[abhishek1711]

for god's sake stop defending this behavior - it worsens the blow !!!

Old PG Days ??? am proud of PG today - u got to standby whats fair. - and thts the momemnt of truth - test of character.

Charachhhhter assassssiiinaatttioon - first go an get one :2gunfire:

Originally Posted by comingback2life

Accepted.But how do you define crass behavior? Is the video more crass or is labelling all the IIM's(even when you apparently have a video of just IIMC what gives you the right and incentive to generalize?) as "Indian Institutes of Tasteless Swearing" (on the basis of one tiny sneak peek that you accidentally got into their variegated lives) on the home page crass? And of course there is a debate on the ethics of swearing but lets leave that. Enough has been said already,all I would say is that character assassination and such hasty branding are unjustified when all you have is a 10 s video to try and comprehend what goes on inside and the spirit of these institutes.You have not even bothered to find out the context and gather some concrete facts and evidence...for all you know they might have been doing voluntarily. In fact if you observe the video there are many girls who seem to have just joined the group and not participating.
btw dont you ever lie or cheat? Dont you have dark moments in your life? Does that make you decadent and "tasteless" in character. Point is that one off acts dont define any system.Also you knew about these facts all along. Leaving the video aside,its strange that if you felt so strongly about it you never cared to discuss this so called "sexual objectification" etc etc before, except when you got some cue by accidental means. I mean if I felt so strongly about something I would want to talk about it no matter what and hunt for facts to support it.
I feel very strongly for PG and am writing all this only so that I can contribute to the discussion in my way. However I am not going to my personal blog or anything to vent out my disappointment with PG and labelling it as a publcity monger because I know that there is more to it than just this one off thread and what many like me feel-a going overboard on their part...JLT I would like to share something our Social Transformation prof(wonderful fellow) shared with us which seems apt

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.
Voltaire



sigh....Miss the old PG days:sarcasm:

[murty001]

A good post by dragon. By far, the most well-balanced post in the whole thread, IMO.

The article accompanying the video is debatabe and I had made it clear in my very first post on the thread. And folks at IIMC can just put their institute tag aside for a moment and try to think neutrally. Atleast 95% of the junta who are posting here have no intention of maligning the image of the institute. IIMC has established its reputation over the years, and that cannot be held ransom for the indiscretion shown by a few blockheads. Also, traditions created by a group of individuals who don't even know if something called decency exists in this universe, doesn't automatically become the tradition of a top-class institute.

Personally, I am not trying to take a moral high ground and preach to the whole world here that using expeltives is crass behaviour and you should open your mouth only to let out "hari-om". That doesn't happen, atleast in this world. What is ridiculous is that people here have come to defend it in the name of tradition and culture.

For the people who have quoted examples of India-Pak matches, events happening in a football match in a sports fest between two institutes etc. A casual look into the video will tell you the following

1) The video wasn't taken when there was any sort of competition going on between the students of the two rival institutes

2) The video wasn't taken when a group of individuals were discussing amongst themselves their own views and in that process, using some expletives

3) The video wasn't taken when some group of students, obviosly frustrated by some happenings were venting out their fury.

The video clearly shows that the students just ganged up for fun and started hurling abuses. What's more, the video was uploaded on the net. May I know the reason as to why the video was uploaded in the first place? Was it done to go one up on the XLers? Or was it done to demean the name of the concerned institute? If it was private, it had to be kept private. What is the fun in uploading it on the web?

Also, since India-Pak matches have been quoted, has anyone ever seen the entire Indian team gang up and shout expletives against the rival country just for fun?

People who come in now and go through the entire thread will not at all find the video shocking. What they will find shocking is the way some alumni have decided to come down and defend it by saying that it is a part of their tradition. And what more, such people claim to have high IQ.

Off now for sometime from this thread. It is seriosly disappointing to read some of the views on this thread. And what more, it has highly demotivated me in my preparations. I just hope that the discussion takes a turn in the right direction.

Cheers..

[Nooruddin]

What the hell??? It's absolutely not fair to single out XL and IIM-C as it's been done here. Things like this happen and it is just their (read XL and IIM-C) idea of fun. And, this is not happening in public. It happened in one of the campuses, and was in view only to the students in question.

And, the crap about Taxpayer's money is all Bull****!!! Look at the fees IIMs charge. Next thing we know PG would be pushing for a ban on international placements at government-owned institutions just because 'Taxpayers' money is spent on IIMs and IITs.

There are enough media players who are into the 'sensationalising-the-news' business. We are good without you joining them.

Take a break, PG!

P.S. This message is for all those guys who are with PG on this.

[The Raven]

Now that we have had lot of views and counter views on the issue, shall we see what is the productive outcome we expect out of this.

As per my understanding, the video is just an example to show that youth culture is detoriating. So the problem to be addressed is bringing back good manners among today's youth. I don't know about tax payer money and all that stuff. Tax payer money is wasted on all kinds of stuff of which I am sure IIT/IIMs will be a minor percentage. But the fact is the people clearing IIT JEE and CAT are the cream of the nation (Including people from other prestigous Indian universities like XLRI, NITS who have proven their mettle through other competetive exams as well) and the country looks up to them to lead the way. So having made it into these elite institutions, we must be ready for public scrutiny of our behaviour. We get so much respect and premium in pay package and responsible positions in the industry. With this comes a huge responsibility. So we must take the responsibility to show the youth of the nation the lead through exemplary behaviour.

So the question is how do we do that? The institutions can bring strict rules and regulate our behaviour. But institute rules often go overboard and end up completely restricting freedom. Someone told me IIT-M professors wanted to cancel Sarang. And I already mentioned about strict rules at IIM-A. I don't think thats the way to go. We are building technology and business leaders for the country and they are not built in a jails or military camps.

So it should be a self regulating mechanism to bring about such a cultural change. So can we focus our discussion on how to bring about such a change?

Ps. I am sorry if I sound pompous and preachy. These are just my genuine thoughts on following this discussion

[arun_juee]

Hi,

I have a Qs for all of us,
I hope lots of us listed to the music files/videos of
1. B*****d Sutta
2. G*D
3. Early Days @ Joka
etc and enjoyed very much. We told our friends about these entertainments and circulated and forwarded them to distant friends. Once we are in office (I am part of an Org which is considered one of top Consultancies across the globe) we browse youtube, watched these (type) of videos to relax.

So, why reacting so much with this video?

Later.
Arun

P.S.-for those who have not heard sutta song please listen to last minute of the song.

[rockball]

Nothing wrong in letting your hair down and a bit of profanity for the sake of gamesmanship. Our generation hasn't really grown up with very strong views against swearing. Except for our time as kids, who has been looked down upon by friends, family or society for use of such language.

To think of it, yes the colleges are not imparting the moral education that is necessary for the youth to become so-called leaders of the country. In fact in a lot of cases a lot is being done against it by the alumni. Aren't there alumni who try to propagate their culture to the upcoming students and instill a sense of malicious competition with other colleges?

The issue here should not be the tasteless swearing(I do believe swearing can be tasteful) but the issue should be whether competition is taking a turn for the worse.

[abhishek1711]

unverified -

SNIP
Reason given in the post below.

[monsterkartik]

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Dude, its a sincere request to remove these names from the post, please edit it asap . This is no way to put up some names here , if they committed a crime, i think you are also doing the same by specifying all these names and uploading these videos on different sites and your blog. Would again request you to edit your post

Cheers

MK

[Apurv]

Originally Posted by abhishek1711

unverified -


Reason given in the post below.

The point of this debate is not to single out a person and humiliate them, but is about the culture at the institutes. That is why we spent a whole day learning how to edit videos and blur out those faces in-house.

Request all to not reveal names and identities as the larger point gets lost.

[shrikanthk]

Originally Posted by rockball

To think of it, yes the colleges are not imparting the moral education that is necessary for the youth to become so-called leaders of the country.

I don't think colleges ought to be in the business of imparting moral education

I fail to comprehend why we're talking abt educational institutions while discussing an issue which is clearly beyond their realm. India today is in the throes of a cultural revolution similar to what the West experienced in the sixties. Ideas of what constitutes acceptable behavior have altered radically. I'm not trying to launch a defence of contemporary culture. But it is pointless to be a "Golden Age-ist" yearning for a way of life that has for better or worse gone with the wind.

We're living in an era where a Best-Picture Oscar winning film features over 230 instances of the f-word and its derivatives. So there's no point in longing for behavioral patterns that would've pleased Emily Post