[getintoiimb]

eh!!!!
looks like im the last to post on this thread
i was quite surprised to see the video posted on the first page with the title "Shocking video"..wasnt something that great to be given attention like ripley's believe it or not ..this happens in almost all professional colleges(include law,medicine,engineering) and i feel as long as the XL and IIM-C junta are cool abt it why is this made an issue :huh: ?
i mean did some IIM-C guys personally sen du the video or did he report it to you pls bring it to the limelight so that it shuts all this controversy..
btw i liked that tune and i have started humming it in office..LMAO
i dont understand why the tax payers money is brought into the picture?
one more thing what is the proof that this video was by the IIM-C students :eh: ?
lets assume its IIM-C in what way is it going to stop ppl from joining IIM-C??we all know IIM-C is a kick *** insti..if this happens at harvard/yale will ppl stop writing GMAT and not go there?
i remember some yrs back we had an incident reported on PG on XLRI saying its seniors ragged the juniors etc etc and misbehaved getting drunk..did ppl not join XLRI after that?what is the objective behind posting this video :huh: ?kindly forgive me as im ignorant of what was the idea behind posting this video!
Whatever ppl say at the end its just one thing
IIM-C rocks and so does XL !!!
these things are not gonna affect their brand name/image anway..

[monsterkartik]

Originally Posted by murty001

But, I think people should have been sensible enough not to make a video of the abuses and post it on the world's largest video sharing site, thus making it accessible for anyone and everyone. Doesn't do good to the "reputation" of the institutes right? Well, don't give me the argument that there are loads of other videos like that on the net and it is quite common. Shitting early morning is also quite common to all human beings, that doesn't mean you get up one fine morning and start it right in the middle of the road! If this is something which is internal to IIMC-XL, then why the hell make it public in the first place? So is it some sort of a sting operation carried out by an IIMCian to "expose" what's going on? Find that out first before trying to point fingers at this forum. Whatever was found on the net was posted on the forum. Then why accuse the forum of trying to become a news channel? Do I have to point out that people from PGHQ were not the ones who made the video using hidden cams? So stop accusing the forum as a whole and try and take a second look at what has happened, if at all you care to do that. Needless to say that it doesn't affect the image of IIMC at all, for the time being amongst the junta who are present on the forum. But few years down the line, if someone aspiring for an MBA from one of these coveted institutes, comes across this video, I will doubt if he will hold a high opinion. Just think about it.

Murty brings in a very good point, that some stupid soul in this world (who might be a student at IIMC) did a criminal act by 1st capturing this kind of stuff on camera and then uploading it on worlds largest video sharing site. Murty

So, some stupid guy gets some shit to that largest site on the world, and we rather than trying to report abuse on that site itslef, bring such shit on to a public forum. Is that justified ?? Quoting the above post, if some day some guy feels like going shitting in the public and some stupid creature captures that on camera and uploads it on a site, we go and get that video and paste it on a public forum. are we going to do that ?? Its an individuals own perspective and we shall not comment on that

Why to accuse the forum for being a news channel - Tell me how many of the people on the forum wont know about such things happening. It would be around 10-15% max. So the junta knows this all is happening and is quite educated about such thinkgs happening in a b-school. By putting it on a forum all we are trying to get ourself is publicity . This wat is called Publicity stunts, used by people in Bollywood, small time actors (i need not mention those names here). Are we here for doing that? do we really need that??

Ok another point i would like to bring up here. Next time you get hold of a video where you find a b school couple together and doing stuff, then do u again bring it on to pagalguy and sensationalise that stuff too?? This is their own personal choice. They are all matured enough people who know whats good for them and whats not. Lets not come here to teach people about moral issues.

Also, i would request lets not highlight the word coaching. Just by putting more emphasis on this single word, we are taking this issue to a very serious issue. Please lets not make this one big issue on PG. We have better things to discuss, like inflation, Nuclear deal, vote of trust, CAT, XAT, foreign b schools and lots more. Lets keep are brains on these more important issues.

PS: We can continue discussing this issue, but a request to the administrators to please remove the video.

Cheers

MK

[profootball25]

Originally Posted by Apurv

Whoa! Quite a freight train of thought there!

About 10 years ago, the issue of ragging started gaining limelight in the ....

Even on PG, in 2004 XLRI was reported as having undergone a seriously wrong ragging incident - newspaper reports confirmed it - and yet there ........

In 2006 - one of the IIMs has a seriously nasty ragging incident where women were molested.....

When I asked one of the guys from that B-school about this, he shrugged it off as harmless fun and that every campus has a dirty secret and we need not worry about it. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Every year, we get PMs and mails from people across colleges reporting some or the other kind of abnormal behaviour. Most of them are women. .....

AIPGM was no different and I am ashamed to say that it reached some crass levels itself ......

Sure, ragging, the above incident and the video posted on this thread cause vastly varying degrees of distress. Some might say thet this video is harmless and cannot be compared to ragging. That however depends on how you look at the issue........

.....

Apparently things got quite ugly when IIMC gave the same behaviour to IIMB last year and the IIMB team was shocked......

but that people are being coached to abuse as an institutional part of culture.

Hmm nice post .. but you have opened up another issue.

Dekh yaar Apurv, All you have said is true. We all know about the 2004 XLRI Ragging incident ( not so sure about the 2006 IIM one ) but your detailed post with the quotes ( aptly mentioning the geographies leaves less to imagine ) does make it sound true.
My only point is . why did you not report this then?

Isnt that a much bigger issue ( misbehaviour with gals ) than this one?
As I have already said, "coaching" and "training" of people to abuse is a concern, but sledging as such is fine. In fact this year at Sangram the IIMK-IIMB sports meet, we had a strict no sledging against Gals rule.

Anyway back to the point. Yes the culture might be a concern at some institutes, as shown by your research and posts. Why did you not take it forward then?
To put up this video and talk about the appalling culture doesn't go together. I would have supported you a lot even for the 2004 ragging incident or the 2006 IIM incident, but there we had victims.

Try and contact the gals in the video individually. For them it was all fun. Maybe it was sick for some to see, but they will not complain that we were forced to do it. Someone from IIMC might throw more light on this.

The only problem here was
1) Some idiot who shot the video.
2) Some more who made it public.

Now the gals would have a problem. Coz what they thought was fun turns into public humiliation. Its very similar to when you get drunk and do not want your antics to be recorded.

Why everyone is getting to sentimental is because, you have gone further by making it the most watched video in 2008. Every1 in PG HQ knows the number of hits you get by all MBA Aspirants.

As I have said before, PG does give us an insiders view to everything that an MBA is, which should include the misgivings and the problems too. But if you try and think that there is a problem here when there was none, then you go a bit off track.

I still encourage you to report all issues and concerns raised to you via PM openly and discuss those.

In the 2004 XLRI incident, only a few hardcore loyalists defended XL, the rest were mum and other B Schoolers did not defend them in anyway.
Im sure even if you make the 2006 IIM incident open and question the culture, we would be equally critical of the same and not just defend it just coz it is an IIM and show "bhaichara"

I have no special pyar or hatred towards XLRI or IIMC, just trying to let you know that once you lose credibility its very difficult to regain it.

[Aarav]

Originally Posted by monsterkartik

that some stupid soul in this world (who might be a student at IIMC) did a criminal act by 1st capturing this kind of stuff on camera
Cheers

MK

Actually, there was a factual mistake in the article to start with -> the pictures are of XLRI campus and not IIMC. You can well imagine how excited the girls were to enter and start shouting

[AlpeshChaudhari]

Originally Posted by Apurv

You may disagree with us but we can still be friends.

We still are. We have loved PG's crativity so far, & people here. I think many of us are matured enough not to transofrm it into 'hatread'

When we first saw the video, we were genuinely shocked out of our feet. For nearly a week, we debated whether this should be put out or not and I will not deny, that internally in PGHQ we did have varying opinions - not whether it would amount to sensationalizing - but the same questions as put in the first post... is it shocking because they are women? Do we have a right to dabble in campus cultures? Is this momentary fun that should not be taken seriously? And so on.

The video is surely debatable. So far I have not said whether sledging is bad or good, & I will cont. not to make it as a central point of the debate. But making that as "shocking" is a cheesy marketing my friend.

About 10 years ago, the issue of ragging started gaining limelight in the media and initially, the reactions were quite similar to some right now - "Ragging is an internal campus matter and is a school administration problem, why should the nation care", "Ragging might be harsh but it ends in bonding of people", etc.
................. (all about ragging)

Why is this issue discussed here ? It was some time before. I don't know if there was a debate over this on PG on some thread or whether there was an article, one thing I am sure, no one would have been against the article in that case. There would be certain people in favor of ragging & certain against it, but I guess the issue would have been discussed preperly rather than the current debate.

To us, they are all part and symptom of one problem - that of extremely cheap standards of fun in our B-schools. They stem from and hide larger problems which we hope will start coming out one by one for everyone to see. Is there a victim here? Sure there is, but they don't choose to speak about it, because there is peer pressure. Even in IIMC - this video posted here has raised a lot of debate, we're told by an alumnus and this has been an election issue in the student committees. Apparently things got quite ugly when IIMC gave the same behaviour to IIMB last year and the IIMB team was shocked. It is not as if everyone in IIMC too is okay with the video. Of course out here, they all have to put up a brave face.

So why bash b-school ? It's the people there. It's the mob. 100 student go into some high class b-school does not mean they should have diff. standards of class. Remember those 100 are chosen among us only.

To wrap it up, we did this because we just felt very strongly about it. We do not need to indulge in sensationalism and I do not know how to defend that argument except leave it to people who know us personally and know that we do not come from that line of thinking.

How conveninent ?

Agreed with monsterkartik & murty001 about video shooting at the first place was a crime. And, murty channel should be, equally if not more, held responsible for that.

P.S. This issue has been discussed a lot I guess.Everyone is coming to the same point again & again. I second MK's request to close the thread or at least remove the video. Also, make necessary changes in the first post that are debatable & are clearly cheesy marketing strategies.

[Jackal]

sensational..

[get_amazed]

Shooting a video is not a crime.
Expressing emotions is not a crime.
Rivalry is not a crime.

But excess of anything, is a crime.

The behaviour of the girls is shocking, who so, simply because this has not been seen so prominently before or rather in-the-face before. But thats not the shocking part of it, theres so much more that can be found on the net.
Whats shocking about it is why did pagalguy allow this to be posted here.? Especially the video.

True, they have blurred the faces of the gals to protect their identity, but fact remains that i loved the last video to be posted here, much more more than this one. (the last video was of a pg meet.) This i believe would be the feeling of most othert people here as well. Some might feel this was a justified display of attitude, but then a wrong attitude displayed is not the right thing to display.

Comapring the above to sledging, sledging happens when there are players in the field, ever heard sledging off the field??? Thats known as "Bit***ing" i believe, and thats whats being done here. This is no sledging. A slug-fest with girls of both institutes could have been sledging, and may have even been enjoyed, but this one sided, coached and cheap verbal abuse bellitles not the prey but the predator.

For quite a few IIMC people would have lost face, the way this video has shsaped up to be. Not that we should say that all girls at such institutes are such as shown, but it always remains that we remeber achilles heel, and not his heart.

[SUPER XERO]

After watching the video ........ i feel the demand for 33% women reservation is NOT justified........

[SUPER XERO]

On a serious note .........
I have read on this thread various students from INDIAN INSTITUTE OF MANAGEMENT justifying this behaviour on the pretext of behaviour/dialect of students in various management and engineering institutes,saying that ..... "ye to harr college mein hota hain , har engineering/mgmt college mein hota hain , AIPGM mein hota hain" and then they raise a very relevant question Y SINGLE OUT IIM-C students????

I agreee that all this happens in various engg/mgmt colleges ....... and various mgmt institutes have this culture ........ but we all fail to understand the fact that it is not just an institute of management ....... it is "supposed" to be an INDIAN institute of management ..... my question is how do you justify the INDIANness in this act???? Aren't you guyz (@IIM'ites) supposed to lead the nation from the front with your innovation,behavior etc... IIM's are the best because they are made with a vision to help India constitute into a WELFARE STATE (i.e. y u ppl get best of funds/education/profs) .....Every other b-school / engg collg is NOT made with this vision , so , a differentiation between IIM'ites and other b-skoolers is au natural .And every time an act like this comes in-students from IIM's will be singled out, because the goal for which IIM'ites are studying mgmt (or supposed to be studying mgmt) is different from that of those students who r studying mgmt from an inst. which has a different vision. So,please try to live up to the expectations of your nation and make us all proud.

[andy_jaan]

Unsolicited Advice:sarcasm:

To the hundreds of friends blaming VA as their nemesis please go through this very thread carrying posts by who's who of PG (atleast all active souls)
Believe me, true test of language proficiency often comes during debates and you'll seldom find threads carrying emotions as charged up like this.
Happy Learning :laugh::laugh: