[spirit11]

I was one of the first ones to share my opinions @this thread on my opinion regarding this whole episode..and I didn't reply or took it personally when someone quoted me or said me that he didn't agree with my views..(we are not livin in nazi germany,or are we...??)..

So,here are my two cents of advice..(for watever they are worth for..):

1) Puys,Share your views,dont try to counter others views,all have there beliefs and we cant change them overnight through and inspirational post can we..??

2)Don't take it personally,I am sure there will be enough people around you to fight with,so stop gettin over fights @Internet Make Love not War..as some wise man once said...

An oh so Optimist Hope:"we reaching a conclusion @ this Hot topic by judgement day.."

One last line:when i had replied to this thread i knew this thread will be a real hot one for the next few days,but it would be so hot i really hadn't thought...

Have a Nice One Puys..

P.S-> Does Some one debate about the whole political situation in our country right now..??

Cheerzz..

[reachmonil]

Originally Posted by Derrida

Is it? Then this thread is not for you. Please delete your post and don't come back. You are morally corrupt and should be ashamed that you didn't know it till now.

Personal attack. Banned for 1 week.

A view that you don't subscribe to may be countered by your reasoning for the stand that you have taken without resorting to personal attack.

[gvi.shekar]

Guess time for the thread to be locked now I guess
It has run its course, personal egos being ignited.
Whats done is done, the only thing that remains to be seen is does this occur again.
Some of the best minds in the country, most of whom will play a key part in shaping the countrys future are the culprits here.

Culprits or victims of tradition, who are they actually?

[andy_jaan]

Originally Posted by reachmonil

Personal attack. Banned for 1 week.

A view that you don't subscribe to may be countered by your reasoning for the stand that you have taken without resorting to personal attack.

ROTFL ....... and few people thought its sarcasm at its best........btw even I could have believed it had there been just a single disclaimer anywhere, but no doubt if that tackle should be called foul, Great decision Monil ...by all means you are our Pierluigi Collina

ANdy

[vibranture-]

Courage.

Its a quality that is often in short supply - in both private and public spheres.

On a daily basis, standing up to our convictions often takes great courage.

Specifically because such a stance often puts us in situations where we risk losing - sometimes a lot.

I believe that PG was wrong in publishing the video, misguided in putting it on the front page and lacking in restraint in the tone/headline of the article.

But in refusing to stand down in the face of vehement opposition and in continuing to embrace a position that they hold to be true uncaring of the losses that might be incurred, PG has acted with admirable courage.

Individually, and as a business, it is far too easy to take the path of least resistance aided by encouraging voices of "Why bother? "This happens everywhere." "This is how things are - be wordly-wise." Its refreshing to see PG marching to its own music.

Going beyond all the differences of opinion expressed in this thread perhaps its time that (at least) some of the people at the PG decision-making level got the kudos they deserve.

Team PG (esp. Allwin, Apurv), I hope that the best of the qualities displayed by you in this episode will keep you fine company in the battles ahead.

[The Raven]

Originally Posted by itsrahul

The evenings are reserved for parties and this is where you see the light side of people. Girls from a top school (say X) were seen licking the necks of guys from other schools if they agreed to get a tatoo of X on them. No one raised an eyebrow on this and it was all taken in good taste.

Hm... Interesting. I am sure thats ultimate liberalization all women right activitists have been fighting for - the right to lick the necks of supporters of the opponent team to convert them. We must fight for the rights of our women to do the same also.

Btw, what was taken in good taste - the events or the necks? I hope the guys at least washed their necks.

No offence meant. But I found this idea of girls licking necks ludicrous and that being viewed as a model behaviour. Thats just my view point. If thats the direction people want to move, its everyone's free will. Everyone has his or her own view of ideal society and try to take society in the direction they like. The actualy direction is the way majority want.

[Jokerr]

Originally Posted by gvi.shekar

Some of the best minds in the country, most of whom will play a key part in shaping the countrys future

good to hear words of extreme optimism in these days of economic gloom .. ....

Is the power of choosing good and evil taken away so comprehensively by circumstances tht a bunch of post graduates can be construed as victims of tradition ?...tuff to reason so !!

[Apurv]

Originally Posted by thedragonreborn

Having said that though, I would strongly protest the method adopted at the display of dismay. PG has been that most coveted of places, one where all aspects of discussions are gently understated and relevant, thanks to the untiring efforts of the bunch who work hard to keep it that way. To find "Shocking Video: Indian Institutes of Tasteless Swearing " staring in ones' unwashed, sleep laden lamps of sight, while on vacation, has the most unpleasant of effects.

In the whole course of the debate here, I see one argument made by a lot of people and we do agree with.

The way we put up the article, the point of what we really had to say did get lost and we are not very happy with it. As a result, it does seem to have come off in a way that we are trying to single out XLRI and IIM C while this happens at a lot more places in different forms. I agree that we could have done a better job of the article.

In order to make amends, I am revising the title and contents of the thread and the story on the front page. The gist of the debate as identified by a lot of people here stays.

Cheers,

[grondmaster]

Nearly 5 days since this thread started.
Took me over an hour and a third to go through all the posts. Mind you, I spent time in choosing what to read, and what not to. Posts that were un-useful rants against or for the topic were speed-read, posts that were sensible, debate-worthy, were read thoroughly.

Disclaimer: Patchwork material going on. Don't expect two paras to be related to each other. Read them as a single entity within the whole post, or at the most, related to the para above and/or below. Also, most of it is a rant on the issue at hand, just my feelings on the matter.

Before I start out, let me give my reason why I was absent for so long. (Andy - You asked that question here, right?) Well, I first saw this thread when it was exactly 11 posts old. Did not post then coz youtube being banned in office, I couldn't see the video. The next day early morning I left for a tour of Haryana where internet connectivity was an absolute rarity till yesterday. Saw the furore created on the thread, decided to wait till an opportune time to read thoroughly and then post.

I am not going to comment on:
1. Whether the video is appalling or not.
2. Whether PGHQ was right in putting it up in this manner or not.
3. Whether the girls in the video have lost their minds or not.

I just came back from a sales stint in rural Haryana, in places where roaming around in the open after 9 PM is a dare against death. My roommate has been to even worse places. Try generating sales there and not cursing your life. Girls in my team were sent to much more civilized places. Yet they overheard the sales guys complain that they won't be able to use uncivil language in the office anymore - there were females around. Truth be told, life is a b***h, and cursing is considered by many a form of release, and by some a method of getting work done. I quoted the above example to show that it's there, no matter what you do.

On the other hand, I am also reminded of something I learnt when I was 6. The panchsheel, or the 5 basic precepts of The Buddha's teaching.
They are that: Thou shalt not kill, steal, commit debauchery, lie, & indulge in vices. The others not related here, but the lying part is expanded: By that single word 'lie', we do not mean untruth. But it involves any act of speech that is immoral. And that, I think, involves cursing.

My take on the whole issue is similar to what many sane minds have said before this. It is that the 'traditions', continued by many batches of bschool students across the country within their hostels, who should be held culprits for such nonsense. Two things emerge:

• One, whether they are required or not, and
• Two, why the secrecy?

As far as necessity goes, I don't understand the logic that proponents of these traditions put forward as arguments for their continuity. True, some of these traditions are ice breakers, but not many others are necessary to continue throughout the year. Pendy's tale of the Top 5 tells me that such a tradition should actually be in the Top 5 things to be purged out of the system. Any other reason is just pfaff, and has no foundation.

As far as the secrecy aspect goes... hmmm... I agree that it creates a sort of an image that goes beyond the official - a pseudo, colourful, enticing shadow that looks alluring just behind the main facade. But should that have such a strong impact on the aspirant? I would blame the IIMs, especially Ahmedabad, for continuing to furthur such nonsense. And if a IIM student/alumnus has any opposition to what I say, please, do first rationally answer the two questions I have asked. If your answers are logical and rational, I shall retract my statements that mindless traditions are to blame.

I like to research about quiz material. I came up across this one, don't know how true it is: Ostriches, when they sense danger, dig a hole and bury their heads in it. When they can't see the danger, it sure isn't existing, right? A similar thing about those who know and yet don't worry about such matters. Them, I'd call ostriches. The ostriches know that there are issues surrounding the bschools in India, but choose to ignore them, thinking that they'll run away. Thy don't.

The 2004, 2006 cases discussed here - well, I know of them in detail. Apurv had come over to my place once long back in 2006, just after the 2006 case had occured. We were discussing the 'ragging' incidents in my college - fun stuff, if anyone wants details shall put them up - and then discussion veered to the 2006 incident. I also spoke about incidents in other Bschools that I had heard about (I don't remember those names now) and the kind of incidents that took place. I had then asked him about putting it up on the forum - and he gave me logical answers. Whistle blowers should remain anonymous, and if the person's name is about to be opened, the release should be stopped. Otherwise, Satyendra Dubey would have been alive today. But that's a different story.

PaGaLGuY.com started off as a forum for BSchool aspirants to come together, and help each other. As the member base grew, so did the matters that the site addressed. Although, today, the core competency of the forum remains the same - helping BSchool aspirants - it has many other facets of MBA to look at. It now performs a duty that no first party can - that of an unbiased but detailed information database about one hydra named the Indian MBA. If at times it has to report something that does not display a rosy picture, I guess there's nothing wrong in that. Its just doing its job. No need to malefy the medium for the messiness of the matter.

End of Rant. Took an hour odd to write. Thank you for reading.

Regards,
Grondmaster

[kbipul]

Originally Posted by gvi.shekar

Guess time for the thread to be locked now I guess
It has run its course, personal egos being ignited.
Whats done is done, the only thing that remains to be seen is does this occur again.
Some of the best minds in the country, most of whom will play a key part in shaping the countrys future are the culprits here.

Culprits or victims of tradition, who are they actually?

i second you. Everyone has clung to his own ego and its impossible to convince anyone for anything.
Its my request to the administrator to lock the thread