[andy_jaan]

Originally Posted by pagalguy

Andy, nothing personal - but I truly don't know of women who'd do this.

Lord,
Honestly speaking pata to mujhe bhi nahin tha per thanks to these "Bold and Beautifool" people we are more "knowledgeable" now

Originally Posted by pagalguy

I now know it can be coached and taught though. As for the 'coaching' part, we have proof that it happens. Apparently every year the students at IIM-C appoint someone to god father the women's hostel team and to teach em how to say the things you heard/saw on the video.

I hope people see that isn't normal behavior and well, if people do start thinking this is normal - a good dose of decency is in order if nothing else

Now this one is a serious concern, if we really mean that "girls from IIMC" can be mis-guided or guided to do things without a degree of personal involvement and acceptance than we really need to re-think on women liberalization all over and stop the coveted Women's reservation bill. Less someone mis-guide our 33% of parliamentarians tomorrow :neutral:
But, PG I still (sincerely) believe this is just that "Truth or Dare" kinda moment and not at all reflects any reality whatsoever.
ANdy

[maverick_srikan]

Originally Posted by pagalguy

Andy, nothing personal - but I truly don't know of women who'd do this. I now know it can be coached and taught though. As for the 'coaching' part, we have proof that it happens. Apparently every year the students at IIM-C appoint someone to god father the women's hostel team and to teach em how to say the things you heard/saw on the video.

I hope people see that isn't normal behavior and well, if people do start thinking this is normal - a good dose of decency is in order if nothing else

Even if the 'coaching' that we are talking about really happens, how does it really matter unless either party is aggreived? Face it, it is a part of college life. Fests happen, there is sledging and hooting. This is probably how it is done here. What gives us the right to impose our sense of decency on this?

Take it in the right spirit guys! Cultures differ, so do opinions. Is it really for the world to comment when brothers in a house abuse one another? Why should this be the case with only these b-schools, why cant we let them be?We might have a culture of alcohol/smokes etc at many colleges. Would that mean we go about imposing rules of 'decency'?

[pagalguy]

Originally Posted by maverick_srikan

Even if the 'coaching' that we are talking about really happens, how does it really matter unless either party is aggreived? Face it, it is a part of college life. Fests happen, there is sledging and hooting. This is probably how it is done here. What gives us the right to impose our sense of decency on this?

Take it in the right spirit guys! Cultures differ, so do opinions. Is it really for the world to comment when brothers in a house abuse one another? Why should this be the case with only these b-schools, why cant we let them be?We might have a culture of alcohol/smokes etc at many colleges. Would that mean we go about imposing rules of 'decency'?

We can't impose rules, nor decide what is moral. But at-least some of us have the ability to know what is tasteful and fun v/s tasteless and crass. Hopefully, people do realize that having fun can be tasteful and fun as well. I truly hope

[shyamnaren]

Firstly, I dont see any reason y this should be reported @ all....this is not unlike Aaj Tak's reporting of "Amitabh Bacchan ko tand lagi" or "commisionar saab ka kutta mila".. as far this display of friendly or otherwise banter is concerned, it is for those individuals 2 decide for themselves whether or not it is ok....who are we to tower in judgement over 'their' choice ?

[Jok3r]

Originally Posted by pagalguy

What I can't justify is 'a coach' who teaches women how to abuse.
A culture which glorifies abuses because that is the way to be.

I hoped to see more class and elan - but I guess that is not to be. But heck, this is not valid in every school.

Agreed...but did this warrant a front page article starting with the words "shocking video" in bold
Tomorrow someone from another college might post an orkut pic(or a youtube video) with a cigarette in hand and PG will post a front page article titled "Shocking pics : students at so & so college smoke!!!"(or booze for that matter)

Even I hoped for more class & elan from PG

What we want to ask is, are we okay with our country's taxpayer-funded educational institutions being utilized this way? Can these campuses ever compete with Harvard and Oxfords of the world? Most importantly, is this the right thing and are you okay with what you see?

Hilarious :laugh:
I half expect Aaj Tak to run the video tomorrow, & they wont even need to make up lines, they can pick up straight from here...

Honestly, does anybody half expect that one wont be able to compete with the harvards & oxfords just because you have coaches who help others abuse

PS : Desiguru was online some time back...no doubt because of this article...would have loved to read his comments

[monsterkartik]

Originally Posted by spirit11

And yes it pricks somewhr when an IIM or an Xlite does this cause they are some of the best minds that we have to offer,and if we xpect them to behave in a more parliamentary way,is it a too far fetch a demand..?

Ok now this makes me make an interprettation that the best brains in the country only go to IIMs/XLRI/FMS. So do you mean to say that the other people who study in other good bschools (including the one you are in) dont have best minds in the country ?? Or you havent seen this happening in your college. Every one knows the rivalry about IMT and IMI, i need not get into those details here.

Ok now my 2 cents

1) I would request all who were present for AIPGM 2008 to get back into time. Yes i request all of you including Apruv to remember few incidents of the ALL India pagalguy Meet 2008 that was concluded at B'lore recently. Now i dont think i need to remind people of the songs that were sung at the death hours of that night in that place. Do i need to specifically put in the name of that song, upload that song ?? Or for that matter the act played on Aarav sir. Werent they against our morals, should some one have captured that on camera and post it on some other site, then would we have taken it in the same spirit we are trying to take this video

2) Who says the best minds dont indulge in using expletives?? Are you sure about this?? All of us know here of the kind of ragging that happens / used to happen at IITs. There are somethings that are supposed to happen and i think we should let them happen rather than creating hue n cry over it. I have been working for last 4 years now, and if you think the best minds dont indulge in such thing or shouldnt indulge in such things then you should be well prepared to get a surprise for yourself. I have seen people right from the top management to the lowest level of office boys using expletives in office, friendly banter with colleagues (using the so called expletives) . Should those guys be hanged ?? or wil you question them by saying is this were the shareholders funds are being used for ?? Lets face it guys, sometimes situation gets tuff and then even if you dont want it you arent left with an option but to use it expletives, here its being used in a good sense of humour, lets not take it to some other level altogether

3) Lets allow these people have atleast some fun in their hectic life. Dont all of us know, what people at an IIM C / Xl or for that matter people at all good b schools go through. 16-18 hours a day of studies, presentations, assignments, surprise quizzes and wat not. They just get a couple of hours for relaxing, having some fun. If they relax like this wats wrong in that?? Some one correctly pointed out that to understand this, yuo need to be either from Joka or XL. Do we even know how high the emotions are runnig at this even. ( major junta knows that this is one of the most famous B school events happening Pan India). AFAIK Its is a question of life or death for them, so in that heat of things any one might indulge into the so called using of expletives

4) About Tax payers money - Its a matter of fact that IIMs dont rely too much on governemnt assistance. They even want to be autonomous and hence are not much interested in the government money. And the total tax we are paying doesnt go to IIMs or IITs. Not even a material chuck goes to these instis. So lets not talk about our tax money being wasted here. As such the tax money is not utilised in a great way anywhere else. Using the same logic, if at office i indulge in some cribbing, or use some expletives, then as per this logic, i am wasting the shareholders funds. Everyone knows / does the same in their offices respectively so that means all of us are committing crime and that should also be hyped here on such one thread ??

My suggestion here would be, lets close this thread and close this chapter once for all

Cheers

MK

[maverick_srikan]

Originally Posted by pagalguy

We can't impose rules, nor decide what is moral. But at-least some of us have the ability to know what is tasteful and fun v/s tasteless and crass. Hopefully, people do realize that having fun can be tasteful and fun as well. I truly hope

Probably that is their way of having fun. Why should we comment on/expose it? Isn't it something that is personal to the institute? Why is it necessary that it fit the general perception of what is right. They are a group of people having a meet. and they are enjoying it. What is the issue? I don't see how we are in any way involved.

[Aarav]

Originally Posted by monsterkartik

1) I would request all who were present for AIPGM 2008 to get back into time. Yes i request all of you including Apruv to remember few incidents of the ALL India pagalguy Meet 2008 that was concluded at B'lore recently. Now i dont think i need to remind people of the songs that were sung at the death hours of that night in that place. Do i need to specifically put in the name of that song, upload that song ?? Or for that matter the act played on Aarav sir. Werent they against our morals, should some one have captured that on camera and post it on some other site, then would we have taken it in the same spirit we are trying to take this video

MK

Apurv, was that act anywhere near to what you have posted here?
Apologies, as we don't want to get to another thing here, but I have been wondering since the thread has been started on the multiple standards being used in evaluating things.

[aim-wsc]

This is truly saddening! Although it might be common in b-schools in India. (I dont know much about it ?though?) This is outrageous. A very immature act. & if these kids think they'd impress the viewers by uploading such clip on public site, I'd doubt their class & maturity.

I completely agree with spirit11@post#3.
A note to add about Harvard MBA students: I know they are very down-to-earth & humble, during their MBA.
Anyways thats not the issue. I dont care about from where this video came from. all I know is this is not appropriate & nothing to feel proud about.

Apurv & team, although the forums dont allow below 13 persons, you guys should add a cautionary note for such videos.
The video is certainly not for sesitive people. Belive me, I'd been disturbed for 1-2 hours since I watched the clip.
By the way I am a hardcore engineer & spent most of my engg years in hostel. Eventhough such things happen during engg games season I would call it childish & crass.
be it any group of people: from b-grade college or from IIM... My post would have been the same, had there been male-students instead of female ones. It's not OK. It just cannnot be justified.
And Pagalguy.com has done the right thing, bringing such issue on forums for debate.

[harshadk]

PG has stooped to a low I could have never imagined, all for the sake of publicity and hits. What's your intention? Unbelievable.

For the record, I NEVER swear. But I am all for freedom. If both sides don't have an issue with it, I can't see what PG's ( or for that matter anybody else's ) problem is. You have a problem if and when somebody objects.

And as monster says, how about remembering what goes on in AIPGM ? Why the hypocrisy, guys ?

To quote from the article, 'All of us at the PaGaLGuY office were appalled at the video. '

What a hoot, guys ! So you have one standard for yourself and one for others just because they are in the top b-schools ? Justify this.

Pray, where does tax-payers money come into the picture? What nonsense? Do you'll know that IIMs A, B and C do NOT receive funding from the govt? They are self-sufficient. And as far as I knew, XLRI is a private college. And even if they were getting funds, what's the relevance?

I am really, really appalled at this.

Disappointed :(

Harshad