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re: [PaGaLGuY Debate] The dark side of our B-school campus cultures, traditions and more -
22-07-2008, 10:33 AM
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Such behavior is completely acceptable and even supported
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I don't really think the thread was started for that. May be as Aarav sir said words went wrong then. :(
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Most of you don't seem to have read or acknowledged that we have had similar thoughts at our own work place before we decided to bring this up
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Well, I am still new on the forum & may not know the some old discussions & threads, but as far as my knowledge, there was never a thread for discussing "sledging" or "sledging in B-school".
On the contrary, I remember reading some posts of "Life at XYZ B-school" (poiniting the name of b-school is not my point, the content is), about the sledging at sports event. But there was no discussion on that. No one raised that flag of decency & morality ?
So why on this perticular video ?
@ For all people who are convinced or at least trying to portray so,
Our argument is "Why was it necessary for this video to be discussed ? "
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22-07-2008, 10:42 AM
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I dont know, but what i ll say is that when you belong to instis like IIM C / XL then i think you can die for it, following such a tradition is a trivial thing and i think this is way an Alumini as strong as of IIM C / XL comes to life.
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If this is the trend being followed in most B-schools across India must say I am disappointed ! Following things only because they have been happening for years even if that may involve as crass a thing as "coaching" students who have no prior experience in swearing! I think this is a point all B-schoolers who have posted here have conveniently avoided so far! Does no one here have problems with that? Is everyone perfectly ok with this concept of "coaching"? And anyway to "die for" is a pretty serious term and should not be thrown away at will anywhere like that. Nobody "dies" for their alumni/institution !
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22-07-2008, 11:13 AM
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I am arguably surprised at the levels of backlash - but I am also not too surprised to see it because most of it is coming from business school students. Nope, this is not for traffic, nor sensational reporting.
The troubling thing for me is this -
a) Such behavior is completely acceptable and even supported
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Oh Alwin, I guess there's no need of this talk when this wonderful forum is already heading to hit sixth anniversary a month down. But then just to present the other side:-
That video reflects no behavior at all, yes no BEHAVIOR at all, imagine when my friend/room partner use to take a fifty Rs bill from my wallet when I was sleeping didn't mean he was a pick pocket or habitual defaulter but only he didn't want to disturb my sleep. There always two ways of looking at this in case you woke and catch him red handed  
So here there are few facts which can't be overlooked beyond passing a verdict specially if we wanna go to the extend of characterization here:-
- They are from IIMC as thats what everybody is saying though I don't know anyone of them personally and even somebody has camouflaged faces there.:sarcasm: But what I know for sure is that its takes something to be in IIMC something here means attributes related to individual's integrity and beyond.
- They are swearing !!
Yes they are, after all we have a video evidence this time , but are they trying to offend someone in reality? They mean the same hatred which we usually attach to these expletives? They routinely abuse at this level only in their day today talk? These activities are an integral part of their curriculum?
- Now just think again and let us know if all the answers in point two can be given by means of just a 10 second video??:sarcasm:
Dear PG HQ,
Yes we share your concern but not at the same extend and atleast never with this video as proof where half the crowd is more interested in laughing than swearing and whosoever has even once attend or seen crowd demonstrations/rallies (Yes I am from UP  ) will have to agree that at this pitch usually nobody understands what they are shouting (it can be even aabra-ka daabra, soda-lemon-lollipop   ) but being human and arguably as hard working as all of us they (IIMC girls  ) also need some mediums to vend their "by product excitement"
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22-07-2008, 11:14 AM
Whoa! Quite a freight train of thought there!
When we decided to go ahead and put the video, we really did not imagine that the opinion would sway SO MUCH in favor of the video being irrelevant. However as the last line of the first post stated, we were quite curious to know what you guys think of this issue and here we have it.
According to my last update, the video is reaching its way to the IIMC Director and from there on the issue will take a course that the gentleman thinks fit, which could be either way and we shall know in due course.
Coming back to the matter at hand... this is indeed a sensitive issue and the tempers flaring on this thread were something we expected. However, I shall put down our thoughts in a long post and would appreciate if all of you went through it patiently instead of skimming through it. You may disagree with us but we can still be friends.
When we first saw the video, we were genuinely shocked out of our feet. For nearly a week, we debated whether this should be put out or not and I will not deny, that internally in PGHQ we did have varying opinions - not whether it would amount to sensationalizing - but the same questions as put in the first post... is it shocking because they are women? Do we have a right to dabble in campus cultures? Is this momentary fun that should not be taken seriously? And so on.
For one week, we just showed the video to a lot of people - students from both institutes, alumni and got a lot of opinions in confidence. I will try to put forward what they've said in due course of this post.
About 10 years ago, the issue of ragging started gaining limelight in the media and initially, the reactions were quite similar to some right now - "Ragging is an internal campus matter and is a school administration problem, why should the nation care", "Ragging might be harsh but it ends in bonding of people", etc.
If any of you guys were following that issue back in that time, newspaper letters were resoundingly unanimous that ragging was an irrelevant issue. Even on PG, in 2004 XLRI was reported as having undergone a seriously wrong ragging incident - newspaper reports confirmed it - and yet there were disagreements between people posting on that thread about the seriousness of the issue. XLRI was adamant and asked us to stay away from their matters, as did some aspirants. Last year, a former Media Secy of XLRI wrote to us in an email admitting that the incident did happen - while asking us to delete that thread. We refused, of course.
In 2006 - one of the IIMs has a seriously nasty ragging incident where women were molested. One of the victims wrote to us with full details of what transpired and it hung our head in shame. In their insecurity, the committee at the IIM did a lot of slip ups in trying to get us to not cover the incident. However for all the intent we had on putting the story up and let the nation know, we could not do it because we did not have enough evidence and the lady in question was too traumatized to go on record. However, I am quoting the lady's friend who sent the following mail to us.
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XXXX it turns out has been a rather dangerous place for girls. Right from day 1 there have been numerous incidents to validate the same.
1. Ragging of girls by guys with rather intimate questions being asked.
2. Asking girls to do juvenile acts like run behind a senior and get his details
3. Eve teasing is rampant and shockingly quite open. cat calls, invitations to come to one's room are apallingly common.
4. Women are essentially seen as entertainment material for the remaining 80% of the batch. During their freshers event girls who performed a dance piece were invited to the L Block by PGP2 guys right out in the open audi. The incident which triggers this mail is this. There was an all girls party due tonight. Women went there and while the party was on a bunch of PGP2 guys barged in passing lewd remarks, singing songs like "choli ke peeche kya hai" . While this was happening a bunch of guys poured water from the 2nd floor on these girls. The whole exercise was extremely well coordinated and not one girl was left dry.
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Of course, as part of the damage control the student committee head of that IIM argued with us that all this was part of their culture and it was the lady who was being a killjoy. However behind the scenes, this was the apology letter which was being passed around by student authorities.
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Dear All, The PGP2's involved in yesterday's (09-07-06) incident at C block (dunking at the Girl's Block Party and their actions thereafter), have expressed their apologies in due earnest. Please find pasted below, the mail apologizing for their actions. This mail was sent out by those PGP2's who initiated the inappropriate incidentand was sent in by them entirely on their own volition. The incident as such is quite unfortunate and does not do justice to the traditions at XXXX, nor does it do justice to the standards of professionalism and etiquette in general, that we have shown so far, but it is a good sign that those responsible have owned up to it and have apologized in due earnest. Regards ABC
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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 11:46 PM
To: President - PGP Students
Subject: Apologies
Dear all, We would like to unequivocally apologize for tonight's incidents. We did not intend disrespect - however, we do realize that our actions were totally out of line and completely uncalled for. We have communicated to the junior batch that this was completely wrong, and we will ensure that this does not happen in the future. If we have hurt anyone's sentiments, we apologize profusely. Hope that you can find it within yourselves to forgive us.
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Why did they apologize if this was normal accepted behaviour and part of tradition? There is more than meets the eye in what happens on our B-school campuses and what we would like to believe. In 2004 again, a PG-ite in a B-school in the east (not IIMC or XLRI) reported this happening to me.
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A couple of 2nd yr guys are appointed to take pics of fresher girls secretly frm their mobiles. The pic are then posted on a zone on d intranet where the 2nd yr guys vote on each girl and decide who has to ht on whom. We cant say anything because frankly kaun sar phodega. We hav to ignore and move on. Some girls sem to enjoy this being done 2 them so gud luck to them.
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When I asked one of the guys from that B-school about this, he shrugged it off as harmless fun and that every campus has a dirty secret and we need not worry about it. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Every year, we get PMs and mails from people across colleges reporting some or the other kind of abnormal behaviour. Most of them are women. This can either mean two things - either the women in question are overreacting, or that there are a lot of problems with the system.
AIPGM was no different and I am ashamed to say that it reached some crass levels itself and we could not make it an event it should have been. Then too, we followed the same ideal - it's all fun and normal - when it was not. When you give unlimited liquor into the hands of a few guys, no 'healthy interaction' can come out of it - even though the quality of fun derived might differ. No wonder the newbies felt left out and they were justified in their complaints. There was crass conduct at AIPGM and we take full responsibility for it. It hangs upon us to correct our mistake in the next AIPGM and that we will, as you shall see. This debate about AIPGM will come up again next year and we will discuss it in detail. For one moment, let's keep aside all arguments of what is common and 'accepted' behaviour and ask, Where does one draw the line? Does a point come at all where we feel this is plain wrong, or is everything okay because it happens everywhere?
Sure, ragging, the above incident and the video posted on this thread cause vastly varying degrees of distress. Some might say thet this video is harmless and cannot be compared to ragging. That however depends on how you look at the issue.
To us, they are all part and symptom of one problem - that of extremely cheap standards of fun in our B-schools. They stem from and hide larger problems which we hope will start coming out one by one for everyone to see. Is there a victim here? Sure there is, but they don't choose to speak about it, because there is peer pressure. Even in IIMC - this video posted here has raised a lot of debate, we're told by an alumnus and this has been an election issue in the student committees. Apparently things got quite ugly when IIMC gave the same behaviour to IIMB last year and the IIMB team was shocked. It is not as if everyone in IIMC too is okay with the video. Of course out here, they all have to put up a brave face.
As for the taxpayer money matter - it is common knowledge that IIMs are government institutions. We cannot speak of XLRI in the same light as it is privately owned. But about the IIMs - should we care about the culture there? Well, should we care if MPs throw around mics at each other in the parliament? After all it is their office space and they can do what they want to so why do we care? Should we care if there is crass behaviour in some government department that doesn't directly affect us? Is it not the government's responsibility to ensure some minimum standards of decorum in public institutions? The matter in this video is not that people are abusing or that girls are abusing... but that people are being coached to abuse as an institutional part of culture.
All this is not linked to the quality of academics at IIMC and XLRI, which everyone knows is among the best in India. This however is a comment on the way the institution cultures deteriorate. And then you have this, substance abuse flowing freely in the alumni meets of some B-schools, etc.
To wrap it up, we did this because we just felt very strongly about it. We do not need to indulge in sensationalism and I do not know how to defend that argument except leave it to people who know us personally and know that we do not come from that line of thinking. Had we not raised this, we'd have carried on with the guilt of not having brought to light what we felt should be. As Editor of this site it would have been my dream had I had a networks of reporters and correspondents across the country to visit and complete all the unfinished stories of other institutes quoted above. I would have then confidently revealed the names of those institutes to you, but being a company with limited resources at my disposal limits me.
But then again, would it have mattered at all? Sigh... time for a coffee.
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22-07-2008, 11:16 AM
I have not read the complete thread and all replies but really surprised to see that people are supporting such type of behaviour.....
Yesterday I was watching a video of KIRAN BEDI where she was saying that integrity and your conscience is your true friend and they will always help you to become a good human being.Alas!!!!! today i saw such a shocking video and that too by students of a respectable institute.I sometimes fail to understand how much bigshot one becomes in life after passing from such institute but when one retrospect and remember the college days Is not these things give a sense of GUILT???
I was reading the post of a avid member of PG (I am not writing his name intentionaly)and it was written WINNING IS NOT EVERYTHING IT IS THE ONLYTHING....IS that So?If that being the case i will suggest him dude there is a need to get back to school and get some good Gyan.
The real problem is not with the video but with our education system.I dont want to comment on that we all are well aware of .I just want to say one more point that just because some other institute whether in INDIA or Abroad is doing the same doesnot give us the license to do it.
It makes me difficult to understand that we are from a nation where we chant the slogan "ATITI DEVO BHAVA".I would like to say only one thing to all the people using abusive language on others "Dont consider it a healthy competetion..If you have the courage beat the rivals in the competition itself"
I know we all complain against RACISM and the above video is not about Rascism but if we think Deep the root cause of both the unacceptable behaviours is the same "Not Giving Respect to other Human Being and his individuality ".
I just want to say there is a high need of reevaluating our education system or else We will always run short of potential KIRAN BEDIs....
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22-07-2008, 11:17 AM
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A search of Youtube.com reveals more examples of the high vocabulary passed on as 'culture' from second year students to first year students.
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The "vocabulary" comes to an average Indian at a very young age, much before he's into the B-School. Take me as an example...my mother tongue is Telugu. In my engineering days, when I set out to learn the national language, the A, B, C's that I picked up from my peers were maa, behen ki gaalis. These are picked up (not passed on), not in a B-School, but at a place that's responsible for educating the B-schoolers at least 4 years earlier.
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All of us at the PaGaLGuY office were appalled at the video. But we were aware that a lot of people will justify it using one or more of the following arguments.
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Having known you guys for a while, I can claim with conviction that there are people in the HQ who would consider the video as something that's highly normal, or even better - an everyday affair.
Now, this is exactly the stuff that channels like Aaj Tak are made up of. If PG's heading the same way...God Bless!
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"What is so shocking about it? Don't we see it everywhere these days? Movies, TV, what have you? Sab chalta hai yaar."
"You're shocked because it's women who're abusing. Had it been men you would be okay. You clearly believe in a male dominating society."
"Why don't you also look at the good things these institutes do? Just because they hurl abuses at mothers doesn't mean they're bad people."
We strongly felt that these arguments were heavily misplaced. We talked to a few students from both these institutes and came to one conclusion - B-schools with traditionally male-dominated batches have created large pockets of tasteless campus culture, which haven't changed since the number of women increased.
In cases of videos such as this one, ordinary people from good backgrounds choose to let go of their poise to indulge in mindless crass behaviour just so that they can fit into something they can't change.
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I hope you do take out a minute to understand the difference between a conclusion and a theory. There's a thin line, my friend. What you propose here is a theory, which might seem to be an apt explanation.
Here goes an alternate theory:
The folks in the video, apparently, watched a hell lot of Hollywood movies, especially those that target the college-going junta. During inter-college showdowns, mud-slinging posed as a powerful weapon to unsettle the opposition. The IIMC junta, simply replicated this strategic-model in their inter-college showdown with XLRI.
Well, it might not be as sensational as the theory proposed by you, but I'm sure, it qualifies as a theory, which explains the facts (stated in your article) to a great extent.
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We spoke to IIM Calcutta's Dean of Programmes and Initiatives Prof Saibal Chattopadhyaya, who chose to distance himself from the video and seemed more concerned if the video was uploaded from IIM Calcutta servers. Asked if he was worried about what he saw in the video and had subsequent concerns about the campus culture within IIM Calcutta, he said, "I have to verify first if these students (in the video) are indeed ours but until then I can't say anything."
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And now, PG's playing the spoilsport!
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What we want to ask is, are we okay with our country's taxpayer-funded educational institutions being utilized this way? Can these campuses ever compete with Harvard and Oxfords of the world? Most importantly, is this the right thing and are you okay with what you see?
We don't think so, but we'd like to know your views. Feel free to post your comments below or on this thread.
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Felt free to post my views, not on the issue raised, but on the direction in which PG's headed. I'm disappointed with you guys. This is not the kind of reporting standards I expect PG to maintain.
Instead of poking your noses into what happens inside a B-School and acting as a destructive force, you guys should stick to doing constructive things - the stuff that you've been doing all these days. I urge you to rediscover yourselves.
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22-07-2008, 11:39 AM
I don't understand. I mean, it was bound to be that way wherein this was going to shock some and not a few more. But what I really can't understand is the linking of college name. Yes, someone will point out that this is passed on as college culture and that these people are trained by a senior. But at the end of the day these people are mature adults and their decision to get involved in something like this is at a totally personal level. Judge the people if you dont like it and not the college.
If these epople, as you argue, are at premier institues after appearing for CAT/XAT etc and appearing for personality testing procedures, then I'm assuming they are mature enough to making an intelligent decision. I am one aspirant who would still give a limb to get into these colleges because a behaviour of few doesn't change anything for me. Id stay aaway from such people.
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Whoa! Quite a freight train of thought there!
When we decided to go ahead and put the video, we really did not imagine that the opinion would sway SO MUCH in favor of the video being irrelevant. However as the last line of the first post stated, we were quite curious to know what you guys think of this issue and here we have it.
According to my last update, the video is reaching its way to the IIMC Director and from there on the issue will take a course that the gentleman thinks fit, which could be either way and we shall know in due course.
Coming back to the matter at hand... this is indeed a sensitive issue and the tempers flaring on this thread were something we expected. However, I shall put down our thoughts in a long post and would appreciate if all of you went through it patiently instead of skimming through it. You may disagree with us but we can still be friends.
When we first saw the video, we were genuinely shocked out of our feet. For nearly a week, we debated whether this should be put out or not and I will not deny, that internally in PGHQ we did have varying opinions - not whether it would amount to sensationalizing - but the same questions as put in the first post... is it shocking because they are women? Do we have a right to dabble in campus cultures? Is this momentary fun that should not be taken seriously? And so on.
For one week, we just showed the video to a lot of people - students from both institutes, alumni and got a lot of opinions in confidence. I will try to put forward what they've said in due course of this post.
About 10 years ago, the issue of ragging started gaining limelight in the media and initially, the reactions were quite similar to some right now - "Ragging is an internal campus matter and is a school administration problem, why should the nation care", "Ragging might be harsh but it ends in bonding of people", etc.
If any of you guys were following that issue back in that time, newspaper letters were resoundingly unanimous that ragging was an irrelevant issue. Even on PG, in 2004 XLRI was reported as having undergone a seriously wrong ragging incident - newspaper reports confirmed it - and yet there were disagreements between people posting on that thread about the seriousness of the issue. XLRI was adamant and asked us to stay away from their matters, as did some aspirants. Last year, a former Media Secy of XLRI wrote to us in an email admitting that the incident did happen - while asking us to delete that thread. We refused, of course.
In 2006 - one of the IIMs has a seriously nasty ragging incident where women were molested. One of the victims wrote to us with full details of what transpired and it hung our head in shame. In their insecurity, the committee at the IIM did a lot of slip ups in trying to get us to not cover the incident. However for all the intent we had on putting the story up and let the nation know, we could not do it because we did not have enough evidence and the lady in question was too traumatized to go on record. However, I am quoting the lady's friend who sent the following mail to us.
Of course, as part of the damage control the student committee head of that IIM argued with us that all this was part of their culture and it was the lady who was being a killjoy. However behind the scenes, this was the apology letter which was being passed around by student authorities.
Why did they apologize if this was normal accepted behaviour and part of tradition? There is more than meets the eye in what happens on our B-school campuses and what we would like to believe. In 2004 again, a PG-ite in a B-school in the east (not IIMC or XLRI) reported this happening to me.
When I asked one of the guys from that B-school about this, he shrugged it off as harmless fun and that every campus has a dirty secret and we need not worry about it. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Every year, we get PMs and mails from people across colleges reporting some or the other kind of abnormal behaviour. Most of them are women. This can either mean two things - either the women in question are overreacting, or that there are a lot of problems with the system.
AIPGM was no different and I am ashamed to say that it reached some crass levels itself and we could not make it an event it should have been. Then too, we followed the same ideal - it's all fun and normal - when it was not. When you give unlimited liquor into the hands of a few guys, no 'healthy interaction' can come out of it - even though the quality of fun derived might differ. No wonder the newbies felt left out and they were justified in their complaints. There was crass conduct at AIPGM and we take full responsibility for it. It hangs upon us to correct our mistake in the next AIPGM and that we will, as you shall see. This debate about AIPGM will come up again next year and we will discuss it in detail. For one moment, let's keep aside all arguments of what is common and 'accepted' behaviour and ask, Where does one draw the line? Does a point come at all where we feel this is plain wrong, or is everything okay because it happens everywhere?
Sure, ragging, the above incident and the video posted on this thread cause vastly varying degrees of distress. Some might say thet this video is harmless and cannot be compared to ragging. That however depends on how you look at the issue.
To us, they are all part and symptom of one problem - that of extremely cheap standards of fun in our B-schools. They stem from and hide larger problems which we hope will start coming out one by one for everyone to see. Is there a victim here? Sure there is, but they don't choose to speak about it, because there is peer pressure. Even in IIMC - this video posted here has raised a lot of debate, we're told by an alumnus and this has been an election issue in the student committees. Apparently things got quite ugly when IIMC gave the same behaviour to IIMB last year and the IIMB team was shocked. It is not as if everyone in IIMC too is okay with the video. Of course out here, they all have to put up a brave face.
As for the taxpayer money matter - it is common knowledge that IIMs are government institutions. We cannot speak of XLRI in the same light as it is privately owned. But about the IIMs - should we care about the culture there? Well, should we care if MPs throw around mics at each other in the parliament? After all it is their office space and they can do what they want to so why do we care? Should we care if there is crass behaviour in some government department that doesn't directly affect us? Is it not the government's responsibility to ensure some minimum standards of decorum in public institutions? The matter in this video is not that people are abusing... but that people are being coached to abuse.
All this is not linked to the quality of academics at IIMC and XLRI, which everyone knows is among the best in India. This however is a comment on the way the institution cultures deteriorate. And then you have this, substance abuse flowing freely in the alumni meets of some B-schools, etc.
To wrap it up, we did this because we just felt very strongly about it. We do not need to indulge in sensationalism and I do not know how to defend that argument except leave it to people who know us personally and know that we do not come from that line of thinking. Had we not raised this, we'd have carried on with the guilt of not having brought to light what we felt should be. As Editor of this site it would have been my dream had I had a networks of reporters and correspondents across the country to visit and complete all the unfinished stories of other institutes quoted above. I would have then confidently revealed the names of those institutes to you, but being a company with limited resources at my disposal limits me.
But then again, would it have mattered at all? Sigh... time for a coffee.
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well as far as passing lewd remarks with girls it is not uncommon and mostly done by perverts who aint good enuff to get 1 themselves ..
and many can be find in iims or other high rated mbas
poor souls i pity them :smile:
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Huh? Took pains to go through the enitre thread, from office  . What's worse is, my manager got to know I am preparing for CAT so he always keeps an eye on me
Anyway, coming to the point. I know a bit about this IIMC-XL meets as I am orignally from jamshedpur(stayed there for 25 years) and also I have quite a few friends who have passed out from IIMC and XL. Yes, all this is "friendly" bantering to the students on both sides. But, I think people should have been sensible enough not to make a video of the abuses and post it on the world's largest video sharing site, thus making it accessible for anyone and everyone. Doesn't do good to the "reputation" of the institutes right? Well, don't give me the argument that there are loads of other videos like that on the net and it is quite common. Shitting early morning is also quite common to all human beings, that doesn't mean you get up one fine morning and start it right in the middle of the road! If this is something which is internal to IIMC-XL, then why the hell make it public in the first place? So is it some sort of a sting operation carried out by an IIMCian to "expose" what's going on? Find that out first before trying to point fingers at this forum. Whatever was found on the net was posted on the forum. Then why accuse the forum of trying to become a news channel? Do I have to point out that people from PGHQ were not the ones who made the video using hidden cams? So stop accusing the forum as a whole and try and take a second look at what has happened, if at all you care to do that. Needless to say that it doesn't affect the image of IIMC at all, for the time being amongst the junta who are present on the forum. But few years down the line, if someone aspiring for an MBA from one of these coveted institutes, comes across this video, I will doubt if he will hold a high opinion. Just think about it.
As for PGHQ, guys it could have been for a good motive or maybe not. But articles following such "breaking news" should be strong, very strong. There were a lot of points in the first post which were debatable if you look at those points and those points alone, and neglect the overall picture the article wants to present. And I guess we all know that people here sometimes are too tired to get the whole picture before posting  .
As for people who found this video "appalling". Do I take it for granted then that all of you who are appearing for CAT this year are not going to apply to IIMC?
And now I am running away before I am ripped apart both by the users here and my manager as well
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22-07-2008, 12:31 PM
I am relatively new to pg compared to the stalwarts here..but somehow I felt the urge to post my opinion about this.. I thought of summarizing my thoughts and wanted to establish my stand using as few words as possible and this is what came to my mind about what the girls in the video are saying: ' What they mean is more important than what they say'
Do these girls really mean what they say? Are they really exhibiting enmity, spreading hatred and hurting people? Their smiles in the video clearly say that the answer to these questions is NO. And I am sure the intended recipients of this swearing will also receive this with a smile.
Context is the most important thing. You can address your friend with a word that is considered highly taboo and get away with it. But when you use the same word to your college HOD, you are gone. Not because the word gets a new meaning here but because you are not expected to say that to him and the fact that you have said implies you really mean it.
We see such things happening in high school sports meet. I am surprised that people are shocked to know that such things happen in b-schools!
And finally what's the need for a first page article! Clearly the odd one out among other informative articles. (I was very happy when I saw the article about IIM Shillong)
Taxpayer?!  How does this fit in here? A few casual words do not mean taxpayers' money is wasted. Far far far fetched conclusion.
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