[deepu]

Originally Posted by Oxymoron

Ok amidst all the allegations ,counter allegations and general lack of coherence in many arguments there is one teeny weeny detail I hope to get clarified.

All the people who are harping on the "sensation" bit and claiming this is surely Pagalguy.com's answer to what's-it's-name tabloid or channel I am very curious to know how they worked out that more number of hits means more revenues? I mean surely readers and posters on this thread are aware that gone are the heydays of early 2000 where advertising revenue was decided on "eyeballs" and now it is most likely pay per click?

I would love to be corrected if I am wrong.

But if I am right can you kindly stop harping on the "revenue" angle and actually,I dont how to put this gently,but actually go on and defend your culture,your tradition or whatever it is floats your boat?

I am just curious on the revenue aspect.

So my curious mind wants to know the statistics of page views and click throughs of this thread and the advertisement for clearly don't you know pagalguy.com has to earn "bread" first and this is clearly a devious design on their parts to "sensationalize" the issue just to increase the number of hits, hide their insecurity because they did not get into IIM ( we will ignore one has gone to mm..Wharton,another didnt take IIM K, another IITK and has no intention of doing his MBA etc etc ).

Please continue the fun.

spot on....

if you need specifics i can say the soo-called sensational news has resulted in far less than 500 bucks till now and if anyone thinks we planned this strategy to earn a hefty amount of 500 bucks so that all 10 of us can live happily ever after then i can't help but salute your elite intelligence.

now continue with your discussion

Cheers,
Deepu.

[monsterkartik]

Originally Posted by deepu

spot on....

if you need specifics i can say the soo-called sensational news has resulted in far less than 500 bucks till now and if anyone thinks we planned this strategy to earn a hefty amount of 500 bucks so that all 10 of us can live happily ever after then i can't help but salute your elite intelligence.

now continue with your discussion

Cheers,
Deepu.

You know, its not that whatever strategy / plans you make are always succesful. Sometimes strategies fail, might be that this time this one has failed, Cant that be the situation ??

So just that you were only able to make 500 rupees out of this whole news you say that it was not dirty publicity, and it was to make the youth fight against swearing. But i am really sorry, i or for that matter 99% junta wont buy this stupid logic

So this can be interpretted as the sensational news dint fare as well, i dint fulfill your expectations.It might have hit u back though, many oldtimers, who have had contributed for years took a decision to leave, and some people even said that good that they left. Though i am not that old on the forum, but in the last 6 months i have spent enuff time to know all the who's who of the forum, and i dont think so anyone will deny that. I am really disappointed just that to fight against a very trivial thing, peole said that good such oldies have took a decision to leave, i am really sorry for the people who left, not because they left, but because they though they belong to this place, and they have to pay back to this forum from which they gained so much, but they were just shown the door, that to by someone i havent seen on the forum for the last 6 months i have been here(though he might me active on the backend), and no one from the forum even trying to ask those people not to leave the forum. Its really disappointing



Cheers

MK

[pagalguy]

Originally Posted by monsterkartik

You know, its not that whatever strategy / plans you make are always succesful. Sometimes strategies fail, might be that this time this one has failed, Cant that be the situation ??

So just that you were only able to make 500 rupees out of this whole news you say that it was not dirty publicity, and it was to make the youth fight against swearing. But i am really sorry, i or for that matter 99% junta wont buy this stupid logic

So this can be interpretted as the sensational news dint fare as well, i dint fulfill your expectations.It might have hit u back though, many oldtimers, who have had contributed for years took a decision to leave, and some people even said that good that they left. Though i am not that old on the forum, but in the last 6 months i have spent enuff time to know all the who's who of the forum, and i dont think so anyone will deny that. I am really disappointed just that to fight against a very trivial thing, peole said that good such oldies have took a decision to leave, i am really sorry for the people who left, not because they left, but because they though they belong to this place, and they have to pay back to this forum from which they gained so much, but they were just shown the door, that to by someone i havent seen on the forum for the last 6 months i have been here(though he might me active on the backend), and no one from the forum even trying to ask those people not to leave the forum. Its really disappointing



Cheers

MK

Take it easy, the 500Rs thing is indicative of how much web traffic pays btw. It is an indicator of how low ad revenues can be and also an indicator of how challenging it is to run a web startup.

Oxy's point highlights that you can't one day decide to make stories and those stories don't make us all rich here at PG. We have to take a lot of flak, a lot of people are angry at us - but the challenge is to understand why we do what we do. Stick to the topic, see our concerns at the end of the article, see how women are treated as sexual objects in the case of pendyal's story, see how 'cultures' are used to hide behind crass behavior. If you don't - then take a short break from posting. Just rehashing the same thought is just too boring to take at this point.

[pagalguy]

Originally Posted by monsterkartik

You know, its not that whatever strategy / plans you make are always succesful. Sometimes strategies fail, might be that this time this one has failed, Cant that be the situation ??

So just that you were only able to make 500 rupees out of this whole news you say that it was not dirty publicity, and it was to make the youth fight against swearing. But i am really sorry, i or for that matter 99% junta wont buy this stupid logic

So this can be interpretted as the sensational news dint fare as well, i dint fulfill your expectations.It might have hit u back though, many oldtimers, who have had contributed for years took a decision to leave, and some people even said that good that they left. Though i am not that old on the forum, but in the last 6 months i have spent enuff time to know all the who's who of the forum, and i dont think so anyone will deny that. I am really disappointed just that to fight against a very trivial thing, peole said that good such oldies have took a decision to leave, i am really sorry for the people who left, not because they left, but because they though they belong to this place, and they have to pay back to this forum from which they gained so much, but they were just shown the door, that to by someone i havent seen on the forum for the last 6 months i have been here(though he might me active on the backend), and no one from the forum even trying to ask those people not to leave the forum. Its really disappointing



Cheers

MK

Oh & one more thing - if you reply to this, you are increasing the page views. May be you shouldn't read anything on this site then

[Oxymoron]

Originally Posted by monsterkartik

You know, its not that whatever strategy / plans you make are always succesful. Sometimes strategies fail, might be that this time this one has failed, Cant that be the situation ??

So just that you were only able to make 500 rupees out of this whole news you say that it was not dirty publicity, and it was to make the youth fight against swearing. But i am really sorry, i or for that matter 99% junta wont buy this stupid logic :neutral:

Ha ha...I would love to give a primer on how online advertising works and why those what's-it's-name again websites have pages designed in such a way that unsuspecting readers cant help clicking on the link giving the latest scoop on what's eating Sania Mirza . There is a reason why the advertising links which generate click through revenues are "focussed" and the shoddy piece of english words passing for sentences are "wrapped" around it . That my friend is the way the net works. So view this objectively and understand why it is extremely likely more than ninety percent of them who read this ( and *ahem* arguably constitute the creme de la creme of India when not swearing and upholding traditions ) will "get it" that this wasn't about revenue. Sadly if they are forum regulars they should have got it before one really needs to spell it out to them in black and white but we can let that pass


In the earnest attempts made to defend one's actions or well one's alma mater let us not get side tracked into what to some is deep malaise in our "Either with us or against us" social outlook.
There are plenty of people like me who are fence sitters because we do that out of volition. Also we just dont care. But if this is the only way I have to "fit in" it is no brainer why plenty of ppl like me are "outsiders".

The first post asked for a debate . Not a defense.

[floyd&vodka]

Many have said that they are surprised to see many bschoolers defending the so called "crass" behavior. At the same time, I am sure many of us are thinking, why is PG insisting on defending its stance when it can see that a huge proportion of users dont agree with it.

The issue is surely worth a debate, but the article wasn't the best way to start one. Instead of focusing on a larger issue of "tastless swearing" or should I say "swearing which some find tasteless", the article simply narrows down to two bschools. It puts up a video with faces blurred, but gives enough evidence to download the unedited version. As has been said by PG, the video has been brought to the notice of the director and some action is due. I really wonder if that was an appropriate thing to do, just to kindle a debate on a generic issue of swearing (or as some say "coaching") in colleges (both bschools and engineering).

Do you think this would prevent people from swearing or would change traditions? All this can do is to make them think twice before posting college videos on youtube.

The article just proves that swearing exists and hints that coaching might exist. However, as per my view, as long as this hurts no one, it cant be considered wrong. What can be considered wrong and is not proved/researched before publishing this article is - "Is anyone forced to be a part of this?", "If someone opts out of swearing, is he treated as an outcast?", "Has anyone carried this behavior to the classrooms, or to the corporate world?", "Has any of these non academic activities affected the academic output in any way?", "Has anyone been distressed due to this swearing and approached PG or the bschool management to end this"? If not, I see no merit in publishing a one off case of something prevalent across many graduate and post graduate colleges. I am sorry to say, but this sounds like nothing but "sensationalism".

Regards
Ramesh

[murty001]

Before anyone takes a dig at the forum and accuses it of trying to increase revenue by sensationalizing "trivial" things, please have a look at your own selves. I am surprised that someone who deemed IIMs as a national waste, has come out in such a strong defense. Two years in a national waste, learning equally waste traditions has perhaps killed the analytical and writing skills of someone whose posts I always eagerly look forward to read. Tell me one thing, doesn't this video prove your statement correct? Well, I only hope its a one off incident, I mean the post

It is amazing to see people coming out in such a strong defense. Yes, traditions of any institute is decided by the student's of the institute. But tell me, is this the best tradition that the students can come up with? Smart people here are mocking the IQ of the whole Indian public. Then wat should be the IQ of people who can do no better than come up with such "traditions"? According to the logic, people from XXXX institute are smart just because they can come up with traditions which involves shouting expletives at the top of their voices and then record it in a video and upload it for the whole world to see. I bow to this level of intellect and such a sacred tradition!

After reading Pendy's post and a few others it just points to one thing. The freedom that these B-Skools have given to the students has been grossly misused. I just appeal to the "high brained society" not to throw this "tradition" and "culture" argument. In one day some 100 or more rapes(sorry mods, I don't want to use '*' here) occur in India. That doesn't mean raping women is the "culture" of India. Or is it, oh ye intelligent people? I hope none of you are lawyers!

Cheers..

[DJK]

Originally Posted by DesiGuru

Firstly there is nothing wrong in putting that video on this site. The people working inside pagalguy need to earn their bread butter and cake and we can all give our hugely valuable opinions here but I think bread comes first... I dont enjoy Aaj tak too much and I dont watch it... Obviously I dont post or read pagalguy too much these days either. That some of us do that, it does not make Aaj Tak or pagalguy.com wrong. There are plenty of people interested in such stuff. And yeah if you believe this site (+ DJK their new employee?) is fighting for morality, class, crass or some kind of similar crap... Er... I would really look for some proof of IQ...

Oh that's right. People at PG were just so close to filing for bankruptcy, that they just had to grab a youtube video and post it, so people would click and thereby earn a rupee each click. So simple the whole scheme works. It's all about the money. And yes, PG hired me on an ad hoc basis so I could fight their battles for them. The more the better right. :sarcasm:. Desiguru, your uni-dimensional view of things isn't shocking at all. People like you come to PG hoping to see a glossy brochure of A-listed Bschools from India and abroad, with six figure salary "scoresheets" on the portal with glowing testimonials validating their choice of a B-school.. along with free resources for their CAT preparation and basically use PG as a PR extension of these Bschools doubling up as a stepping stone for your MBA. One negative feedback and there, your objectivity flies right out of the window. Suddenly PG isn't as glamorous or useful as you once thought it'd be. It isn't that place which gave you a platform to voice and share opinions and educational resources. Oh no, sir. Suddenly PG is a bunch AAJ-TAK wannabes, low calibre journalists who need to rely on videos to make ends meet. Let's forget that these bad evil reporters also post interviews with top directors from world class Bschools. Shucks, that must be fabricated, again to earn more money. **Sigh** If we actually had a penny for everytime people cried "sensationalism", we could have actually reversed climate change.

Originally Posted by DesiGuru

Anyways, Sorry to disappoint you... You can pay your tax, go on and on and give ur valuable opinions but the traditions of JokaLand are and will always be defined changed understood only by IIM Calcutta students... At the end of the day to put it bluntly... folks who couldnt get into IIM Calcutta are not the right people to talk about whether we have class or crass while on campus. Opinions are by definition a dime a dozen and we can see that there are opinions here that pagalguy.com and its employees are really showing their true colours crassy behaviour etc etc... I dont believe in either opinions. So the bottomline is there is always no point in being self righteous. Anyways... if you still have not enrolled for an MBA program and you want to change IIMC traditions... you know what to do...

Since when did one need to play cricket to know what's fair or not. Since when did one need to make a movie to be a film critic. Since when did one need to publish one's own work, to be a literary critic? Unless one is reviewing the architecture of IIMC, I don't see why someone needs to be an IIMC graduate to comment on the practices inside. You're right, opinions are a dime a dozen. So is yours. Particularly because you CHOOSE to not read other posts, before posting your thoughts. If you did, you would see that ex students of these Bschools have also validated the theory that all's not well in the happy picture you wish to paint. But no.. you can't spare your precious time to read through a few dozen pages.. (but you can spare some time to share your unresearched opinion) Isn't it so much easier to use "PG and its employees" as the only lone voice that is out to tarnish the o-so-cherished-culture of Jokers. It is interesting that you should use the word self-righteous. When you are done choking over your own bile of self-importance, you may want to take a look at the other posts to know that there are indeed other people who believe that this ludicrous behaviour in the name of tradition is something to be embarassed about two decades later and not something to pride yourself on. What you've done is akin to reviewing a movie by its trailor.

[DJK]

Originally Posted by monsterkartik

but they were just shown the door, that to by someone i havent seen on the forum for the last 6 months i have been here(though he might me active on the backend), and no one from the forum even trying to ask those people not to leave the forum.



Cheers

MK

MK, just to clarify. Nowhere has anyone asked anyone to leave the forum. Absolutely not. This isn't some elite club of yes-sayers. Apurv reiterated that we could agree to disagree and still be friends. Those who left, choose to do so, of their own volition.

[Nafis.khan]

I don't know how much monetary benefit PG has gained after starting of this thread but intellectually it has lost a lot.Many old puys who were very active and loyal to pagalguy.com, either they have left PG forever or have parted themself off from this publicity stunt.
As a MBA aspirant i have not come here to listen to the editor,mod,admin etc etc but to take advice from these people who have once gone through my phase and now they are in the most coveted B-school.Now they are in the process of giving back to PG.


Yes people did come here for the free resources of CAT materal, to build PR etc etc but once they have entered into a good B-school they become the asset of PG. more and more people come here to listen to them, take their advice( more member more publicity for you).

Enough damage has been created to Pagalguy.com. Please stop it and end the discussion leave it on individual whether it was right or wrong.( what shown in video).I think people at this level has that much of maturity to identify what is wrong and what is right. Responses has already shown it.