[puneet]

well im not shocked of the video and these traditions and stuff that goes on in colleges & bschools but what has transpired on PG today and the kind of responses & defending i have seen from people, many of whom i have considered as smart individuals who are alumni or part of the institution is shocking.

Accept the reality and accept the facts. If you as a human being and a bschooler or part of any institution which encourages such behavior and are proud of these traditions and can even resort to defending it on the grounds of 'its part of bschool/institution life' then im sorry to say, that you have no morality whatsoever. Show this video to your parents and elders and tell them of these traditions and culture at the place of learning where they are sending you to learn a few things which will go a long way into shaping your life and the future of this country and you will get your answers and will be put in your place rather than hearing from non- institution people which hurts the ego a lot, doesn't it?

I know to survive an evil , many times you have to be part of it or be on the sidelines watching everything with your mouths shut not to speak about this evil which is fair enough to survive this imperfect wrong world but to actually defend it even though knowing its immoral and unacceptable is an even bigger evil and really shows the ugly side of all who defend such actions.

Just accept you are part of a wrong system of doing things a certain way you do not have control or say in. We are all puppets in this system in different contexts, be a bschool or corporate or life in general, be a man or woman and accept the wrong and go on. tomorrow will still come and we all will be still part of this very system. if you can do anything to change this system then you have actually done something worthwhile.
posting of the video will hopefully bring authorities to take necessary action and help knock some sense in whats acceptable and whats not and clean up this mess called tradition.

[nikhilkulk]

Originally Posted by monsterkartik

Sorry to making this comment again but if you are so sensitive, then why dint you oppose that time in the AIPGM. Everyone was njoing a bloody pathetic song, though i am not sure u were a part of that or not, but i never saw you go ahead and say no to that?? Where were your values from school, parents and all that

Values Blah !!!

I don't know what is it going to take for you to stop seeking mileage out of a on-off incident at AIPGM. Apurv has apologized and so has Rohit. But if it makes you happy I apologize too that being a part of the PG fraternity I did not stop people when they were singing a "bloody pathetic song"

But there is actually not much parallel between the issue being discussed here - whether it is about choice or not. At AIPGM you had a choice to walk away when the song was being sung and anybody would have cared less! I don't go and ask people who are smoking around me to stop doing so because i have a problem with that - I just walk away from there and nobody stops me from walking away. Is it the same case for someone who tries to be a spoilsport and walk away from an age old tradition - Think again! And if you still think that both the issues are indeed comparable I have nothing more to say regarding that

[mansham]

All said and done... but is it right on pagalguys part to post such a article on site. It is an informational site for MBA aspirants and should not be used for such postings. Defaming two institutes by showing sledging video will no create any value for the students though it will generate more hits for the site and hence better revenue. Pagalguy is not a cheap news channel like INDIA TV or AAj TAK who shows such stuff to improve their TRPs. Only postive that comes out from this article is the marketing minds behind it, they succeded in increasing number of hits on the site in this lul season when CAT is 5 months away.. Hats off to them :bigear:

[anurag12singh]

I think people need to get perspective.

1. The choice of words which accompanied the video(and the video itself) was unfortunate. Somehow, Shocking news and terms of similar connotations have entered our subconscious as a tell tale sign of sensationalism.

2. People who are being high priests of 'individual opinion' and saying that as long as the two institutes do not have a problem, others should not have a problem because what the girls are doing is a matter of their individual choice, forget that the mod who started this thread was also expressing his opinion along with some facts, and he has a right to express his opinion.

3. I swear, my friends swear and many of my female friends swear. But none of us do it in public. And certainly not in the name of tradition.

4. Which brings me to the best part of the argument put forward by some of the people. Its a tradition. You have to be in to get it. Well, sati was a tradition as well. Why don't you guys try to revive it.

5. I am yet to see any body defending what was mentioned in Pendyal's post other than feeble and pathetic attempts like 'it should have remained inside dorms' etc.. Yeah that is right. And Dr. Jeffrey Wigand should have stayed on at Philip Morris and so on.

And all those who are smugly(someone quoted my last post and asked me what do I mean by smug) suggesting that these things would not make any difference to the reputation of the IIMs, I don't have anything else to say except that you are saying so because you hold a stake in that. I won't send my daughter to a place where she would be coached to abuse. I would not send my daughter to a place where she would be the object of attention of a frustated idiot who is so sucked into this tradition and ritual thing, that he can not keep his fantasies to himself and must either bore or embarrass everybody else.

Unpopular speech is the basis of improvement. If this story by PG HQ was taken in the right spirit, it would have been a great opportunity for the best B Schools we have in India. Sadly, it is not to be.

[gvg]

Well this just goes to prove that the selection system puts in maximum emphasis on the purely analytical, communication skills along with general stuff about the world. None of the institutes have devised a selection process where a person's character analysis is done. People who can actually stoop to such low levels and use such utterly disgraceful language dont deserve to step into the portals of such an esteemed institute. There can be no justification such as pressure from seniors or going along with tradition to explain such actions. Its high time these people learn to change their tradition instead of changing themselves. the only word I have for them is pathetic !!!

[anurag12singh]

Originally Posted by gvg

Well this just goes to prove that the selection system puts in maximum emphasis on the purely analytical, communication skills along with general stuff about the world. None of the institutes have devised a selection process where a person's character analysis is done. People who can actually stoop to such low levels and use such utterly disgraceful language dont deserve to step into the portals of such an esteemed institute. There can be no justification such as pressure from seniors or going along with tradition to explain such actions. Its high time these people learn to change their tradition instead of changing themselves. the only word I have for them is pathetic !!!

Don't be so judgmental.. Nine times out of ten, a student asked to do that would indeed do that. It takes a lot of guts to say NO. What is worrying though is the lack of acknowledgment, even in hindsight, of the fact that something is wrong. Frankly speaking, I don't think any selection process can reveal a person's character. And the fact that these girls were 'sledging', doesn't make their character bad. I think it would do no justice to anyone if we brand the girls who were seen on camera. They are no different from you or me. Indeed, when I come to think of it, I wouldn't have said NO had I been in their position. But later, I would have come to regret the decision which I had taken. I wouldn't be looking to hide behind phoney excuses.

[andy_jaan]

Puys puys puys, now can we have some thing constructive for a change if we are kinda done with all this :argue:
Ok now as half the Junta on this thread is coming back from their hibernations I guess it makes this thread a good material for research and using conclusions for future policy/strategy of PG. Did you notice:-
They(read veteran PGiets )

1. are all alive , but just stopped participating completely:huh:
2. irrespective of their B-Skool background love controversies
3. always carry a view and never fail to take one side as if being neutral to issues can be sin/mediocrity.
4. finally admin succeeded in not only increasing hit counts as alleged by stalwarts but also in proving that PG seriously lacks material/concepts to keep puys engaged after their B-Skool which means inventory turnover ratio is skewed to the upper side. (I love Jargons) :laugh::laugh:

Btw, ye crutz_imi,anuraagxp,rani_das,grondmaster,bluffmast er,uptowngal jaise maharathi kahaan rah gaye:huh:, koi unhko bhi bulao jaldi :laugh::laugh: .........vaise kitne episode or chalega ye mahabharat? :sarcasm:
ANdy
P.S. On a serious note we can also verify the general pattern here, whenever there is debate on any thread people take any one side mentally and then start thanking all posts on their side and groaning on the opposite view's posts irrespective of much thought to content as such. :huh: And same is more applicable for puys, like if I like MR.X then its my moral obligation to thank every post of Mr.X even those in which he only ask someone to come up again as couldn't comprehend logic in one go.
Not that this mean anything as such but it certainly speaks a lot of this whole thank/groan feature, its real purpose and its present use by members (including senior admins/mods :()............or agar tum ye nahin maante, to ho jaaye ek thread is pe bhi?:laugh::laugh:

[vikrantdude]

The video was shocking Ok

Pagalguy carrying a front page article on it was even more shocking ......


But wat was even more breadth choking was the way alumnus and currrent students of this or allied IIM's defended tht it's all part of individual choices n decisions , culture @ Insti..... and pagalguy had no rite to interfere and try to defame the famed Insti , they even accused PG of Sensationalistic journalism /Moral policing ........


Let's decied wat do u mean by sportsmanship or sportsman spirit as the event was annual sports meet . Being a University Level Water polo player and National Level Rower Myself , I can safely say that Sportsman spirit mean's putting all efforts to win a contest , if not then accept defeat gracefully and congratulate the winner ,as winning and losing is just part of game ,wat u learn from any sport is the biggest thing!!!!!! these things are taught at under -12 and school level's .Certainly the parties involved in the sport's meet !!none had sportsman spirit nor were they sportsmEn !!!

Has any1 seen tiger woods,michael schumacher , rahul dravid ,roger federer or Sachin tendulkar doing the thing on or off the playfield !!


India's culture ,heritage is nonsense fr such kind of ppl !!So wat??? we hear such cuss words everyday on television especially GENx reality shows !!!It's cool naaaaaaaaaa!!!this is the argument I hear frm ppl who defend such kind of culture !!

wat happened was disgraceful!!utter igominious which leaves a bad taste!!the behaviour is shocking .tht too by Students of such prestigious Insti is just unacceptable !!In MBA market in India ,IIM's are at zenith , so they are closely followed ,monitored ,respected and copied by hoards of other Institutes!!! Ok accepted tht A,B,C no more require Govt Funding ,they are autonomous and XL is a private college ..........

But Students /Alumni of these great Insti should check History -------for wat purpose the Institutes were created in first place ----to serve country in skilled and trained managerial manpower !!!

watever decision IIMC director takes such behaviour is simply unacceptable -----------------------IIM's ARE HOPE N FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY ---------SUCH INCIDENTS ARE JUST VERY UNFORTUNATE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DJK]

Originally Posted by anupam will return

What "crimes" are you referring to here? Every B schooler is always asked if he/she is comfortable with such "internal" stuff. People who say they aren't are let off...No one's forced! And what more, even the females and the professors (to some extent) in B schools are aware of everything, they do not see any "crime" in it!

Oh.. I beg your pardon. I perceived, rather absurdly it appears, that describing sexual fantasies with "Top three women", like they are porn stars, explicitly would amount to being a crime. Obviously I didn't take the desensitization classes at B-schools which allows you to better appreciate such refined and cultured forms of being acquainted with another or celebrating your birthday. Oh wait, did your professors give you implied consent? Then it must be all okay. Geez, what was I thinking...

Honestly Anupam, if you can please take off these rose tinted lenses you wear with which everything is "acceptable" in the name of fun, you'll probably see what's wrong with what you are saying. Of course no one is "forced". But think of the outcome. The ones who choose to not participate become social outcastes or not cool enough. Everyone wants to fit in and stand out all at once. The result? A bunch of twits who have no idea where to draw the line between class and crass.

[DPrit]

Originally Posted by anurag12singh

I think people need to get perspective.

1. The choice of words which accompanied the video(and the video itself) was unfortunate. Somehow, Shocking news and terms of similar connotations have entered our subconscious as a tell tale sign of sensationalism.

2. People who are being high priests of 'individual opinion' and saying that as long as the two institutes do not have a problem, others should not have a problem because what the girls are doing is a matter of their individual choice, forget that the mod who started this thread was also expressing his opinion along with some facts, and he has a right to express his opinion.

3. I swear, my friends swear and many of my female friends swear. But none of us do it in public. And certainly not in the name of tradition.

4. Which brings me to the best part of the argument put forward by some of the people. Its a tradition. You have to be in to get it. Well, sati was a tradition as well. Why don't you guys try to revive it.

5. I am yet to see any body defending what was mentioned in Pendyal's post other than feeble and pathetic attempts like 'it should have remained inside dorms' etc.. Yeah that is right. And Dr. Jeffrey Wigand should have stayed on at Philip Morris and so on.

And all those who are smugly(someone quoted my last post and asked me what do I mean by smug) suggesting that these things would not make any difference to the reputation of the IIMs, I don't have anything else to say except that you are saying so because you hold a stake in that. I won't send my daughter to a place where she would be coached to abuse. I would not send my daughter to a place where she would be the object of attention of a frustated idiot who is so sucked into this tradition and ritual thing, that he can not keep his fantasies to himself and must either bore or embarras everybody else.

Unpopular speech is the basis of improvement. If this story by PG HQ was taken in the right spirit, it would have been a great oppurtunity for the best B Schools we have in India. Sadly, it is not to be.

Dear PG and all those people who are abhorring this incident.. .let me ask you something..... have you ever in your life tried to interpret things based on circumstances? or you just take the words that come out of people's mouth on a literal basis? i mean at times... your girlfrnd will say "I am gonna Kill you.." does she really mean so..? I mean cummon... slang laced cheerleaders who are otherwise great debaters and 7+ CQPI holders are a great combi... statistically ppl with little bit of arrogance and violence had always been more successful rather than people bothering about psedue morality.......

1. When Larry of Oracle launched a hostile bid against Peoplesoft (one of the most long lasting and epic take over battle), Craig Conway, that time CEO of Peoplesoft, opposed the move and after lot of heated exchange, in the annual Oracle conference, Larry said I am going to shoot Craig and his dog (Craig has a pet dog). After two weeks in the annual Peoplesoft conference Craig came with his dog, both of them donning bullet proof jackets.

2. Balmer of Microsoft apparently was so mad at Google, he told in an internal memo, I am going to kill those "nonmentionable".....

the people who actually commit in this, don't go through a complete change in their character bcos two days of this event, they come back to their own-self.... and be just the same... if you are trying to say by so called "organized sland calling" people are so bloody brainwashed that from next day they thrive on slang calling than I should say grow up .. !! It is not so. Actually I am surprise to see PG not raising some hot air with the lyrics of official band of XLRI, Bodhi Tree's songs.... ? you know if you have the sense of humour and look at the reality of things through hazed glass of envy, animosity and pre-judices you will see what a brilliant lyrics it was, talking about simple truth and reality of life through banal languages.......how you interpret when someone using so called abusives against you is the most important.. at times... you can be mentally very tormented and abused just by someone refering to your caste in a very polite and sophisticated manners..... again at times you feel a great sense of brotherhood when someone calls you by some slangs.....