[deepu]

Originally Posted by monsterkartik

Lets not exxagerate here, comparing swearing and prostitution.

Btw Prostitution is legalised in Bangkok. Though i dont want to get into mud slinging here

So, now u would say, smoking is not good, ban it from IIMs, drinking is not good ban it from IIMs, wat all do u want to ban from IIMs, can i have a list ??

Cheers

MK

it would have been great if you have read my post and understood what i said instead of just rushing to post a counter. since you didn't do that lemme explain -

that post was in relation to the logic that anupam posted. i gave an example to tell that his logic is fallable.

Cheers,
Deepu.

[deepu]

Originally Posted by Derrida

And Deepu, guess what the Vid/thread at PG is doing? Paste a photo of the prostitute and her four kids on the front page of ToI along with a youtube link for one masked vid of hers with a client and then print a report that this prostitute needs a help from all of us.

and guess what ???

i am surprised people are saying that is a pretty common scene and is not worthy of a 1st page news and that it should be somewhere in the inner and boring parts of the paper

Cheers,
Deepu.

[shrutz]

I spent two years at a Bschool... I am an alumna... and inspite of the purported cut-throat nature of the Bschools, I loved my time there.

You know what, some things that you see in the video are not defensible, some things that happen there are not defensible... I agree whole heartedly. You cannot stand behind the cloak of culture or traditions.

BUT, what I do know is this... some of the incidents described have been exaggerated/blown out of proportion. Come on, guys, let's take some perspective, OK?

You are discussing respect to women? So discussing women behind their backs is being disrespectful? Watching porn is disrespectful? Fine. Cut all this out when you are in undergrad. When the women learn that they are being viewed as objects... when they are so helpless they can't fight back.

In a Bschool, you can at least fight. You do not feel helpless. And if you didn't, you missed the first lesson you needed to learn. Knowing when to dissent. We are not cookie cutter shapes.

But, while you are at it, get perspective. Stories are all very well, but sometimes (just sometimes) please ask credible sources too.

I am trying to be as neutral as possible here... the first rush I had was to defend these precious years of my life wholeheartedly. Because, you see, I loved them so much.

[DPrit]

Originally Posted by prem_ravi

If its ok without Physical abuse, why should people speak now & that too in a public forum.

Is it something like sharing information, but for what?

Dont you think that this post whatever has been written would create ripple effects, atleast outside BSchool...

OK, putting myself in your shoes, onething I would say "I WOULD NEVER disclose whats happening inside my campus", after all its my institute's reputition which wll be spoiled ie nobody would say X, Y, Z has done this rather people would say so & so thing has happened in IIMX/Y/Z.....

you have lot more things to learn in this life my frnds.. guess you are fresh out of college with loads of idealism... these things hardly makes any difference to the college reputation... no one bothers to make it public not bcos of the fact that their reputation will go down the drain but bcos they want to keep it more like a "Tribe Rituals" which is shared among the "specials"... when you get into one of those schools you end up having the feeling of being the "Special One" and i think that's perfectly understandable.. you deserve that
now let me explain you where you completely gone wrong....in-terms of potential reputation spoiler of the concern Bschool...

What decides the reputation..?
Cutting all the hyper gas terms of ideaologies ..

1. The companies that are coming for recruitment

2. The average salary

3. The Alumni Network

4. Overall brand aura

These are precisely what makes a Bschool attractive...

Now now when Bschool comes to the campus for hiring other than HR generalists who assist in operational aspects, the decision makers are primarily the alumni of the same school working in that company... so the first thing that they want find out is "how the school has changed over last couple of years" since he has passed out... ok..? so if he is potentially interviewing someone who is in the same special tribe groups (like slang leaders, or booze servers) that the interviewer was..immediately there is a great sharing of common ground ... i mean cummon this is exactly what happens.... do you think corporates decides " hei look this campus is out on video ..throwing expletives so we should not go there for hiring..?" ... then i think you are thousands miles away from the reality.......

[nikhilkulk]

Originally Posted by DPrit

Situation will completely change when you find yourself in the midst of all that..

1. I am a newbie here, If I protest here am I going to be singled out by the seniors..?

2. Is my summers going to be effected.. or even final placement going to be effected... ?

3. Am I going to be regarded as a snobby against the tradition...

4. Who is going to help me out with the notes and all

5. What is going to be my social life..?

If it indeed was about choice and left to an individual whether he wanted to be a part of the "tradition" or not we wouldn't have seen this post. The point as already mentioned in the thread is that anyone who will not live up to the "tradition" is treated as an outcast, all efforts are made to make his life as miserable as possible. Are woman given a "choice" when a senior coaches them about swearing? Are there really no issues with a girl who refuses to be part of that exercise! I dont think so - especially seeing some of the posts here! And no B-schooler has denied the "coaching" part of the debate. Whatever facts Apurv has posted here are not ramblings of his creative mind - there is indeed some truth to it. IF that is what is considered a norm in B-schools and if the majority of posters are actually ok with that part it is the most saddening thing I have ever encountered on PG I guess. Have we become so numb? Have our sensibilities taken such a hit that values which we were taught in school, by our parents hold no importance when we enter a B-school? Sick- real Sick and scary too! Things as decribed in pendyal's post really scare me! To post a cliche - lets imagine our sisters to be in these so called institutes of excellence and they being subjected to such perverted thoughts! Are we still fine with that too? Nobody here ever tried making this a morality issue. If it was still about choice nobody would have cared less- but the point which all and sundry are aware is - it is not about choice - not an easy one at least

Originally Posted by DPrit

boss stakes are too high there and once you just get into a top school after months of harrowing struggle, you are simply not in a mood to take any more trouble.. and focus on making the best out of 2 years academically...

why people don't put themselves in the shoes of the participants before making such naive remarks .. "whether there are some authority to complain against it or not" .. off-course there are .. but who is going to make the call..? and authority anyway has hundreds of other things to take care of.. so unless and untill some one gets physically abused things are generally fine.. bottom line .. loneliness and social alienation is the worst thing that can happen to you in a Bschool and after end of two years if you end up having no network with your current batch mates and alumni (bcos words definitely spread fast regarding new smart A** junior) bcos of this, nothing is more shi**y than that.. my two cents... live thru the experience bfor making the judgements.....

After seein ga few posts on similar lines is it still about choice? I think it eventually comes down to how much is enough? How much are you ready to take! I know it may seem easier for me to sit on the sidelines and comment that I wouldn't take so much crap under the "garb" of tradition! But that's what I would have done! But I wouldn't touch that topic too much for sounding like another case of the fox who said that the grapes were sour anyway! We have had enough cases here already of people misinterpreting things - don't want to provide more fuel to them.

The point is - it is not about a choice really. Is it? If at all there is any choice then it is either sucking up to the "tradition" and living happily ever after even though you may not feel good about it inside or standing up and ending up living a miserable life for the next two years being treated as an outcast!

Choice! Bah!

[monsterkartik]

Originally Posted by deepu

it would have been great if you have read my post and understood what i said instead of just rushing to post a counter. since you didn't do that lemme explain -

that post was in relation to the logic that anupam posted. i gave an example to tell that his logic is fallable.

Cheers,
Deepu.

And i dont quite agree with that, the logic given is well accepted by me and hence only i did quote your post that was illogical to his given logic, and i think you also did not get my post and just rushed to counter, and i think that is what you have been doing from last night, just countering with anything / only some smal things left with you to counter with

Cheers

MK

[deepu]

Originally Posted by DPrit

you have lot more things to learn in this life my frnds.. guess you are fresh out of college with loads of idealism... these things hardly makes any difference to the college reputation... no one bothers to make it public not bcos of the fact that their reputation will go down the drain but bcos they want to keep it more like a "Tribe Rituals" which is shared among the "specials"... when you get into one of those schools you end up having the feeling of being the "Special One" and i think that's perfectly understandable.. you deserve that
now let me explain you where you completely gone wrong....in-terms of potential reputation spoiler of the concern Bschool...

What decides the reputation..?
Cutting all the hyper gas terms of ideaologies ..

1. The companies that are coming for recruitment

2. The average salary

3. The Alumni Network

4. Overall brand aura

These are precisely what makes a Bschool attractive...

Now now when Bschool comes to the campus for hiring other than HR generalists who assist in operational aspects, the decision makers are primarily the alumni of the same school working in that company... so the first thing that they want find out is "how the school has changed over last couple of years" since he has passed out... ok..? so if he is potentially interviewing someone who is in the same special tribe groups (like slang leaders, or booze servers) that the interviewer was..immediately there is a great sharing of common ground ... i mean cummon this is exactly what happens.... do you think corporates decides " hei look this campus is out on video ..throwing expletives so we should not go there for hiring..?" ... then i think you are thousands miles away from the reality.......

i liked your posts because you made your point coolly. but let me tell you where you went wrong. that is not our intention at all.

Cheers,
Deepu.

[monsterkartik]

Originally Posted by nikhilkulk

IF that is what is considered a norm in B-schools and if the majority of posters are actually ok with that part it is the most saddening thing I have ever encountered on PG I guess. Have we become so numb? Have our sensibilities taken such a hit that values which we were taught in school, by our parents hold no importance when we enter a B-school? Sick- real Sick and scary too!

Sorry for making this comment again but if you are so sensitive, then why dint you oppose that time in the AIPGM. Everyone was njoing a bloody pathetic song, though i am not sure u were a part of that or not, but i never saw you go ahead and say no to that?? Where were your values from school, parents and all that

Values Blah !!!

[DPrit]

Originally Posted by nikhilkulk

If it indeed was about choice and left to an individual whether he wanted to be a part of the "tradition" or not we wouldn't have seen this post. The point as already mentioned in the thread is that anyone who will not live up to the "tradition" is treated as an outcast, all efforts are made to make his life as miserable as possible. Are woman given a "choice" when a senior coaches them about swearing? Are there really no issues with a girl who refuses to be part of that exercise! I dont think so - especially seeing some of the posts here! And no B-schooler has denied the "coaching" part of the debate. Whatever facts Apurv has posted here are not ramblings of his creative mind - there is indeed some truth to it. IF that is what is considered a norm in B-schools and if the majority of posters are actually ok with that part it is the most saddening thing I have ever encountered on PG I guess. Have we become so numb? Have our sensibilities taken such a hit that values which we were taught in school, by our parents hold no importance when we enter a B-school? Sick- real Sick and scary too! Things as decribed in pendyal's post really scare me! To post a cliche - lets imagine our sisters to be in these so called institutes of excellence and they being subjected to such perverted thoughts! Are we still fine with that too? Nobody here ever tried making this a morality issue. If it was still about choice nobody would have cared less- but the point which all and sundry are aware is - it is not about choice - not an easy one at least

After seein ga few posts on similar lines is it still about choice? I think it eventually comes down to how much is enough? How much are you ready to take! I know it may seem easier for me to sit on the sidelines and comment that I wouldn't take so much crap under the "garb" of tradition! But that's what I would have done! But I wouldn't touch that topic too much for sounding like another case of the fox who said that the grapes were sour anyway! We have had enough cases here already of people misinterpreting things - don't want to provide more fuel to them.

The point is - it is not about a choice really. Is it? If at all there is any choice then it is either sucking up to the "tradition" and living happily ever after even though you may not feel good about it inside or standing up and ending up living a miserable life for the next two years being treated as an outcast!

Choice! Bah!

here is a fundamental flaw in the whole debate...

Can you see why majority of the ppl who are Bschool junta supporting this and rest of them not..? it all depends on which side of the fence you are in... i mean first of all I just fail to understand how can people start taking moral high ground without doing a reality check of themselves.. like do they really hv the right to be righteous..? are we leading by examples..?...treated as an outcast..yes ..right..so what's wrong with that... like if you are so confident and righteous ..of doing the "right" thing..just go thru with despite being outcast.. why would you complain than..? i mean give me a break... herd mentality is there everywhere... PG and followers .. are trying to make me believe they are the torch bearers of the morality.. .
first answer this .. it might be a bit philosophical....

hypothetically you are most gentle person, never sweared and never used slangs in your life... however you back stabbed you best frnd to get one grade higher, you ruined thousands of investors money by taking some risky futures position which you knew before hand..... how will you be regarded... ? i mean if you really delve into finding out .. what is good and what is bad... then i m sorry my frnd .. we have got a long long list in our hand...

[AlpeshChaudhari]

Prostitution & sledging ??

What's going on thread ? Where are we with all this ? What was the argument & what are we discussing here.

One thing I guess we all agree, sledging & abuses are very common in our society. I am not saying it's right neither saying it's wrong.

Now, people are busy debating about whether coaching for abuses is justified or not.

There are many personal attacks from all kind of people. Newbies & many of the seniors. Would not mention the names as it would again spoil the party. It's just out of anger. Come on people let's have some perspective.

The original topic for discussion was 'whether this topic was so much necessary to right on front page'. No one is even mentioning that. People are justifying it giving some illogical reasons, that clearly tells how desperate people are here to justify the act rather than thinking of it objectively.

Why at the first place such abusive video was put up, is still not answered. I would not buy shit - 'we can bend rules in this case as we wanted to show the culture of our b-schools'

The topic of AIPGM abuses is brought up & people from AIPGM now apologize just to show that they don't like abusing. What the heck ?

@all,
I havn't been here for long time, but this debate has stooped to it's lowest. The article itself I thought & still think is a cheap way of publicity, (though I really appreciate the other ways of publicity & advertising of PG & also the content.) The word of mouth is the best thing happened for PG I guess. And, the reason for that was the content & the quality material posted, & moderated forum.

I sincerely hope PG continues to stay that way. Now, I have lost all the hopes of getting this discussion on the track & I don't think anyone would close the thread, since they are busy trying to prove that they were right, the thread is closed for me. Unless, it comes to the original topic of discussion, I don't think I would follow the thread now...