Hi nidhi!
I really appreciate the efforts and pains u have taken. count me in for any of your further endeavours to bring about any change if possible.
According to me sp jain is a well reputed institue no doubt. But as u said it does have some responsibility to answer certain questions when u r paying a big Rs 1000 to just apply to it..and when your career is at stake..
I would like to thank u for forwarding that list and yes i did receive their reply mail..
It says i didnt clear their university cut off...
Thats great man!!!!! Preety good reason that their computerized system must have shown.
I got a first class in graduation which might be low according to them but what they didnt consider at all was that i completed the CFA course along with my graduation and managed to get an all india highest score in one of the subjects.. Am i expected to do brilliantly well in both the things?????
I was one of the youngest persons to complete the course.. an believe me its tough..
Am not praising myself but yes i proudly consider that a big achievement..
CAN S P JAIN GET A BIT SUBJECTIVE IN EVALUATING THE STUDENTS ???
And with such a selection criteria even if i manage to get a 100 perc...i will still not be selected because i dont have the required percentage demanded by them for my graduation.
So in a way its good.. thanks to sp jain... for saving my 1000 rupees...next time i wont apply.
seems many have alrdy poured their frustration on this thread.
wat i ud grasp from previous posts is one liners reply to all(computerised) to all.
the reply that we dont meet university cut-offs is really fk** and ridiculous. in some univ. 80% is nothin and in some its difficult to score 60 even. there is no uniformity in india.
so we missed coz of the place where we studied. i want to know whetherthey consider every univ. system to be same or not.
SPJAIN GIMME MY 1000 BUCKS BACK
:bomb::bomb::bad-word::bad-word::bad-word::snipersm::snipersm::2gunfire::2gunfire:
Hi puys,
I have been shortlisted in the second shortlist. Coudn't find the thread for interview experience of SP JAIN. would be grateful if somebody could give me the link.
Hi puys,
I have been shortlisted in the second shortlist. Coudn't find the thread for interview experience of SP JAIN. would be grateful if somebody could give me the link.
Its sad that all the genuine thread has been spammed to an extent that genuine experiences has been lost out..
anyways one of the thread
http://www.pagalguy.com/discussions/sp-jain-gi-group-interview-experiences-2008-25027933
seshadri13 Saysi too second ur opinion wrt acads esp the school level need not be considered, but then thats completely institute's discretion..i dont intend to compare, but when IIMB says it will giv xx weightage to 10th,12th and grad (thats a HUGE weightage), do we ever groan at them?.
Aha.. Therein lies the catch and genuineness... IIMB says WEIGHTAGE.. what it means is ppl can make up bad acads with other criteria (in 10th, 12th or workex..) But SPJ has CUTOFFS.. which in my opinion is plain outrageous, if not DUMB...
See they want to choose the best.. here they wanna eliminate... plain sad... and no, with all due respect to PRASSANNA and other SPJ supporters, here is what i got to say.. SPJ may produce good MBA's.. i agree.. BUT, they have NOT taken in the best ppl... with such subjective criteria, i assume u too would agree... not that i am takin away even a tiny bit of their acheivement in gettin in.. but yeah, fact is a fact.. with such a crazy selection process, its sheer quality of applicants thats helping them...
sandeepr Says. but yeah, fact is a fact.. with such a crazy selection process, its sheer quality of applicants thats helping them...
so it is for any b school on this planet.....d reason good people apply to a cllg is wat differentiated d cllg
hey ppl
i think they had mentioned about normalisation of marks regarding university and boards
so i would give them due credit for it...
i could see ppl wd 80% not getting a call and ppl wd 78% getting one
moreover not many colleges give you a reason for ur rejection
also with so many applicants they need to set so filters
in the excel sheet i could see people with 48%tile in one of the sections of cat/xat asking for explaination when even in colleges like IMI asking for min of 50%tile
also there were ppl with 69% in boards/grads asking for explntn
today in such a competitive world we are truely aware what are good marks and what are not
i think they want everything fine with the candidate they call so they have cut off and not overall score of all factors
i think it is the institute's discretion, i found the reasons given quite convincing though my name was not in that list
may be sp jain would have realised it has lost on gud talent and that is why came up with 3rd list, it is not on popular demand
in case anybodyz name did not still appear we shd still give credit to the institute for revising its policies
groans invited 😃
hey ppl
i think they had mentioned about normalisation of marks regarding university and boards
so i would give them due credit for it...
i could see ppl wd 80% not getting a call and ppl wd 78% getting one
moreover not many colleges give you a reason for ur rejection
also with so many applicants they need to set so filters
in the excel sheet i could see people with 48%tile in one of the sections of cat/xat asking for explaination when even in colleges like IMI asking for min of 50%tile
also there were ppl with 69% in boards/grads asking for explntn
today in such a competitive world we are truely aware what are good marks and what are not
i think they want everything fine with the candidate they call so they have cut off and not overall score of all factors
i think it is the institute's discretion, i found the reasons given quite convincing though my name was not in that list
may be sp jain would have realised it has lost on gud talent and that is why came up with 3rd list, it is not on popular demand
in case anybodyz name did not still appear we shd still give credit to the institute for revising its policies
groans invited :)
i mostly agree with what you have said ...
but hey look once again at the part in bold.......
69% is some university may be the topper there.....
there are many universities where egtting a first class is like 90+ for general public.....
and in some particular case it might be a god like score......
as you have already pointed out SPJAIN has told a person with 80% marks that he does not clear the univ cut off.....
come on we all know that what ever we talk about 80+ is always considered great score!!!!!!!!!!!
i mostly agree with what you have said ...
but hey look once again at the part in bold.......
69% is some university may be the topper there.....
there are many universities where egtting a first class is like 90+ for general public.....
and in some particular case it might be a god like score......
as you have already pointed out SPJAIN has told a person with 80% marks that he does not clear the univ cut off.....
come on we all know that what ever we talk about 80+ is always considered great score!!!!!!!!!!!
Well as per my interaction with people from different university right from north to south to west, there are many univ where 80% is not a difficult task to get and if you consider the famous bell curve, they are right at top in terms of frequency which makes the cut off for that college higher
And as far as lower marks are considered, the person concerned might himself know where he stands and there were no groans for that reason from them!!
Moreover there are people from varied university in the college and thats how they normalise the marks, also the person with 69% would not be the only person applying from that university, surely with a good college like sp jain the topper must have applied too
that is how normalisation is done!!
both current and past data are taken into consideration!!
in that case IIM-B is worse, they do not normalise marks!!
i hope that solves your confusion!!
vasudhaverma SaysWell as per my interaction with people from different university right from north to south to west, there are many univ where 80% is not a difficult task
are u sure about what u said ? kindly confirm whatever u say... it IS still very tough to get 80% marks in many colleges in India... maybe not in yours...
Well as per my interaction with people from different university right from north to south to west, there are many univ where 80% is not a difficult task to get and if you consider the famous bell curve, they are right at top in terms of frequency which makes the cut off for that college higher
And as far as lower marks are considered, the person concerned might himself know where he stands and there were no groans for that reason from them!!
Moreover there are people from varied university in the college and thats how they normalise the marks, also the person with 69% would not be the only person applying from that university, surely with a good college like sp jain the topper must have applied too
that is how normalisation is done!!
both current and past data are taken into consideration!!
in that case IIM-B is worse, they do not normalise marks!!
i hope that solves your confusion!!
Hi Vasudha
m pretty confused abt ur attitude or maybe the change of it.
after the result ur attitude is this.
Before the surprisingly 3rd list was out ur attitude was like in below 2 posts:
___________________________________________________
POST 1
19-02-2008, 09:41 AM
Posted By vasudhaverma
Re: SP JAIn second shortlist out
Checked up the results and the profile people are posting
Some of them themselves admit they were pure lucky
So you mean to say SPJIMR is giving calls to students who themselves do not know there worth "clap clap"
Must say a far sighted college!!
As far as acads are concerned I was never 2nd in my school from Class IV to X
My school was DPS mathura road which had about 9 sections each filled with about 50 students!!
My college acads were pretty decent with DR Rank 10 Computer Science
I am from NSIT, Hope it comes under Premier Institutes by many standards
I am working with ST Microelectronics as Senior Software Developer which
is perhaps amongs Top 5 chip makers only after Intel
Work ex 20 months!!
I heard questions about family background!!
My Dad is from IIT-D (Enterpreneur) and my mother is PhD in Inorganic Chemistry teaching in Venky (DU)
That leaves quite a many questions unanswered!! Right!!
I have XLRI call and I am damn confy of converting it!!
I do not mind losing on SP JAIN, but I would love to receive a feedback on it? There must be a merit list prepared considering various parameters, I would like to know my rank on the merit list and final merit rank till which calls were given!!
Thanks!!
POST 2
Re: SP JAIn second shortlist out - 18-02-2008, 09:57 PM
Posted By vasudhaverma
Well then how do you justify the inclusion of a fresher with both the scores less then a working person like me
With his acads lesser, and extra curriculars the same
School and college being more or less the same
Moreover if they give profile based calls there is a way of putting it say in the form of marks as SCMHRD has done in its final merit lists
Lots of people who thought they had a decent GD,PI could not make it may be coz of acads,work ex and other parts of profile
they had marks and it was automated
not like a lottery system
we are not against profile based calls but surely against lack of transparency and so much of subjectivity
I hope i got my point through!!
_____________________________________________________
YES Vasudha
Now can u just tell me is this change of heart becoz u got a call, or maybe becoz of the very high percentages u have got throughout, u feel u were the only deserving one?? the change of attitude has confused me. becoz u feel u deserved this call, and which u said in few of your last posts too, far back in jan or feb, does this mean that nw that u got a call, none of the deserving ones are left out??
We r not here to praise a insti just becoz we r a part of it and ofcourse degrade it if we r not part of it. its better that we dont take out conclusions or say, no Spjimr is doing everything perfectly, n thats becoz, we are shouting at the top of our voices for just a note f Transparency from them (Which if u see, u too demanded in ur above post) we r not after their lives just becoz we get some fun out of it or maybe becoz we feel only we were deserving and no one else. so it wud be better u clarify ur stand, against the figures u quoted and the a set mindset u wish to take becoz the change in attitude surprises me. there must b many good ones deserving this seat n thats y they r shattered, we r not asking for this seat knowing we r menial or low or Failures. Most of them have been toppers liek u.
And infact none of us now even wants the seat, we just want A Bit of Transparency and i just hope u get what we wish to pursue and stop convincing us abt Everything being ok (becoz its been ok with u) becoz we dont WANT THE SEAT, WE WANT TRANSPARENCY N U CANT GIVE US THAT BECOZ U R A CANDIDATE AND NOT IN THEIR ADMIN.
@All
Just a suggestion..
Please identify the purpose of this thread and where it's heading. There's no point in engaging in abuses against the institute (because posts on PG surely won't go a long way in harming any institute's reputation) and amongst yourselves. You guys had grievances and we tried to answer them. If you're still not satisfied, take whatever formal / official approach seems best to you. But at least try to put your efforts into a fruitful direction rather than beating this topic to death on an already over-burdened thread.
It took the courage of a 22 year old, visually challenged Vaishnavi to get information out of IIM Bangalore using an RTI. It didn't happen with a bunch of ridiculing posts on PG. I doubt if an RTI could help in SPJIMR's case, but if you guys want a radical change in the system/ greater transparency, then you better have concentrated and directed efforts.
Cheers...
Just a suggestion..
Please identify the purpose of this thread and where it's heading. There's no point in engaging in abuses against the institute (because posts on PG surely won't go a long way in harming any institute's reputation) and amongst yourselves. You guys had grievances and we tried to answer them. If you're still not satisfied, take whatever formal / official approach seems best to you. But at least try to put your efforts into a fruitful direction rather than beating this topic to death on an already over-burdened thread.
It took the courage of a 22 year old, visually challenged Vaishnavi to get information out of IIM Bangalore using an RTI. It didn't happen with a bunch of ridiculing posts on PG. I doubt if an RTI could help in SPJIMR's case, but if you guys want a radical change in the system/ greater transparency, then you better have concentrated and directed efforts.
Cheers...
@All
Just a suggestion..
Please identify the purpose of this thread and where it's heading. There's no point in engaging in abuses against the institute (because posts on PG surely won't go a long way in harming any institute's reputation) and amongst yourselves. You guys had grievances and we tried to answer them. If you're still not satisfied, take whatever formal / official approach seems best to you. But at least try to put your efforts into a fruitful direction rather than beating this topic to death on an already over-burdened thread.
It took the courage of a 22 year old, visually challenged Vaishnavi to get information out of IIM Bangalore using an RTI. It didn't happen with a bunch of ridiculing posts on PG. I doubt if an RTI could help in SPJIMR's case, but if you guys want a radical change in the system/ greater transparency, then you better have concentrated and directed efforts.
Cheers...
True.. Very true.. And that's where things are seemingly heading i guess. An embarrassing court battle.. But should we be forced to that? Does a school of SPJ's stature want something like that? I dont know..
A little bit of empathy shown on the part of the admin by making their process transparent is not a huge task i believe.. never mind.. I have been to the school.. know a lot of ppl there.. and i would have dearly loved to be part of the school.. but alas, that wont be the case anymore..
And frankly, when i went for the SPJCM interview, i told them one simple thing... That I'am more than what these pieces of paper (certificates) say that I am... And after my interview, i was asked whether I had applied for SPJIMR and i said yes, but i wasn't called.. And that ONE look in their faces said it all.. SPJIMR was WRONG..
And yeah, I am satisfied... 8-)
But finally, if it takes a PIL to bring transparency, so be it.. and a PIL you shall have.. soon.. But i sincerely hope that the college sees sense in not stretching things too far...
"Beware the ides of MARCH"... :wink:
P.S: And yeah, this will be my last post on the topic. Im sick and tired of these useless discussions taking us nowhere.. Its time we did something really concrete.. for the sake of the nxt yr applicants atleast.. ppl just PM me and lets discuss these stuff in private and work out a solution..
@All those getting into SPJIMR this year..
Congrats and hope you all do extremely well... !! And as a privileged lot getting into one of India's top b school, you have in front of you a request.. no.. make it a responsibility... You ppl are on the other side of the system, yes, but dont forget you were once on this side too.. Do your bit to make life easier for ur juniors.. Speak to ur adcom.. urge them, prod them, pester them.. but somehow make them realise their folly... Help make a better SPJIMR tomorrow.. Help make a better tomorrow for a lot of hardworking youngsters.. Thanks..
If it has to be an RTI than so be it.. or even a court case... something drastic definitely needs to be done... the whole selection process has made a mockery of values like transparency and accountability what with 3 lists, names being repeated in lists etc.etc....
in that case IIM-B is worse, they do not normalise marks!!
i hope that solves your confusion!!
Please do not involve an institute of a stature like IIM-B in this... and worse compare with SPJIMR!!!! And please double check your facts before you post anything...
Following extract from IIM B Admission Process..
"2) For all candidates in the first shortlist as stated in (1), the candidates' percentage scores
in the 10th and 12th board exams will be initially adjusted by dividing each such score by
the 90th percentile score obtained in that board. The database of 10th and 12th scores of
all CAT applicants of the past two years will be used for identifying the 90th percentile
score for each 10th and 12th board for this purpose.
3) For all candidates in the first shortlist as stated in (1), final scores obtained by the
candidate will be used for the bachelors degree and professional degrees (if any).
Incomplete or intermediate scores will be considered only if the candidate's final score is
pending. Thus, for final year bachelor's degree candidates, their incomplete graduation
score would be taken in lieu of final graduation score. Graduation scores will be
standardized within their respective categories. This gives the standardized score for the
bachelor's degree for all candidates in the first shortlist."
Link to the file: http://www.iimb.ernet.in/iimb/docs/PGPSelection2008.pdf
Hi Vasudha
m pretty confused abt ur attitude or maybe the change of it.
after the result ur attitude is this.
Before the surprisingly 3rd list was out ur attitude was like in below 2 posts:
___________________________________________________
POST 1
19-02-2008, 09:41 AM
Posted By vasudhaverma
Re: SP JAIn second shortlist out
Checked up the results and the profile people are posting
Some of them themselves admit they were pure lucky
So you mean to say SPJIMR is giving calls to students who themselves do not know there worth "clap clap"
Must say a far sighted college!!
As far as acads are concerned I was never 2nd in my school from Class IV to X
My school was DPS mathura road which had about 9 sections each filled with about 50 students!!
My college acads were pretty decent with DR Rank 10 Computer Science
I am from NSIT, Hope it comes under Premier Institutes by many standards
I am working with ST Microelectronics as Senior Software Developer which
is perhaps amongs Top 5 chip makers only after Intel
Work ex 20 months!!
I heard questions about family background!!
My Dad is from IIT-D (Enterpreneur) and my mother is PhD in Inorganic Chemistry teaching in Venky (DU)
That leaves quite a many questions unanswered!! Right!!
I have XLRI call and I am damn confy of converting it!!
I do not mind losing on SP JAIN, but I would love to receive a feedback on it? There must be a merit list prepared considering various parameters, I would like to know my rank on the merit list and final merit rank till which calls were given!!
Thanks!!
POST 2
Re: SP JAIn second shortlist out - 18-02-2008, 09:57 PM
Posted By vasudhaverma
Well then how do you justify the inclusion of a fresher with both the scores less then a working person like me
With his acads lesser, and extra curriculars the same
School and college being more or less the same
Moreover if they give profile based calls there is a way of putting it say in the form of marks as SCMHRD has done in its final merit lists
Lots of people who thought they had a decent GD,PI could not make it may be coz of acads,work ex and other parts of profile
they had marks and it was automated
not like a lottery system
we are not against profile based calls but surely against lack of transparency and so much of subjectivity
I hope i got my point through!!
_____________________________________________________
YES Vasudha
Now can u just tell me is this change of heart becoz u got a call, or maybe becoz of the very high percentages u have got throughout, u feel u were the only deserving one?? the change of attitude has confused me. becoz u feel u deserved this call, and which u said in few of your last posts too, far back in jan or feb, does this mean that nw that u got a call, none of the deserving ones are left out??
We r not here to praise a insti just becoz we r a part of it and ofcourse degrade it if we r not part of it. its better that we dont take out conclusions or say, no Spjimr is doing everything perfectly, n thats becoz, we are shouting at the top of our voices for just a note f Transparency from them (Which if u see, u too demanded in ur above post) we r not after their lives just becoz we get some fun out of it or maybe becoz we feel only we were deserving and no one else. so it wud be better u clarify ur stand, against the figures u quoted and the a set mindset u wish to take becoz the change in attitude surprises me. there must b many good ones deserving this seat n thats y they r shattered, we r not asking for this seat knowing we r menial or low or Failures. Most of them have been toppers liek u.
And infact none of us now even wants the seat, we just want A Bit of Transparency and i just hope u get what we wish to pursue and stop convincing us abt Everything being ok (becoz its been ok with u) becoz we dont WANT THE SEAT, WE WANT TRANSPARENCY N U CANT GIVE US THAT BECOZ U R A CANDIDATE AND NOT IN THEIR ADMIN.
Well I did not want this to be one on one
but since u stated it, yes change of heart for the institute because i was impressed by there normalization theory!!
not many colleges do this, do they?
correct me if my wrong!!
in case you feel there is something wrong with there calculation you can come with your data regarding the results/marks given in your university
as far as the call was concerned i never even sent my name in the list for clarifications!! i had asked for the parameters and my query was answered when they gave there views on excel sheet posted
in case you also want transparency regarding the normalisation procedure you can compare the profile of people from your college/univ who got the call!!
Please do not involve an institute of a stature like IIM-B in this... and worse compare with SPJIMR!!!! And please double check your facts before you post anything...
Following extract from IIM B Admission Process..
"2) For all candidates in the first shortlist as stated in (1), the candidates percentage scores
in the 10th and 12th board exams will be initially adjusted by dividing each such score by
the 90th percentile score obtained in that board. The database of 10th and 12th scores of
all CAT applicants of the past two years will be used for identifying the 90th percentile
score for each 10th and 12th board for this purpose.
3) For all candidates in the first shortlist as stated in (1), final scores obtained by the
candidate will be used for the bachelors degree and professional degrees (if any).
Incomplete or intermediate scores will be considered only if the candidates final score is
pending. Thus, for final year bachelors degree candidates, their incomplete graduation
score would be taken in lieu of final graduation score. Graduation scores will be standardized within their respective categories. This gives the standardized score for the
bachelors degree for all candidates in the first shortlist."
Link to the file: http://www.iimb.ernet.in/iimb/docs/PGPSelection2008.pdf
within respective categories they never meant within universities also?
i think by categories they meant something else?
munna man Saysare u sure about what u said ? kindly confirm whatever u say... it IS still very tough to get 80% marks in many colleges in India... maybe not in yours...
i thnk vasudhaverma is rite.....80% is now a moderate score(not even a good one) in many univ. ..this is specially true for univ. that have gone fot CGPA for marks(read all the NIT's)...lik in NIT Alld, more than 10% of batch gets 90%+ and it's atleast 30-35% perople getting 80%+...actually it's even ,ore than that..........
80% is a good score and not an excellent one
@NIDHI
i am beaten for reason wen i see that u have now started getting one on one
...quoting someon's post(vasudhaverma) bfore and aftr the results is the height of immature behaviour...it goes to show how much efforts u r putting in to generate arguments to demean SPJ,just hope these efforts wud be saved for a prudent and genuine endeavour
i was shortlisted in the second list only(first list of CAT's scores)...but if u see my initial few posts ,u will realise that how much SPJ went down in mu eyes .i questioned the cllg even though I got a call but even I have changed my attitude now seeing that SPJ has done so tremendously well in giving us feedbacks wen it is not obliged to give any explanation to anybody ..why didn't u quote my posts because u cudn't have got any reason for change in my behaviour(since i was already shortlisted and still chose to voice my opinion against smthing which i thot was wrong)
..isn't it.......u picked up smebody's post so that u can accuse the person of changing mindsets on getting a call..this is just not done....please remember that accusing anybody else only goes to show how u regret not getting selected and all this transparency etc etc etc is just a farce(sry if it hurts u but i am forced to do write this, u hav crosses all limits)
@PRASANNA,ABHINAV and SENIORS
I just hope that u don't get disheartened and dissapointed because u are getting even more flak on that wonderful initiative of urs(providing feedbacks)...let me assure u here that these few people who are hell bent on finding faults are very few in number and the majority of junta appreciates and applauds ur gesture,just that it doesn't choose to write it here..cheers
i am beaten for reason wen i see that u have now started getting one on one
...quoting someon's post(vasudhaverma) bfore and aftr the results is the height of immature behaviour...it goes to show how much efforts u r putting in to generate arguments to demean SPJ,just hope these efforts wud be saved for a prudent and genuine endeavour
i was shortlisted in the second list only(first list of CAT's scores)...but if u see my initial few posts ,u will realise that how much SPJ went down in mu eyes .i questioned the cllg even though I got a call but even I have changed my attitude now seeing that SPJ has done so tremendously well in giving us feedbacks wen it is not obliged to give any explanation to anybody ..why didn't u quote my posts because u cudn't have got any reason for change in my behaviour(since i was already shortlisted and still chose to voice my opinion against smthing which i thot was wrong)
..isn't it.......u picked up smebody's post so that u can accuse the person of changing mindsets on getting a call..this is just not done....please remember that accusing anybody else only goes to show how u regret not getting selected and all this transparency etc etc etc is just a farce(sry if it hurts u but i am forced to do write this, u hav crosses all limits)
@PRASANNA,ABHINAV and SENIORS
I just hope that u don't get disheartened and dissapointed because u are getting even more flak on that wonderful initiative of urs(providing feedbacks)...let me assure u here that these few people who are hell bent on finding faults are very few in number and the majority of junta appreciates and applauds ur gesture,just that it doesn't choose to write it here..cheers
Well I did not want this to be one on one
but since u stated it, yes change of heart for the institute because i was impressed by there normalization theory!!
not many colleges do this, do they?
correct me if my wrong!!
in case you feel there is something wrong with there calculation you can come with your data regarding the results/marks given in your university
as far as the call was concerned i never even sent my name in the list for clarifications!! i had asked for the parameters and my query was answered when they gave there views on excel sheet posted
in case you also want transparency regarding the normalisation procedure you can compare the profile of people from your college/univ who got the call!!
Dear Vasudha
i have no intention to hurt u or go one on one with you. but see na, its u who feels justice has been done. how do u justify others stand. u knw only abt urself. so its ok for u to get a call. we r happy abt it.
dont take a wrong meaning of my mesaage. i never blamed SPjain fr calling ppl from the list we sent. i just said, that the reasons they give r from the past profile, which we cannot change then y to keep such ppl waiting??
i m not imposing also that Spjain ko change hona hi padega varna we would do something. m just asking for it to listen n see if it is possible to do that.
the only thing i fail to understand is that u, prasanna, abhinav_kishore, funwithmanshu.. what is the problem. if someone is starting some thing, and its regarding ur college, or a college u find as the best or any reasons, is there some problem in talking?? in discussing, in feedback??
so many groans, such HI-FI attitude showing we dont listen, we ignore, man no one wants u to listen.. we r not concerned with you. We want institute to change, not you ppl.. and only if it can jus try to change.
i think we r doing positive, and dont even intend to harm spjain, only intention some talks..a little CHANGE.. its instis problem.. we dont expect things to change so fast, but say they change after 1 yr, 2 yr, 3 yrs and this change is advantageos for institute or applicants, WATS THE PROBLEM at ur end? why r u ppl taking it personally?? y r u trying to justify??
U feel that something went totally rgt with you, becoz it had to, u were meanty to be selected. u deserveed it. BUT u dont knw the profiles of many other ppl (and i m not talking abt myself), so how can u say that they r dissatisfied without any reason? try to be in the shoes of other person.
No one is perfect. Maybe we r wrong, but isnt it possible that some mistake mgt have happened from SPJAINs side too? is it perfect?? so y r u trying to justify it as a student, y not listen as a human?
and vasu (i hope u dont mind me calling u that) i dint get wat normalisation theory u r talking abt. its u whom that suited becoz u got call. u cud have been one who dint get call n i bet u wud b blaming spjain then ,even if that normaolisation theory wud have been out.
like u many cases who were toppers and do deserve n yes they can miss the call too, m not blaming spjain. but maybe we ALL can STRIVE TO MOVE TOWARDS PERFECTION than be adamant enuf not to move a bit..
I JUST HOPE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEANT TO SAY....