[DJK]

Originally Posted by anupam will return

Agreed, PG is going the "sensational" way, but pendyal why are you trying to be sensational by quoting internal stuff from your alma mater which I believe should be kept internal.
I'm not much concerned about this entire thread in general, if PG's revamping its image, so be it.. ,but fact of the matter is "an MBA aspirant would still continue to fight for a seat at an IIM irrespective of such revelations."
But, what troubles me is, what if someone from PG or anyone external approaches Dr. Samir Barua or any faculty/visiting faculty with pendyal's mail? Can you imagine what sort of trouble the current batch would be subjected to?

A sincere request to pendy to please edit his post.

That's right, let's brush this under the carpet, you know because this is wrong, and hence needs to be covered up. Brilliant suggestion. Corruption in the government is also internal stuff. Sexual harassment at the work place is also internal stuff. Ragging is also internal stuff. Let's all weave a bigger carpet, so culprits may be protected and the crime continues to perpetrate. I am shocked, by your response and hypocrisy. You not only endorse such crass behaviour but also want it to stay unreported, irrespective of how it may affect those who are affected by it.

[pendyal]

Originally Posted by prem_ravi

Why did this come out only now????

well, the reason i hadnt spoken up earlier is coz i was afraid it might affect my time at the institute or my placements...was selfish in doing that, yes, and also yes that i have not thought abt the affect it might have on the placements of the current batch if the corporate world took serious note of these events......my bad for the oversight on my part....

Originally Posted by anupam will return

but pendyal why are you trying to be sensational by quoting internal stuff from your alma mater which I believe should be kept internal.
what troubles me is, what if someone from PG or anyone external approaches Dr. Samir Barua or any faculty/visiting faculty with pendyal's mail? Can you imagine what sort of trouble the current batch would be subjected to?

well, i am not trying to be sensational......i was hurt the way my seniors/batchmates talked abt our classmates in the top 5....and i think it should stop......that was the reason i posted....if i had taken it up internally, i most definitely would have been shut up in the name of traditions and what not....hopefully, the reaction from a public forum would put some sense into them....
agreed that if the post makes its way to the diro, the current batches cud get into trouble...but then wudnt it be a short term loss compared to the long term gain of this perverted practice stopping? isnt that we learnt in our MBA...to take on short term losses for long term gains? would again like to refer to my reply to prem abt me being selfish back then and not having thought of the possible affect it might have on the placements of the current batches.....am sorry for not having thought through before posting....

Originally Posted by mosnterkartik

I remember reading this in some blog by an IIM A guy, that the dorm stuff remains a secret for life. Then why did pendy come forward and say all the stuff about what happens at IIM A dorms. Recently only i asked a student about the reason for him being tagged as ****** in his dorm, and i got the same answer as i had read in the blog some time back.

yes, we do keep stuff secret.....but i think it is coz of events like the one i had mentioned in my post......why else wud one want to keep things in the dorm a secret? i wudnt mind sharing the funda for my dorm name....but the dorm naming ceremony is an event in itself which is similar to the events i have narrated.....u can ask lehmanbrothershereicome for she knows the funda behind my dorm name.....

[Archon]

The video's not something to be proud of, but what the (insert expletive from video here)
is it doing here?

i'm left speechless; maybe it's a good thing I haven't been able to post for a long time. I now hope it had remained that way :(

[DPrit]

Originally Posted by prem_ravi

But the question here is, isnt there any authority were you could complain???...

Situation will completely change when you find yourself in the midst of all that..

1. I am a newbie here, If I protest here am I going to be singled out by the seniors..?

2. Is my summers going to be effected.. or even final placement going to be effected... ?

3. Am I going to be regarded as a snobby against the tradition...

4. Who is going to help me out with the notes and all

5. What is going to be my social life..?

boss stakes are too high there and once you just get into a top school after months of harrowing struggle, you are simply not in a mood to take any more trouble.. and focus on making the best out of 2 years academically...

why people don't put themselves in the shoes of the participants before making such naive remarks .. "whether there are some authority to complain against it or not" .. off-course there are .. but who is going to make the call..? and authority anyway has hundreds of other things to take care of.. so unless and untill some one gets physically abused things are generally fine.. bottom line .. loneliness and social alienation is the worst thing that can happen to you in a Bschool and after end of two years if you end up having no network with your current batch mates and alumni (bcos words definitely spread fast regarding new smart A** junior) bcos of this, nothing is more shi**y than that.. my two cents... live thru the experience bfor making the judgements.....

[lehmanbrothershereicome]

Originally Posted by DPrit

Situation will completely change when you find yourself in the midst of all that..

1. I am a newbie here, If I protest here am I going to be singled out by the seniors..?

2. Is my summers going to be effected.. or even final placement going to be effected... ?

3. Am I going to be regarded as a snobby against the tradition...

4. Who is going to help me out with the notes and all

5. What is going to be my social life..?

boss stakes are too high there and once you just get into a top school after months of harrowing struggle, you are simply not in a mood to take any more trouble.. and focus on making the best out of 2 years academically...

why people don't put themselves in the shoes of the participants before making such naive remarks .. "whether there are some authority to complain against it or not" .. off-course there are .. but who is going to make the call..? and authority anyway has hundreds of other things to take care of.. so unless and untill some one gets physically abused things are generally fine.. bottom line .. loneliness and social alienation is the worst thing that can happen to you in a Bschool and after end of two years if you end up having no network with your current batch mates and alumni (bcos words definitely spread fast regarding new smart A** junior) bcos of this, nothing is more shi**y than that.. my two cents... live thru the experience bfor making the judgements.....

if attending b schools is all about living through such experiences I would rather pass off this phase....as far as I know there is much more to schools than traditions....

as far as I know not many professors are aware of such traditions and wherever they have become aware the administration has done something about it.....and the students label it as "killing of traditions"....why would I want such crass traditions in the first place? are b school grads such despos? arent there enough resources on the net available at your disposal?

and is b school just a sophisticated placement agency for you at the end of the day?

[prem_ravi]

Originally Posted by DPrit

Situation will completely change when you find yourself in the midst of all that..

why people don't put themselves in the shoes of the participants before making such naive remarks .. "whether there are some authority to complain against it or not" .. off-course there are .. but who is going to make the call..? and authority anyway has hundreds of other things to take care of.. so unless and untill some one gets physically abused things are generally fine.. bottom line .. loneliness and social alienation is the worst thing that can happen to you in a Bschool and after end of two years if you end up having no network with your current batch mates and alumni (bcos words definitely spread fast regarding new smart A** junior) bcos of this, nothing is more shi**y than that.. my two cents... live thru the experience bfor making the judgements.....

If its ok without Physical abuse, why should people speak now & that too in a public forum.

Is it something like sharing information, but for what?

Dont you think that this post whatever has been written would create ripple effects, atleast outside BSchool...

OK, putting myself in your shoes, onething I would say "I WOULD NEVER disclose whats happening inside my campus", after all its my institute's reputition which wll be spoiled ie nobody would say X, Y, Z has done this rather people would say so & so thing has happened in IIMX/Y/Z.....

[anupam will return]

Originally Posted by DJK

That's right, let's brush this under the carpet, you know because this is wrong, and hence needs to be covered up. Brilliant suggestion. Corruption in the government is also internal stuff. Sexual harassment at the work place is also internal stuff. Ragging is also internal stuff. Let's all weave a bigger carpet, so culprits may be protected and the crime continues to perpetrate. I am shocked, by your response and hypocrisy. You not only endorse such crass behaviour but also want it to stay unreported, irrespective of how it may affect those who are affected by it.

What "crimes" are you referring to here? Every B schooler is always asked if he/she is comfortable with such "internal" stuff. People who say they aren't are let off...No one's forced! And what more, even the females and the professors (to some extent) in B schools are aware of everything, they do not see any "crime" in it!

[pagalguy]

Originally Posted by anupam will return

What "crimes" are you referring to here? Every B schooler is always asked if he/she is comfortable with such "internal" stuff. People who say they aren't are let off...No one's forced! And what more, even the females and the professors (to some extent) in B schools are aware of everything, they do not see any "crime" in it!

Right, so women want to be spoken about in sexual terms and that is absolutely fine with? How the might fall AWR. Such hypocrisy. Such cheapness.

[pagalguy]

Originally Posted by DPrit

1. According to you, "No one is saying women shouldn't swear" ..but apparently it should have some class.... Well can you kindly provide the example of some classy swears...which the womanhood should embrace?

Not at all. Every one has the right to swear The troubling this is when an institute has a culture which teaches them how to swear and then bandies them together to go to play a match and shows off its swearing skills. Hey, I am not a prude - sure I've seen people swear, I swear - a lot of people do. But this is the first time I've seen a culture within an institute that teaches people to swear. If this has been their sense of fun, bonding - I'd say - heck find better ways.

3. Do you seriously think people who in the video swearing against XLRI, do that everyday and night? I am not sure, but are you saying you never swear in your life when you lost your cool or when in an India Pakistan one dayers.. some indian fielder dropped a sitter?

Sure, individuals do swear. Now how would it look if the entire Indian team stood in line and started abusing their opponents? Wouldn't that be termed cheap?

4. I work in an extremely competitive environment where people are losing their jobs day in and day out. Market values of investment vanishing within a single trading window, friends are being envied, Race and Country of origin becoming your qualifications and slangs and swearings are the order of the day (Though in a whispering way) in the boardrooms and lunch corners. Right from Wall Street or Texas Oil Giants CEOs to Ordinary workers in Detroit, swearing happens all the more in high stake corporate games.

Sure, check my above point. I am also pretty sure all of you don't have sessions where they bring in other board members and teach them to swear. I am also sure you don't march down your opponents office and try to intimidate them by swearing - together. If you are really questioning my intelligence and refuse to understand what the key issues I have put forward - well, what can I say

No, I am not being moralistic about this - heck, we know better than that. But it is the students/alums of these two institutes who keep bringing up the morality card. May be that is all you have to wave at this point.

[monsterkartik]

Originally Posted by pagalguy

Not at all. Every one has the right to swear The troubling this is when an institute has a culture which teaches them how to swear and then bandies them together to go to play a match and shows off its swearing skills. Hey, I am not a prude - sure I've seen people swear, I swear - a lot of people do. But this is the first time I've seen a culture within an institute that teaches people to swear. If this has been their sense of fun, bonding - I'd say - heck find better ways.


Sure, check my above point. I am also pretty sure all of you don't have sessions where they bring in other board members and teach them to swear. I am also sure you don't march down your opponents office and try to intimidate them by swearing - together. If you are really questioning my intelligence and refuse to understand what the key issues I have put forward - well, what can I say

Just to say that, no one is being taught to swear, the way u have put it it sounds like they have swearing sessions in their class rooms .

I have said this earlier also, by emphasising and using terms like teaching you are taking this to some other tangent. Please lets not do this, and lets keep the instis name out of it

Cheers

MK