybe sort of like a nice extracurricular activity.)
• But Basic Quant and General Finance (quantitative talent) are relevant everywhere and more important than ever: Below the speciality level of hard core Quantitative Finance, basic quantitative skills and general finance (e.g., CFA or FRM) are becoming more relevant to all finance jobs. Years ago, when I consulted to asset managers, a typical relationship manager was an old-school salesperson. One prominent advisor to major pension funds quipped to me, "Do you know who gets the pension fund business?...the guy who bought the last cocktail." But this has changed. As the business has gradually institutionalized, the jobs have become more professional (i.e., requiring threshold sets of competencies). Nowadays, the salesperson (relationship manage, account manager) is often financially sophisticated. Often he or she has an MBA or maybe even a CFA.
• The bar has been raised. You now compete with talented hybrids. Students get credentials earlier. And experienced workers add credentials. Many are not satisfied to be mere experts (nobody wants to be an "expert in a silo" where they cannot understand how their expertise connects to the business), they want be facile across disciplines. And, if you think about it, leaders must bridge disciplines. You see more hybrid personalities: people who are expert in one domain and impressively exposed to additional domains. There seems to be everywhere a recognition that all key jobs are, to some degree or another, interdisciplinary. Nowadays, on the supply side, recent MBA graduates are often triple threats: the graduate degree, a "first degree" in a hard science (e.g., math, engineering), and off-path, valuable real-world experience (e.g., product manager).

About the CFA

The CFA was traditionally a credential for the sell-side equity analyst at an investment bank. But its appeal has broadened over the years. It is now typical to see job descriptions for Consultants that "prefer an MBA or a CFA." Or, the following are among the requirements for a Strategist at a major money manager: "1. Bachelors, Masters, or PhD in a quantitative subject (math, statistics, economics, finance); and 2. CFA, Actuarial or similar professional qualification."
In many cases, the CFA has more perceived value that an average Finance MBA (unless the Finance MBA is earned from a globally prestigious school). I sort of view the CFA as the today's Finance MBA. The Finance MBA, in my opinion, has suffered gradual commoditization over the years and is sort of stuck in the middle between two dynamic markets. One, true mathematicians with PhDs or Master's in Financial Engineering are wanted for the Quant jobs. Two, the supply for generalists now includes many streams of qualified, non-MBA candidates (e.g., economists, experienced workers; and my pick for tomorrow's hot job, anthropologist). And firms are more eager to directly recruit exceptionally talented undergraduates, some of whom amass credentials like the CFA seemingly before they've worked much.
Nowadays, an average Finance MBA plays a merely supporting role in a candidate's overall presentation. But the CFA still has glossy sex appeal. On the hiring side, the CFA enjoys a prestige that was, years ago, attached to the Finance MBA. Pretty much everybody knows what the CFA is, and they respect what it signifies about your education.
Organizationally, the CFA Institute is bigger and more mature than GARP; conversely, GARP is growing faster while the CFA has announced it is now entering its second big phase, dubbed the "Membership Era." Translation: we won't be adding new members as rapidly as in the past, so let's focus on our existing members. But the larger size and maturity of the CFA Institute confers the following perqs:

• One of the best job boards on the web (I routinely get requests to post jobs under my account due to the focused audience)
• A voluntary continuing education program that was good even before the CFA recently increased their focus on, and their resource allocation to, continuing education. The CFA Institute has fabulous continuing education resources
• The actual exam is the gold standard of financial certification exams. From soup to nuts, it is truly marvelous. The body of knowledge is carefully undated each year, their authors are typically "the final-word Gurus" in their area (e.g., Fabozzi in Fixed Income), and their reading materials continue to impress me each year. Recently, the readings were bundled into the exam; e.g. a six volume set for Level I. I think this six-volume set for Level I is just about the best, most well-organized introduction to finance that you can find anywhere. If you could take only one finance text on your desert island sabbatical, I think it should be the Level I CFA readings.

About the FRM

As the CFA is traditionally linked to an equity analyst, the FRM traditionally served to credentialize a risk manager at a bank. As proof, consider GARP now starts their advertising with "The FRM is not just for risk professionals in banks." Both organizations (CFA Institute and GARP) are actively seeking to broaden their appeal, and in my view they are both succeeding. But the CFA is further along.
I would say that the job market for an FRM is less concretely defined than the market for a CFA. When I talk to people, almost everybody knows what the CFA is. It continues to surprise me that not everybody knows what the FRM is! And if they don't know what it is, then it follows they don't know how much pain it took to earn it. Further, where it is common to see "Chartered Financial Analyst" as a job preference or job requirement, I cannot remember the last time I saw "FRM preferred or required."
But this is mostly due to the relative youth of the FRM credential. Risk is a hot topic and the FRM has a very bright future. Academic institutions are a rapidly growing FRM constituency. Both the CFA Institute and GARP (who administers the FRM) actively seek to partner with universities. Also, regulatory bodies. Even energy companies. And most recently, insurance companies. (In addition to the original constituencies, commercial banks and central/regulatory banks).
I would say that, against the traditional risk manager job market, the FRM is a solid and valued credential. But some qualifiers:

• Unlike the CFA which has no direct competition, the FRM has direct competition in the Professional Risk Manager (PRM) certification (so you have two choices for a risk designation)
• If you want to be an equity analyst, the CFA might be all you need (I would argue it is a pinnacle designation for many careers). At the moment, the FRM is generally (in my opinion) a complementary sort of credential, not a destination unto itself.

As mentioned before, GARP is growing fast (20-30% per year) so they don't have a continuing education program yet. Their online resources are coming into their own. And, where the CFA Curriculum is a case study in purposeful, well-organized content, the FRM is a bit uneven in areas (e.g., some of the quant readings are stale; operational risk it tough to cover and it shows). These "growing pain" challenges aside, I am partial to the FRM: I think the five competencies (quantitative, market risk, credit risk, operational risk, and investment risk) provide a great blend of both foundation and cutting-edge theory. So, you get exposed to the traditional stuff (e.g., portfolio theory,fixed income) but, at the other end of the spectrum, you get to grapple right along with GARP as they grapple with the definition of a new frontier (what is operational risk, after all?) and as they systemize very timely content (e.g., credit derivatives).
Next post, I'll compare the actual exams...

source: CFA versus FRM, Part 1: Job Markets | Bionic Turtle



Regards,
Shyam

[ssu039]

Guys,

2nd article in this series, is about the Exam contents.

CFA versus FRM - part2

This article originally belongs to Bionic Turtle, and was written by
David Harper
CFA, FRM, CIPM

Heres the article in its original context.

Yesterday, I compared job markets served by the CFA and the FRM. Here, I will compare the actual exam contents of the CFA and the FRM. I listed out the major topics and slotted them into the Venn diagram below. Bold indicates an exclusive emphasis (e.g., the CFA has deep content on financial statement analysis, the FRM has none. On the other hand, the FRM has deep coverage of Basel II, while the CFA doesn't mention it). A regular (not bold) is not an exclusive emphasis. For example, asset allocation is covered by the CFA; it is referenced in the FRM, but not really with a robust set of learning outcomes. Similarly, the FRM covers credit risk models with, collectively, quite a few learning outcomes; the CFA does refer to credit portfolio models, but not in much depth.
In the middle is the overlap, those topics where I find the exams to have much in common: basic statistics, volatility & correlation, fixed income, introduction to corporate finance (formalized in the CFA and referenced in piecemeal in the FRM), intro to derivatives, intro to credit risk, credit derivatives, intro to hedge funds, factor models and risk/return metrics (e.g., Sharpe, information ratio).
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The above is a high-level topical comparison. But note another key difference. A difference that is important to, say, a CFA candidate studying for the FRM: the FRM is all about the risk perspective and the application of risk tools. An example might help:

• The CFA itemizes basic credit derivatives like a credit default swap (CDS) or a total rate of return (TROR). Here, to generalize, the emphasis would be on understanding the mechanics of a CDS
• In the FRM, the study of a CDS, I like to say, should happen in two passes: first, to get the mechanics. Second, to analyze the risk transfer (which risks are transferred and which are not? and how does this compare to other financial arrangements that could be used instead).

That is just to say the obvious: that the CFA is about academic mastery (and then some) while the FRM tries very hard to be about the practice of risk measurement and management. For each of the shared topics, this gives rise to a different "angle of approach."
Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA)

The CFA is three exams (Levels I, II, and III). Collectively, it is much broader than the FRM. Here is the topical arrangement:

Topic Area

Level I (%)

Level II (%)

Level III (%)

Ethics

15

10

10

Quantitative Methods

12

5-10

0

Economics

10

5-10

0

Financial Reporting & Analysis

20

15-25

0

Corporate Finance

8

5-15

0

Investment Tools (total)

50

30-60

0

Equity Investments

10

20-30

5-15

Fixed Income

12

5-15

10-20

Derivatives

5

5-15

5-15

Alternative Investments

3

5-15

5-15

Asset Classes (total)

30

35-75

35-45

Portfolio Management & Wealth Planning (total)

5

5-15

45-55

Total

100

100

100

Financial Risk Manager (FRM)
The FRM is only one exam, but in my estimation, it is about 150% to 175% more difficult than either the Level I or Level II CFA. It goes deeper into quantitative methods and some of the exam questions can be surprisingly hard. Here is the topical arrangement (based really on 2007, but should hold up pretty well for 200:

Topic Area

Weight

Quantitative Analysis

10%

Probability
Volatility & Correlation
Extreme value theory (EVT)
Linear regression
Market Risk Measurement & Management

25%

Fixed income
Derivatives (futures, options, swaps)
Value at risk (VaR)
Market risk
Cash flow at risk (CFaR or CaR)
Credit Risk Measurement & Management

30%

Counterparty risk & Securitization
Credit risk (ratings, LGD, credit portfolio models)
Economic capital
Loan portfolio
Credit derivatives (e.g., CDS, CLN, TROR, CDO)
Operational and Enterprise Risk, Legal & Ethics

25%

Operational risk
Model risk
Case studies (e.g., Amaranth, LTCM)
Other TBD (200
Basel II Accord

significant

Investment Management Risk

10%

Factor models (multi-factor, CAPM)
Hedge fund strategies & styles (& HFoF)
Portfolio VaR
Other TBD (200


Source: CFA versus FRM, Part 2: Comparing Exams | Bionic Turtle

Regards,

Shyam

P.S: Please read this article directly from the source, as this article cannot be properly formatted

[ssu039]

Hi Abahay,

Just download the FRM handbook from the links that was posted above this post.

The last section in the handbook contains information on BASEL

Enjoy a good read,

Regards,

Shyam

Originally Posted by rajanprince

Hey

Any one help me in getting Knowledge about Basel.

Thanks

Abahay

[achiles49]

Is the new syllabus for FRM 2008 out....or its same as that of 2007??? Garp site is not updated ......

[andy_jaan]

Originally Posted by rajanprince

Hey

Any one help me in getting Knowledge about Basel.

Thanks

Abahay

I work as Basel consultant and can be of help here
Feel free to shoot queries