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Well as per my interaction with people from different university right from north to south to west, there are many univ where 80% is not a difficult task to get and if you consider the famous bell curve, they are right at top in terms of frequency which makes the cut off for that college higher
And as far as lower marks are considered, the person concerned might himself know where he stands and there were no groans for that reason from them!!
Moreover there are people from varied university in the college and thats how they normalise the marks, also the person with 69% would not be the only person applying from that university, surely with a good college like sp jain the topper must have applied too
that is how normalisation is done!!
both current and past data are taken into consideration!!

in that case IIM-B is worse, they do not normalise marks!!
i hope that solves your confusion!!



Hi Vasudha

m pretty confused abt ur attitude or maybe the change of it.
after the result ur attitude is this.
Before the surprisingly 3rd list was out ur attitude was like in below 2 posts:

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POST 1

19-02-2008, 09:41 AM
Posted By vasudhaverma
Re: SP JAIn second shortlist out
Checked up the results and the profile people are posting
Some of them themselves admit they were pure lucky
So you mean to say SPJIMR is giving calls to students who themselves do not know there worth "clap clap"
Must say a far sighted college!!

As far as acads are concerned I was never 2nd in my school from Class IV to X

My school was DPS mathura road which had about 9 sections each filled with about 50 students!!

My college acads were pretty decent with DR Rank 10 Computer Science
I am from NSIT, Hope it comes under Premier Institutes by many standards

I am working with ST Microelectronics as Senior Software Developer which
is perhaps amongs Top 5 chip makers only after Intel
Work ex 20 months!!

I heard questions about family background!!
My Dad is from IIT-D (Enterpreneur) and my mother is PhD in Inorganic Chemistry teaching in Venky (DU)

That leaves quite a many questions unanswered!! Right!!
I have XLRI call and I am damn confy of converting it!!

I do not mind losing on SP JAIN, but I would love to receive a feedback on it? There must be a merit list prepared considering various parameters, I would like to know my rank on the merit list and final merit rank till which calls were given!!

Thanks!!


POST 2

Re: SP JAIn second shortlist out - 18-02-2008, 09:57 PM
Posted By vasudhaverma
Well then how do you justify the inclusion of a fresher with both the scores less then a working person like me
With his acads lesser, and extra curriculars the same
School and college being more or less the same
Moreover if they give profile based calls there is a way of putting it say in the form of marks as SCMHRD has done in its final merit lists
Lots of people who thought they had a decent GD,PI could not make it may be coz of acads,work ex and other parts of profile
they had marks and it was automated
not like a lottery system
we are not against profile based calls but surely against lack of transparency and so much of subjectivity
 I hope i got my point through!!
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YES Vasudha

Now can u just tell me is this change of heart becoz u got a call, or maybe becoz of the very high percentages u have got throughout, u feel u were the only deserving one?? the change of attitude has confused me. becoz u feel u deserved this call, and which u said in few of your last posts too, far back in jan or feb, does this mean that nw that u got a call, none of the deserving ones are left out??

We r not here to praise a insti just becoz we r a part of it and ofcourse degrade it if we r not part of it. its better that we dont take out conclusions or say, no Spjimr is doing everything perfectly, n thats becoz, we are shouting at the top of our voices for just a note f Transparency from them (Which if u see, u too demanded in ur above post) we r not after their lives just becoz we get some fun out of it or maybe becoz we feel only we were deserving and no one else. so it wud be better u clarify ur stand, against the figures u quoted and the a set mindset u wish to take becoz the change in attitude surprises me. there must b many good ones deserving this seat n thats y they r shattered, we r not asking for this seat knowing we r menial or low or Failures. Most of them have been toppers liek u.

And infact none of us now even wants the seat, we just want A Bit of Transparency and i just hope u get what we wish to pursue and stop convincing us abt Everything being ok (becoz its been ok with u) becoz we dont WANT THE SEAT, WE WANT TRANSPARENCY N U CANT GIVE US THAT BECOZ U R A CANDIDATE AND NOT IN THEIR ADMIN.
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@All

Just a suggestion..

Please identify the purpose of this thread and where it's heading. There's no point in engaging in abuses against the institute (because posts on PG surely won't go a long way in harming any institute's reputation) and amongst yourselves. You guys had grievances and we tried to answer them. If you're still not satisfied, take whatever formal / official approach seems best to you. But at least try to put your efforts into a fruitful direction rather than beating this topic to death on an already over-burdened thread.

It took the courage of a 22 year old, visually challenged Vaishnavi to get information out of IIM Bangalore using an RTI. It didn't happen with a bunch of ridiculing posts on PG. I doubt if an RTI could help in SPJIMR's case, but if you guys want a radical change in the system/ greater transparency, then you better have concentrated and directed efforts.

Cheers...
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@All

Just a suggestion..

Please identify the purpose of this thread and where it's heading. There's no point in engaging in abuses against the institute (because posts on PG surely won't go a long way in harming any institute's reputation) and amongst yourselves. You guys had grievances and we tried to answer them. If you're still not satisfied, take whatever formal / official approach seems best to you. But at least try to put your efforts into a fruitful direction rather than beating this topic to death on an already over-burdened thread.

It took the courage of a 22 year old, visually challenged Vaishnavi to get information out of IIM Bangalore using an RTI. It didn't happen with a bunch of ridiculing posts on PG. I doubt if an RTI could help in SPJIMR's case, but if you guys want a radical change in the system/ greater transparency, then you better have concentrated and directed efforts.

Cheers...


True.. Very true.. And that's where things are seemingly heading i guess. An embarrassing court battle.. But should we be forced to that? Does a school of SPJ's stature want something like that? I dont know..

A little bit of empathy shown on the part of the admin by making their process transparent is not a huge task i believe.. never mind.. I have been to the school.. know a lot of ppl there.. and i would have dearly loved to be part of the school.. but alas, that wont be the case anymore..

And frankly, when i went for the SPJCM interview, i told them one simple thing... That I'am more than what these pieces of paper (certificates) say that I am... And after my interview, i was asked whether I had applied for SPJIMR and i said yes, but i wasn't called.. And that ONE look in their faces said it all.. SPJIMR was WRONG..

And yeah, I am satisfied... 8-)

But finally, if it takes a PIL to bring transparency, so be it.. and a PIL you shall have.. soon.. But i sincerely hope that the college sees sense in not stretching things too far...

"Beware the ides of MARCH"... :wink:

P.S: And yeah, this will be my last post on the topic. Im sick and tired of these useless discussions taking us nowhere.. Its time we did something really concrete.. for the sake of the nxt yr applicants atleast.. ppl just PM me and lets discuss these stuff in private and work out a solution..

@All those getting into SPJIMR this year..

Congrats and hope you all do extremely well... !! And as a privileged lot getting into one of India's top b school, you have in front of you a request.. no.. make it a responsibility... You ppl are on the other side of the system, yes, but dont forget you were once on this side too.. Do your bit to make life easier for ur juniors.. Speak to ur adcom.. urge them, prod them, pester them.. but somehow make them realise their folly... Help make a better SPJIMR tomorrow.. Help make a better tomorrow for a lot of hardworking youngsters.. Thanks..
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If it has to be an RTI than so be it.. or even a court case... something drastic definitely needs to be done... the whole selection process has made a mockery of values like transparency and accountability what with 3 lists, names being repeated in lists etc.etc....

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in that case IIM-B is worse, they do not normalise marks!!
i hope that solves your confusion!!



Please do not involve an institute of a stature like IIM-B in this... and worse compare with SPJIMR!!!! And please double check your facts before you post anything...

Following extract from IIM B Admission Process..

"2) For all candidates in the first shortlist as stated in (1), the candidates' percentage scores
in the 10th and 12th board exams will be initially adjusted by dividing each such score by
the 90th percentile score obtained in that board. The database of 10th and 12th scores of
all CAT applicants of the past two years will be used for identifying the 90th percentile
score for each 10th and 12th board for this purpose.
3) For all candidates in the first shortlist as stated in (1), final scores obtained by the
candidate will be used for the bachelors degree and professional degrees (if any).
Incomplete or intermediate scores will be considered only if the candidate's final score is
pending. Thus, for final year bachelor's degree candidates, their incomplete graduation
score would be taken in lieu of final graduation score. Graduation scores will be
standardized within their respective categories. This gives the standardized score for the
bachelor's degree for all candidates in the first shortlist."

Link to the file: http://www.iimb.ernet.in/iimb/docs/PGPSelection2008.pdf
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Hi Vasudha

m pretty confused abt ur attitude or maybe the change of it.
after the result ur attitude is this.
Before the surprisingly 3rd list was out ur attitude was like in below 2 posts:

___________________________________________________
POST 1

19-02-2008, 09:41 AM
Posted By vasudhaverma
Re: SP JAIn second shortlist out
Checked up the results and the profile people are posting
Some of them themselves admit they were pure lucky
So you mean to say SPJIMR is giving calls to students who themselves do not know there worth "clap clap"
Must say a far sighted college!!

As far as acads are concerned I was never 2nd in my school from Class IV to X

My school was DPS mathura road which had about 9 sections each filled with about 50 students!!

My college acads were pretty decent with DR Rank 10 Computer Science
I am from NSIT, Hope it comes under Premier Institutes by many standards

I am working with ST Microelectronics as Senior Software Developer which
is perhaps amongs Top 5 chip makers only after Intel
Work ex 20 months!!

I heard questions about family background!!
My Dad is from IIT-D (Enterpreneur) and my mother is PhD in Inorganic Chemistry teaching in Venky (DU)

That leaves quite a many questions unanswered!! Right!!
I have XLRI call and I am damn confy of converting it!!

I do not mind losing on SP JAIN, but I would love to receive a feedback on it? There must be a merit list prepared considering various parameters, I would like to know my rank on the merit list and final merit rank till which calls were given!!

Thanks!!


POST 2

Re: SP JAIn second shortlist out - 18-02-2008, 09:57 PM
Posted By vasudhaverma
Well then how do you justify the inclusion of a fresher with both the scores less then a working person like me
With his acads lesser, and extra curriculars the same
School and college being more or less the same
Moreover if they give profile based calls there is a way of putting it say in the form of marks as SCMHRD has done in its final merit lists
Lots of people who thought they had a decent GD,PI could not make it may be coz of acads,work ex and other parts of profile
they had marks and it was automated
not like a lottery system
we are not against profile based calls but surely against lack of transparency and so much of subjectivity
 I hope i got my point through!!
_____________________________________________________

YES Vasudha

Now can u just tell me is this change of heart becoz u got a call, or maybe becoz of the very high percentages u have got throughout, u feel u were the only deserving one?? the change of attitude has confused me. becoz u feel u deserved this call, and which u said in few of your last posts too, far back in jan or feb, does this mean that nw that u got a call, none of the deserving ones are left out??

We r not here to praise a insti just becoz we r a part of it and ofcourse degrade it if we r not part of it. its better that we dont take out conclusions or say, no Spjimr is doing everything perfectly, n thats becoz, we are shouting at the top of our voices for just a note f Transparency from them (Which if u see, u too demanded in ur above post) we r not after their lives just becoz we get some fun out of it or maybe becoz we feel only we were deserving and no one else. so it wud be better u clarify ur stand, against the figures u quoted and the a set mindset u wish to take becoz the change in attitude surprises me. there must b many good ones deserving this seat n thats y they r shattered, we r not asking for this seat knowing we r menial or low or Failures. Most of them have been toppers liek u.

And infact none of us now even wants the seat, we just want A Bit of Transparency and i just hope u get what we wish to pursue and stop convincing us abt Everything being ok (becoz its been ok with u) becoz we dont WANT THE SEAT, WE WANT TRANSPARENCY N U CANT GIVE US THAT BECOZ U R A CANDIDATE AND NOT IN THEIR ADMIN.


Well I did not want this to be one on one
but since u stated it, yes change of heart for the institute because i was impressed by there normalization theory!!
not many colleges do this, do they?
correct me if my wrong!!

in case you feel there is something wrong with there calculation you can come with your data regarding the results/marks given in your university

as far as the call was concerned i never even sent my name in the list for clarifications!! i had asked for the parameters and my query was answered when they gave there views on excel sheet posted

in case you also want transparency regarding the normalisation procedure you can compare the profile of people from your college/univ who got the call!!
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Please do not involve an institute of a stature like IIM-B in this... and worse compare with SPJIMR!!!! And please double check your facts before you post anything...

Following extract from IIM B Admission Process..

"2) For all candidates in the first shortlist as stated in (1), the candidates percentage scores
in the 10th and 12th board exams will be initially adjusted by dividing each such score by
the 90th percentile score obtained in that board. The database of 10th and 12th scores of
all CAT applicants of the past two years will be used for identifying the 90th percentile
score for each 10th and 12th board for this purpose.
3) For all candidates in the first shortlist as stated in (1), final scores obtained by the
candidate will be used for the bachelors degree and professional degrees (if any).
Incomplete or intermediate scores will be considered only if the candidates final score is
pending. Thus, for final year bachelors degree candidates, their incomplete graduation
score would be taken in lieu of final graduation score. Graduation scores will be standardized within their respective categories. This gives the standardized score for the
bachelors degree for all candidates in the first shortlist."

Link to the file: http://www.iimb.ernet.in/iimb/docs/PGPSelection2008.pdf


within respective categories they never meant within universities also?
i think by categories they meant something else?
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munna man Says
are u sure about what u said ? kindly confirm whatever u say... it IS still very tough to get 80% marks in many colleges in India... maybe not in yours...


i thnk vasudhaverma is rite.....80% is now a moderate score(not even a good one) in many univ. ..this is specially true for univ. that have gone fot CGPA for marks(read all the NIT's)...lik in NIT Alld, more than 10% of batch gets 90%+ and it's atleast 30-35% perople getting 80%+...actually it's even ,ore than that..........

80% is a good score and not an excellent one
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@NIDHI

i am beaten for reason wen i see that u have now started getting one on one
...quoting someon's post(vasudhaverma) bfore and aftr the results is the height of immature behaviour...it goes to show how much efforts u r putting in to generate arguments to demean SPJ,just hope these efforts wud be saved for a prudent and genuine endeavour

i was shortlisted in the second list only(first list of CAT's scores)...but if u see my initial few posts ,u will realise that how much SPJ went down in mu eyes .i questioned the cllg even though I got a call but even I have changed my attitude now seeing that SPJ has done so tremendously well in giving us feedbacks wen it is not obliged to give any explanation to anybody ..why didn't u quote my posts because u cudn't have got any reason for change in my behaviour(since i was already shortlisted and still chose to voice my opinion against smthing which i thot was wrong)
..isn't it.......u picked up smebody's post so that u can accuse the person of changing mindsets on getting a call..this is just not done....please remember that accusing anybody else only goes to show how u regret not getting selected and all this transparency etc etc etc is just a farce(sry if it hurts u but i am forced to do write this, u hav crosses all limits)

@PRASANNA,ABHINAV and SENIORS
I just hope that u don't get disheartened and dissapointed because u are getting even more flak on that wonderful initiative of urs(providing feedbacks)...let me assure u here that these few people who are hell bent on finding faults are very few in number and the majority of junta appreciates and applauds ur gesture,just that it doesn't choose to write it here..cheers
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Well I did not want this to be one on one
but since u stated it, yes change of heart for the institute because i was impressed by there normalization theory!!
not many colleges do this, do they?
correct me if my wrong!!

in case you feel there is something wrong with there calculation you can come with your data regarding the results/marks given in your university

as far as the call was concerned i never even sent my name in the list for clarifications!! i had asked for the parameters and my query was answered when they gave there views on excel sheet posted

in case you also want transparency regarding the normalisation procedure you can compare the profile of people from your college/univ who got the call!!


Dear Vasudha

i have no intention to hurt u or go one on one with you. but see na, its u who feels justice has been done. how do u justify others stand. u knw only abt urself. so its ok for u to get a call. we r happy abt it.
dont take a wrong meaning of my mesaage. i never blamed SPjain fr calling ppl from the list we sent. i just said, that the reasons they give r from the past profile, which we cannot change then y to keep such ppl waiting??
i m not imposing also that Spjain ko change hona hi padega varna we would do something. m just asking for it to listen n see if it is possible to do that.
the only thing i fail to understand is that u, prasanna, abhinav_kishore, funwithmanshu.. what is the problem. if someone is starting some thing, and its regarding ur college, or a college u find as the best or any reasons, is there some problem in talking?? in discussing, in feedback??

so many groans, such HI-FI attitude showing we dont listen, we ignore, man no one wants u to listen.. we r not concerned with you. We want institute to change, not you ppl.. and only if it can jus try to change.

i think we r doing positive, and dont even intend to harm spjain, only intention some talks..a little CHANGE.. its instis problem.. we dont expect things to change so fast, but say they change after 1 yr, 2 yr, 3 yrs and this change is advantageos for institute or applicants, WATS THE PROBLEM at ur end? why r u ppl taking it personally?? y r u trying to justify??

U feel that something went totally rgt with you, becoz it had to, u were meanty to be selected. u deserveed it. BUT u dont knw the profiles of many other ppl (and i m not talking abt myself), so how can u say that they r dissatisfied without any reason? try to be in the shoes of other person.
No one is perfect. Maybe we r wrong, but isnt it possible that some mistake mgt have happened from SPJAINs side too? is it perfect?? so y r u trying to justify it as a student, y not listen as a human?

and vasu (i hope u dont mind me calling u that) i dint get wat normalisation theory u r talking abt. its u whom that suited becoz u got call. u cud have been one who dint get call n i bet u wud b blaming spjain then ,even if that normaolisation theory wud have been out.

like u many cases who were toppers and do deserve n yes they can miss the call too, m not blaming spjain. but maybe we ALL can STRIVE TO MOVE TOWARDS PERFECTION than be adamant enuf not to move a bit..

I JUST HOPE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEANT TO SAY....
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@NIDHI

i am beaten for reason wen i see that u have now started getting one on one
...quoting someon's post(vasudhaverma) bfore and aftr the results is the height of immature behaviour...it goes to show how much efforts u r putting in to generate arguments to demean SPJ,just hope these efforts wud be saved for a prudent and genuine endeavour

i was shortlisted in the second list only(first list of CAT's scores)...but if u see my initial few posts ,u will realise that how much SPJ went down in mu eyes .i questioned the cllg even though I got a call but even I have changed my attitude now seeing that SPJ has done so tremendously well in giving us feedbacks wen it is not obliged to give any explanation to anybody ..why didn't u quote my posts because u cudn't have got any reason for change in my behaviour(since i was already shortlisted and still chose to voice my opinion against smthing which i thot was wrong)
..isn't it.......u picked up smebody's post so that u can accuse the person of changing mindsets on getting a call..this is just not done....please remember that accusing anybody else only goes to show how u regret not getting selected and all this transparency etc etc etc is just a farce(sry if it hurts u but i am forced to do write this, u hav crosses all limits)

@PRASANNA,ABHINAV and SENIORS
I just hope that u don't get disheartened and dissapointed because u are getting even more flak on that wonderful initiative of urs(providing feedbacks)...let me assure u here that these few people who are hell bent on finding faults are very few in number and the majority of junta appreciates and applauds ur gesture,just that it doesn't choose to write it here..cheers


funwithmanshu

i dint quote ur post becoz i dint even know that ur there in spjain list. GOT it. i dont intend to harm her even. but i remmebrred abt her n not abt u (sorry abt my memory). n i ditn find her reasoning as correect so i pointed her out. her reasoning of only that 80% thats y i pointed out.
m hapy for their responses, but m not averse to change ONLY IF IT IS POSSIBLE.
u keep Your viewpoint abt me, it doesnt matter, i KNow myself, and also know that i m true n clear at heart abt this initiative with no selfish motive or aim to spoil sp's name n i Now not prove that to u.
And btw, its sad that u cant understand what i intend, after 100 of my posts n now after such a post by u i dont intend to justify u becoz i know from within my heart that i m not pursuing this just for the sake of demeaning spjain (u wud never understand that). and i bet u can unever understand my reason.
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nidhi....

i am amongst the one who did not get a call till now....
but the simple jesture of spjain answering our queries....
has brought me back in its support.....
cummon....
its an insti and it has its ways.....

the list clearly shows what each candidate lacks......

ppl say that if you have been rejected due to low scores you have no chance in futeure.....
if you feel so you can save your money from next time onwards....
but remember its normalisation that is done....
so whether your score is good or not depends on others who have applied.....

i still agree that the selection procedure of spjain is very strange......
but i think they have given a lot of explaniations already....

and that too on just requesting
other institutes would not give such feedback even if you go legal way!!!!!!!!

you can go on in this path of getting answers.....
and you would get a lot of support
(probably mine also)
but plese do not get personal and plese let this 'fight' not become a "war"

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please refrain from chit chatting further.. this thread is leading nowhere.. except jst bickering ..
I know this has been gruelling for many ppl..but c'mon what value has been added to this thread is u c last few pages..merely ppl r quoting the same thing again and again..so isn't it jst spamming..moreover its the same ppl making it chit chat..please use PM for the same.

dont make it mud slinging place.. please respect the forum .. we are here to help and get help.. not to throw mud . as future MBA aspirants at least we need to have this much maturity.

Please follow the lead of nidhi .as she herself has taken initiative and trying to make move instead of jst posting msgs here.. over n over again. it wont prove anything here.. the agony will still b there and ppl with calls wont bother..
so please chill and fight out the way it shd be.. and please please respect PG which has given so much ..

thanks and ATB

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hi all.. the second shortlits is out bt the link that has been provided doesnt seem to be working for me.. can any1 plz help!

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skedia Says
hi all.. the second shortlits is out bt the link that has been provided doesnt seem to be working for me.. can any1 plz help!

dude plz dnt spread such rumours ....plz....hav a neat look its given n da site dat its gonna b out on 16h feb
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guys this happens to be a post of the last year so u wont find ne info abt 2nd list

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skedia Says
hi all.. the second shortlits is out bt the link that has been provided doesnt seem to be working for me.. can any1 plz help!



Sorry to say, but how bad was that yar.
You took my breath away, because I had just checked mails before I saw you post. So thought " I am out !!

Anyway a pleasant surprise for me, that the mystery continues....


Sorry for this post guys,
Enjoy
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instead of fighting...will someone care to verify the authencity of the link posted here !!!....i do not see any link on spjain site saying that 2nd list is out.....it still says that the date is 16th feb for 2nd list ....please confirm...

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rush2puneet Says
instead of fighting...will someone care to verify the authencity of the link posted here !!!....i do not see any link on spjain site saying that 2nd list is out.....it still says that the date is 16th feb for 2nd list ....please confirm...


This is last year's thread. Check the dates!! They are of feb 2008. The second list is yet to come.
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geminishivani Says
This is last year's thread. Check the dates!! They are of feb 2008. The second list is yet to come.


Confirmed dear, its going to be out on 16th.


Enjoy