[Apurv]

Originally Posted by murty001

People who can take this forum in its new role will stay, about the rest, nobody cares. As for me, I will hang around as long as gnr doesn't use the red button .

Thanks Murty, but let me use your post to clarify something that might be a potential concern.

This is no 'new role' for PG. We have always been activist in our attitude, we have always refused money from b-schools that ask us to compromise the community, we have always brought to light maladies whenever we came across them. Only that this time, instead of admissions and placements it was about culture - which turns out is more explosive than admissions and placements. Nothing new for PG if you notice. Everything is the same.

We are not on a hunt on B-schools - we do not have an investigative journalism department at PG where a team of 5 reporters is paid only to find out the dark side of MBA and report it here - nor do we intend to be that.

We'll always work WITH b-schools - and with IIM Calcutta we always have - though only XLRI GMP has been responsive with us. But, once in a while we will bring to light what we feel a potential applicant should know about. And the fact that a b-school has worked with us long does not buy it that immunity - if you reap the benefits of PG and it's huge number of people - you must also be comfortable with the other side of the coin which shows up once in a million times. Just like somebody who advertises with us does not have the right to ask for the deletion of a thread that speaks against them.


Cheers,

[billybolimeeaaaw]

WoW! What took PagalGuy so long to upload the video if they wanted to upload it at all ? This is a very old video and is just one among the many others floating across top B schools.
Just a few thoughts on a few points...
PG has sufficient publicity already!! The number of members says it all... so who ever accuses this to be a publicity stunt, might want to rethink. PG's mission has been to get the inside stories frm B-schools to the aspirants and general public. I remember thr were stories on GIM placements... Great work done tht way as PG continues to achieve its objective.
Next, when westerners abuse eachothers with f words, b words and m words - they are all fine - even inside corporate offices & B schools. So, if that be the case, the Indian versions of the same words shud be acceptable as well. McD's Aloo Tikki burger is now Global for instance. Why just westerners, students across the globe (including Indians) use such swears - it is the context that matters. Dont we use slangs in our day to day conversations with friends? What if I record it on a mobile cam and float it across on YouTube?? Will it also account to "...taxpayer's money" ?
Warm Regards,
Meeaaaw

[harish.gupta]

Really .... a few casual words ....

u compared it with high school sports meet .... is thr not a big difference b/w a high school n a well renowned IIM .... I thought thr is ... but if you are saying whatever shown in the video is rt then ....... I wud have to change my thoughts ....

the words have a varied meaning for different ppl .... as u have explained cleverly .... I second that .... probably this is the reaosn why ppl are posting their thoughts here .... can u explain the meaning to an HOD .... ? for him what is wrong .... is wrong ...

we are in 21st century ..... so we are eligible to do anything what we want .... ? naaaaah ..... we are still the part of society .... so have to live according to social norms .... justification is accepted only if it is changing the view of society in a positive sense .... shall we accept it a positive move to show your "friendly" behavior to other B-School ....

Tax payers' money seems irrelevant .....

[andy_jaan]

Originally Posted by Apurv

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Someone asked me for proof that people in the video above were indeed coached. As I said, we showed the video to a few people from both schools and asked for their opinions while promising them confidentiality. They all had different opinions, but all of them corroborated on that one fact - that a 'father' from PGP 2nd year is selected to coach the women students to abuse.

Oh Apurv,
The more you'll emphasize on this the more harm you'll do to your cause
Seriously brother you are trying to sound as though their is some subject dedicate to "teach and learn" swearing in IIMC and they have faculty exchange program running for the same.:huh::sarcasm:Anyways I still believe IIMC students' association allows some students to pass and get diploma with out this compulsory course.

Originally Posted by Apurv

........We just wanted to point out this one thing - that applicants and their parents should know before they join an institute - that a culture of coaching in abusing exists there. If somebody thinks we are trying to stop people from joining IIM C or XLRI - it is a creation of their own imagination - a conclusion they jumped to - and we do not subscribe to it.

Hey Apurv I enjoyed your blog on flicker a lot, awesome man!! May be its time for a small break from this culture defining/chasing/proving for a couple of days and bless your fans (read Andy) with few more lovely shots of nature And just to be politically correct yes this video is some incident but certainly not defines any culture.

Originally Posted by Apurv

We personally think that both IIM C and XLRI rock as schools and both of these schools are in top 5 in PG's owb B-school Rankings. But, one of the schools has a questionable cultural pocket that people need to know about.

Now three things here,

1. Primarily I have my objection on the highlighted word as you will appreciate that this can be well used against you and to question the intentions behind this thread.
2. Secondly after this level of growth of our forum I guess time has come to create a totally neutral position of "Speaker (Lok-Shabha like)" on PG and for this we all look forward to you Apurv. I mean you could have easily opened this discussion without taking any side as such and moderated it well, may be with a conclusion in the end if must.
3. Lastly there is a general understanding that we are not supposed to get very personal during our comments on individuals, but am I wrong in assuming that the same "protection" is available to institutes too??

Originally Posted by Apurv

........By putting this post here, we know and are fully aware that we might become very very unpopular and we are okay with it.

Whereas by seeing the level of discussion and variety of participants I thought PG has touched new heights of popularity.:sarcasm:

Originally Posted by Apurv

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In the last few years, here are a few things that have been brought to light either by users or us...

a) XLRI ragging
b) IMT Ghaziabad's style of publishing their placement reports - the thread was a boiling pot
c) An apparent war between IIFT Delhi and IIFT Kolkata over placements - with IIFT administration and PR agency calling us to delete the thread while not denying the incident despite our pointed asking repeatedly
d) Fudging of figures in placement reports in general
e) MICA's apparent mismanagement of admission lists - after PG did a story they changed their list and last I remember, you guys loved it
f) XLRI Singapore's taking application money for a course they never started - they refunded the money back after we took up the issue

PG Rocks PG Rules Ye hai PG Meri Jaan

Originally Posted by Apurv

......... As far as I can see, there are an equal number of people here who are questioning faulty cultural pockets in institutions and two of them are from the absolute best b-school in the country. So this is not an irrelevant issue.

I raised this issue in lighter vein few posts back but no wonder it was overlooked
So lemme state this pretty direct: Very very few people can actually debate without pre-judice, and no wonder you see puys selecting one side of an argument and than thanking all the posts favoring it and ridiculing, overlooking or even groaning the rest. It's ok for junta but Admin and Mods being official ambassadors should be exemplary in practicing neutrality. So don't overlook that your two are out numbered by twenty others on this very thread. :( Though under concept of unbiasedness I accept that these numbers are not the only verdict. The only thing I would like to highlight is that please see all posts equally and if you can acknowledge the two posters here than by any means many others have not done very bad either, please quote few names and logics from opposite sides too.

Originally Posted by Apurv

And if the above blog post and a few emails in our inbox are to be believed, all people in XLRI and IIM C are not okay with IIM C sledging during the sports meet.

Yeah very true but than who stops them from changing things at their institutes itself, if they can outwit lacs for those seats in IIMs than they there's no point they should not be able to by-pass others at their own institutes.Making secret posts/messages to public forums makes their case weak and put a question mark on their acumen, courage, intentions and upto a certain degree on integrity.

Originally Posted by Apurv

Not everyone wants to follow the sheep mentality. Some of them have the courage to stand up and speak out. Others are too complacent to act and remain silent. Doesn't mean they are okay with it.

May we know why this highlighted part be not considered as mere imagination??

Originally Posted by Apurv

Whatever be the case - we will not brush it under the carpet because some people find it "not PG", even if we become unpopular and some people decide to stop surfing it.

Actually this quitting culture is really serious, I mean no-one should be allowed to sensationalize his/her resignation as PG still leaves members without taking any no-dues. So please guys stop acting Dhara Kid "Sab gussa karte hain, Main ghar chhod ke ja raha hoon" So l request to snip all those posts glorifying resignations and replace with a notice that user is on Sabbatical

Originally Posted by Apurv

.......... But, once in a while we will bring to light what we feel a potential applicant should know about. .........

Apurv you are quite right in putting the role that PG plays in hundreds of MBA admissions in India and Abroad today and thats why everyone wants PG to be doubly sure of its actions. In this particular case, it has been made to look as if one is really under pressure to do things against his/her will in a particular B school and am afraid this can deprive India of few Indra Nooyis !!
Anyone still carrying doubts regarding the culture of said institute can visit this.
With Regards,
ANdy
P.S.
Lateral thoughts:-

1. Why this thread is not being closed when almost everyone has posted his/her points at least thrice, or we seriously expecting Madam Nooyi to come and defend her alumni.
2. Are we not losing on the chance of a popular soft drink sponsoring AIPGM in near future ??:huh::huh:
3. Thanks God no one is interested in video of guys swearing else we will need not just one thread but a entire separate forum to upload those 9574 Tera bytes of clips.

[harish.gupta]

Originally Posted by monsterkartik

Ok now this makes me make an interprettation that the best brains in the country only go to IIMs/XLRI/FMS. So do you mean to say that the other people who study in other good bschools (including the one you are in) dont have best minds in the country ?? Or you havent seen this happening in your college. Every one knows the rivalry about IMT and IMI, i need not get into those details here.

Ok now my 2 cents

1) I would request all who were present for AIPGM 2008 to get back into time. Yes i request all of you including Apruv to remember few incidents of the ALL India pagalguy Meet 2008 that was concluded at B'lore recently. Now i dont think i need to remind people of the songs that were sung at the death hours of that night in that place. Do i need to specifically put in the name of that song, upload that song ?? Or for that matter the act played on Aarav sir. Werent they against our morals, should some one have captured that on camera and post it on some other site, then would we have taken it in the same spirit we are trying to take this video

2) Who says the best minds dont indulge in using expletives?? Are you sure about this?? All of us know here of the kind of ragging that happens / used to happen at IITs. There are somethings that are supposed to happen and i think we should let them happen rather than creating hue n cry over it. I have been working for last 4 years now, and if you think the best minds dont indulge in such thing or shouldnt indulge in such things then you should be well prepared to get a surprise for yourself. I have seen people right from the top management to the lowest level of office boys using expletives in office, friendly banter with colleagues (using the so called expletives) . Should those guys be hanged ?? or wil you question them by saying is this were the shareholders funds are being used for ?? Lets face it guys, sometimes situation gets tuff and then even if you dont want it you arent left with an option but to use it expletives, here its being used in a good sense of humour, lets not take it to some other level altogether

3) Lets allow these people have atleast some fun in their hectic life. Dont all of us know, what people at an IIM C / Xl or for that matter people at all good b schools go through. 16-18 hours a day of studies, presentations, assignments, surprise quizzes and wat not. They just get a couple of hours for relaxing, having some fun. If they relax like this wats wrong in that?? Some one correctly pointed out that to understand this, yuo need to be either from Joka or XL. Do we even know how high the emotions are runnig at this even. ( major junta knows that this is one of the most famous B school events happening Pan India). AFAIK Its is a question of life or death for them, so in that heat of things any one might indulge into the so called using of expletives

4) About Tax payers money - Its a matter of fact that IIMs dont rely too much on governemnt assistance. They even want to be autonomous and hence are not much interested in the government money. And the total tax we are paying doesnt go to IIMs or IITs. Not even a material chuck goes to these instis. So lets not talk about our tax money being wasted here. As such the tax money is not utilised in a great way anywhere else. Using the same logic, if at office i indulge in some cribbing, or use some expletives, then as per this logic, i am wasting the shareholders funds. Everyone knows / does the same in their offices respectively so that means all of us are committing crime and that should also be hyped here on such one thread ??

My suggestion here would be, lets close this thread and close this chapter once for all

Cheers

MK

aaah .... I was not thr in PagalGuy meet in B'lore but .... what so ever had happened may be wrong ..... may be same as what happened in IIMC. .... but the difference is ..... you are meeting with whatever you have learnet in past. But in a b-school u are learning something, u are staying thr .... n then implementing. .... stop justifying video .... because this way u can justify murder even ........

abusing smone is not restricted in the law/constitution of india (until reported) .... but society do restrict such act ..... What do u want to say .... if smone have done this smwhr in the world, u also got the rights ..... ???????????????????

If you are in IIM C then do u think whatever u do is correct .... ?

Smoking is also a tool for releasing pressure (a common and unrealistic perception) ..... but does that make it right ... ? its may be chioce of individual .... but does that make it good ... ????

[kbipul]

I think that this moral policing should be stopped. Firstly, Its the right of every person to behave in anyway he wants ( the fact that the society's rules should also be followed is also true). The only mistake that has taken place in this case is that the video was published on Youtube and moreover PG. If you visit Youtube then you would find hundreds of such videos floating around carrying the 'student activities' in IIMs and IITs.

Secondly, the students of IIM C are smart and mature enough to understand the consequence of their action. And they have proved that they are intelligent too. They have done all this in goo humor. Isn't it true that this kind of lingo is very rampant in educational institutes, esp. engineering colleges? So they have done what they do in the normal public life, there is nothing strange in it. So why cry over this. Infact, I know one of the girls present in the video, she was the smartest, most intelligent, and also the most mature girl in the class.

Thirdly, its we all who are raising a hue and cry over this matter and creating lot of negative publicity. This matter should not be given any extra and special treatment..... Chill out guys, this is what everyone of us wants to do during any competitive events. These girls had the courage to express the feelings in words. We cannot crucify them for this..........

[abhishek1711]

Originally Posted by Apurv

Thanks Murty, but let me use your post to clarify something that might be a potential concern.

This is no 'new role' for PG. We have always been activist in our attitude, .....
Cheers,

comments like PG did this to gain publicity - thts a gross thought. PG never cared more about "hits" - always stood by mba community - lets not defame its 5 yr service to MBA fraternity with such thoughts !

[abhishek1711]

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[gantis]

Puys,

I still dont understand the purpose of opening this thread. Is this to disparage the IIM or are we questioning the culture of the B-school or are we just trying to create a topic:

I see no offense in this. Did XLRI show any concern over the behaviour of the gals: If not, we also should not be bothered about it. It must be taken sportively as the XL rightly did.

And if there is a song called GMD by XL and makes no offense or questions the integrity of the esteemed institution, ...these verbal vollies seem no offensive for me Now, please chill and dont get toomuch involved in it.
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P.S I was told by some Pgite about the exitence of B-school rivalries and if they do exist this is no big deal.

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