Devil you got to understand that its not an institute bashing. There has to be some difference between Canvassing among future prospects and Misinforming and misleading them.
Many of the top B-Schools have produced such enterpreneurs in past when the placement is not complet:huh: and no body has ever heard of these enterpreneurs after that. Tell me why the hell will a freshar leave an average of 8.3 LPA job and a good hands on business experience and opt out for starting his own business which is indeed a risky proposition. Now it seems to me that 100% figure itself is dubitable.
i agree on what u have written and take my words back
Time and again i have reiterated placements are fantastic at MDI but this fight of one-upmanship by accusing another insti which is not even in the picture, has to be stopped
Just heard from a friend at MDI. See, the thing is that Shortlisting, GD etc come in as Pre Placement Process and not Placement Process as per them Therefore thay are technically right in saying that the placement got over in 4hrs u see.
Hmm ... what can one say to that?
dont get me wrong, i dont mean to do any insti bashing but when the shit hits the roof.....
there are lies then there are blantant lies then there are lies of the MDI kind.I mean guys whats with u ppl. star tv has recuited for 4lacs and ur saying lowest salary 6.
when it comes to fudging surely mdi has taken the cake and the bakery as well.
more than 50% of the batch has in fact got sals below 6 lacs.
. Maybe we can shift all this "mudslinging" to another thread, we do have lots of threads on the same lines rite??
it seems to hav become a classic example of gross digrssion from the topic..the title of the thread very clearly mentions the thread as "MDI placements 2005" but is this wat we r discussing..lot of ppl hav pointed out of lot of mudslinging (again nd again has this word propped up in the posts) goin on the thread..people r more concerned that how the hell did they manage placements in four (or six nd half as per the official report) hours..nd ppl r more concerned that why didnt the report come on time nd blah blah..suddenly lot of new PGs hav come up, doin all this stuff..
but why has everyone made a mess of this thread where we shud've had congratulated the MDI folks nd been party to their success..why is that suddenly it has been MDI only which everyone has chosen to make it a target for spilling venom (as someone again pointed out)..well in this case, i hav several points that i will like to put up..
- firstly, the concern people r raising here is not meant jus to demean someone else or his/her institution..i believe it is not at all worng to questions someone bout his/her institution's placement policy, that too coz it has become a parameter which is follwed by several of the fresh graduates before taking admissions to the esteemed institutions..
- secondly, the forum has also been a platform where all of us b-skoolers come nd tell bout our esteemed skools to the curious admission aspirants..these aspirants r not only full of hope, but their entier career rests upon such decisions..even a small activity to mislead, needs to be dealt very strictly..allowing any such activity is the biggest crime that anyone of us can do..what if one of the highest professional course produces ppl who r grossly involved in such activities..is this wat we'll do once we get out of the b-skools..
-thirdly, any such claim that people r bringing out their personal vengeance out here is grossly incorrect..most of the queries set out by people seem to be pretty correct and the case becomes more solid when u see no reply from the people from MDI..
- fourthly, so far not even a single query has been clarified by the MDI people..what shud we understand from this..this obviously sends signals of some blatant lies being produced..u can very well see the queries rising exponetially, coz not even one gets answered..
friends, it has been again and again happened that a large number of people r being higly affected by these kinds of placements reports..i personally know atleast half a dozen cases who hav been misled by such reports, and acted accordingly..my dear friends from MDI, if these stats given by u r correct, then i will like to really congratulate u nd apologise for raising such doubts, but it is too much to be believed as true..nd believe me, if u r lying jus to take ur institute's name ahead of others, then u r the least garde MBA counterparts i hav ever seen..
the ppl hav been shouting again nd again nd asking u to clarify u few things..so plz do them asap, before we assume ur silence to be ur crime..i will jus state some of the queries that hav been raised so far..nd yes, for all the facts given by u, we'll hav the fellow b-skoolers from IIM A,C,I & K, XLRI etc to testify them..
- how is to possible to call & manage 60+ companies in six nd half hours..dont tell that procedures of companies starts much earlier coz in that case, the placement process has been started, nd ur claim is untrue..
- why hav ur institute been giving wrong names in the press release of the companies visiting ur campus, for example HSBC nd HSBC AMC is totally different..wherein HSBC has not visited any campus in india, ppl r interpreting that they went to MDI which isnt true..such a thing cannot be a mistake, nd looks more like it is intentional..
- the most important of them all..how can the average salary of MDI be 8.3 nd the lowest be 6 as per the placement report..i m ready to giv u atleast 20 (or maybe 30 or maybe more) companies from ur company list who pay less than 6 lakhs, but can u giv us atleast 5 or for that matter 10 companies from the entire 60+ companies who pay more than 8.3 lakhs..as by the law of averages, of the 60+ companies, atleast 25-30 companies shud hav offered such high packages..even if u claim of not gettin ne Differentials frm IIMs/XLRI (which is not the case ofcourse), the companies u hav got can NEVER offer such high packages..
now, there have been several of u like curtz_imi, rohitk, devilbemyguide nd few more who always suggest on the forum, not to bug the MDI guys, nd let them celebrate..let me make it clear that even we r happy for our counterparts, but such unethical activites r not allowable..by placing such demands, u r givin chance to MDI nd several other skools in future to get away after manipulation on some silly xcuses like celebration..i tell u folks, a clear concise ending to this thread will set xamples for all the b-skools nd before even thinking of some manipulation, they'll think twice..
nd please mind it, it is a very SERIOUS issue, nd look to the seriousness of the matter..leave all those mud-slingin posts nd the venom-spitting (if it has been so far), but these quesions need to be answered..hiding away from these questions demeans MDI more nd more among the fellow b-skools nd budding aspirants..moreover this is one of the threads where any CAT call getter wud come on to chk for placements at MDI, nd if we leave these unanswered, there cud be gross misinterpretation..
so plz, MDI folks, the 2nd yrs also this time, do take out some time from ur partys nd xplain these facts to the forum..
anticipating a reply soon..
cheers..
anudeep.
P.S.
- plz no more digression from the topic, nd plz do not giv such excuses like let them party..these kind of statements clearly show unavailabiliy of facts to support ur argument..nd u ppl r in no way doin buy supportin it..
- mods, plz hav n initiative nd a common platform to hav the placement stats of all b-skools..
Anudeep
What u said in the last post was exactly what I wanted to say.
But writing such long mail put me off ( a bit busy in office )
Congrats & thanx for ur last mail.
KingCat
this is my first post to PG, but i don't think that should stop me (or anyone for that matter) from expressing their views..
i agree to wat foki is saying..a lot of doubts have been raised, specifically on how the average salary could be 8.3 lakhs (and the lowest 6)..it'd be great if mandevians or others with some info on the matter could tell us the names of some companies who offered more than the average figure quoted by MDI and the offers made by them..
if we don't get any figures/clarifications, the "truth" would become all too obvious..
Hey how many 1st time posts on this thread ! And how confident in their posts!
Guys with motives, U jus give the game away by this.
Plz plan something believable for institute bashing.
I am impressed by the amount of interest taken to put down MDI...i wasnt that charitable earlier! IF u wud want to pull down sth, it obviously is at a place of elevation!
Cheers!
there r two ways in which u can look at "new posts" of people questioning wat's been claimed..
1.) as my dear friend has pointed out, one could be to bash MDI (which can "hence be concluded" to have reached a position so high others will want to pull it down).
2.) the other (and the right one in my case) is that statistics have been so shamelessly misrepresented and blown up that dormant people like me have had to take notice and post replies.
it seems to hav become a classic example of gross digrssion from the topic..the title of the thread very clearly mentions the thread as "MDI placements 2005" but is this wat we r discussing..lot of ppl hav pointed out of lot of mudslinging (again nd again has this word propped up in the posts) goin on the thread..people r more concerned that how the hell did they manage placements in four (or six nd half as per the official report) hours..nd ppl r more concerned that why didnt the report come on time nd blah blah..suddenly lot of new PGs hav come up, doin all this stuff..
but why has everyone made a mess of this thread where we shud've had congratulated the MDI folks nd been party to their success..why is that suddenly it has been MDI only which everyone has chosen to make it a target for spilling venom (as someone again pointed out)..well in this case, i hav several points that i will like to put up..
- firstly, the concern people r raising here is not meant jus to demean someone else or his/her institution..i believe it is not at all worng to questions someone bout his/her institution's placement policy, that too coz it has become a parameter which is follwed by several of the fresh graduates before taking admissions to the esteemed institutions..
- secondly, the forum has also been a platform where all of us b-skoolers come nd tell bout our esteemed skools to the curious admission aspirants..these aspirants r not only full of hope, but their entier career rests upon such decisions..even a small activity to mislead, needs to be dealt very strictly..allowing any such activity is the biggest crime that anyone of us can do..what if one of the highest professional course produces ppl who r grossly involved in such activities..is this wat we'll do once we get out of the b-skools..
-thirdly, any such claim that people r bringing out their personal vengeance out here is grossly incorrect..most of the queries set out by people seem to be pretty correct and the case becomes more solid when u see no reply from the people from MDI..
- fourthly, so far not even a single query has been clarified by the MDI people..what shud we understand from this..this obviously sends signals of some blatant lies being produced..u can very well see the queries rising exponetially, coz not even one gets answered..
friends, it has been again and again happened that a large number of people r being higly affected by these kinds of placements reports..i personally know atleast half a dozen cases who hav been misled by such reports, and acted accordingly..my dear friends from MDI, if these stats given by u r correct, then i will like to really congratulate u nd apologise for raising such doubts, but it is too much to be believed as true..nd believe me, if u r lying jus to take ur institute's name ahead of others, then u r the least garde MBA counterparts i hav ever seen..
the ppl hav been shouting again nd again nd asking u to clarify u few things..so plz do them asap, before we assume ur silence to be ur crime..i will jus state some of the queries that hav been raised so far..nd yes, for all the facts given by u, we'll hav the fellow b-skoolers from IIM A,C,I & K, XLRI etc to testify them..
- how is to possible to call & manage 60+ companies in six nd half hours..dont tell that procedures of companies starts much earlier coz in that case, the placement process has been started, nd ur claim is untrue..
- why hav ur institute been giving wrong names in the press release of the companies visiting ur campus, for example HSBC nd HSBC AMC is totally different..wherein HSBC has not visited any campus in india, ppl r interpreting that they went to MDI which isnt true..such a thing cannot be a mistake, nd looks more like it is intentional..
- the most important of them all..how can the average salary of MDI be 8.3 nd the lowest be 6 as per the placement report..i m ready to giv u atleast 20 (or maybe 30 or maybe more) companies from ur company list who pay less than 6 lakhs, but can u giv us atleast 5 or for that matter 10 companies from the entire 60+ companies who pay more than 8.3 lakhs..as by the law of averages, of the 60+ companies, atleast 25-30 companies shud hav offered such high packages..even if u claim of not gettin ne Differentials frm IIMs/XLRI (which is not the case ofcourse), the companies u hav got can NEVER offer such high packages..
now, there have been several of u like curtz_imi, rohitk, devilbemyguide nd few more who always suggest on the forum, not to bug the MDI guys, nd let them celebrate..let me make it clear that even we r happy for our counterparts, but such unethical activites r not allowable..by placing such demands, u r givin chance to MDI nd several other skools in future to get away after manipulation on some silly xcuses like celebration..i tell u folks, a clear concise ending to this thread will set xamples for all the b-skools nd before even thinking of some manipulation, they'll think twice..
nd please mind it, it is a very SERIOUS issue, nd look to the seriousness of the matter..leave all those mud-slingin posts nd the venom-spitting (if it has been so far), but these quesions need to be answered..hiding away from these questions demeans MDI more nd more among the fellow b-skools nd budding aspirants..moreover this is one of the threads where any CAT call getter wud come on to chk for placements at MDI, nd if we leave these unanswered, there cud be gross misinterpretation..
so plz, MDI folks, the 2nd yrs also this time, do take out some time from ur partys nd xplain these facts to the forum..
anticipating a reply soon..
cheers..
anudeep.
P.S.
- plz no more digression from the topic, nd plz do not giv such excuses like let them party..these kind of statements clearly show unavailabiliy of facts to support ur argument..nd u ppl r in no way doin buy supportin it..
- mods, plz hav n initiative nd a common platform to hav the placement stats of all b-skools..
This thread is locked now.
if someones feeling the real urge to seek the TRUTHs they can go ahead and start a general (no insti specific) thread. we will open the thread if some MDI folks are ready to say something. Mind you it is not their obligation to post here. They are informing to everyone else and it is not necessary for them to act like investigative journalists. Instead you can do the job if you feel like doing it.
For once signing off as ,
The MOD
Unlocking this. I too want to see some answers from the folks at MDI. Interestingly, the MDI junta has not really replied to any of the queries posed. At first I felt there were some junta biased against MDI who were doing the posting - but the later posts have seen entries from IIM folks and others as well.
Its upto the MDI junta if they want to clarify the questions asked or not. Not coming up with the appropriate answer is harmful to their reputation, which I am sure they realize. At the end of the day, this IS an interesting discussion. I see someone from A saying it takes a month to place, someone from C saying even Slots exist for 2/3 days and here comes a post saying 4 hours is all it took.
Even I am looking at clarifications now 😃
I don't have much to say in this regards.......
I think its a well known fact about many instis fudging their data......
right....
We all kno this - that this happens........
Do u think, the guys from any institute which is giving data which seems incorrect....wud not love to come out and tell all of the truth......
Guys I personally kno some of the PGites from MDI.....
It would really be great if this thread is actually locked and this matter is put to some rest.......let these friends of ours in MDI have some peace to decide wat to do.......and guys believe me......there exams are going on abhi and u dont expect some one to come online during this period to post details........
I think there is something called PATIENCE.......
Many of the people here have just posted a lot too much.......
OK I agree my insti has been always the one to come with exact details and most accurate ones.....(our bad luck we dont put stats to the use they shud be)......and dats y we r so confident of giving all the data so openly.....
But, then consider what they might be going thru......if these guys at MDI search and find accurate details and put them up here......what they might be up for in their insti - has neone ever thot from this angle......I think only a b Schooler out on PG can empathize with these guys from MDI if he/she knows them.......
I kno now i am also in for getting bashing for supporting my fellow PGite frnds at MDI.....but then as I said......guys sitting outside a B School........u really will never know wat goes on inside......till u come in......
U r asking for exact placement process.........can u tell me any institute which has posted its exact placement process....how long it has taken in actual.....no one has........is the time in which students get placed that important for u........
There r some facts which u just need to ignore on a placement report - and time and salary are one of them..........
As i have since start stated......salary is secondary.......what matters is the co. and the profile.......
and trust me all these cos. comin to MDI wud be giving excellent profiles.....
And y such a shouting over HSBC......I might very well say......if campuses where HSBC bank went....if they r saying HSBC came.....they shud state it was bank......and trust me if u think AMC pays less than bank in HSBC......dude.....U HAVE NO CLUE WAT JOB IS DONE AT AMC and wat kinda money is there in AMC.......
I have not stated it - this package from HSBC AMC is simply vanilla ice cream.......JUST PLAIN OLD CASH - Those gren notes wich i think is y most of the posters here are all concerned about to get from a B School......(so sad - u guys think B School is all about money honey)
Well its just that they havent given their exact CTC........coz its not fixed.....
And in AMC......u make more than ur CTC......as incentives.....IT IS THE JOBS IN AMC's WICH MAKE U EARN LIKE CRAZY...maybe have enuf salary to be first among ur batchmates to own a BENZ (ah my dream)
And if u r concerned about exact time and procedure.......kindly ask all the B Schools to come out with how they have went out with their placements........I know wat has gone on in each and every B School, where placements have concluded.......
So just ignore this part......it will be gud on everyones part.........
About money.......I think our forum is not into ranking business.........so I hope if we can have a consensus den salary figures quoting can be done away with.....Do u guys think till date IIMs have been stating their actual salaries.....its simply that uve been blindly thinkin they have been.......they just cannot state actual...the rate at which fudging is going on.....
Just keep in mind that all the top B Schools will be having median salaries in the range of Rs. 5 to 6 lakhs this year around (for domestic) and international can vary.......
I hope this thread is now given some peace........the more hotter it will get....the more dificult it will be for MDI guys to put somethin here.......coz they know if even one post from them comes.......u guys r gonna jump on them like anything........
This is not the right way of conducting a discussion........u guys r aiming to be managers atleast show some patience and give time to other side.....to decide how to go about it........
thats all i hope peace will prevail now......
Gaurav
PGPM:2003-05
XIMB
P.S.: Its sad to see people are just aiming to do MBA for fat paychecks.....really sad.......its much more than that......when will u realize........
Unlocking this. I too want to see some answers from the folks at MDI. Interestingly, the MDI junta has not really replied to any of the queries posed. At first I felt there were some junta biased against MDI who were doing the posting - but the later posts have seen entries from IIM folks and others as well.
Its upto the MDI junta if they want to clarify the questions asked or not. Not coming up with the appropriate answer is harmful to their reputation, which I am sure they realize. At the end of the day, this IS an interesting discussion. I see someone from A saying it takes a month to place, someone from C saying even Slots exist for 2/3 days and here comes a post saying 4 hours is all it took.
Even I am looking at clarifications now :smile:
I don't have much to say in this regards.......
I think its a well known fact about many instis fudging their data......
right....
We all kno this - that this happens........
Do u think, the guys from any institute which is giving data which seems incorrect....wud not love to come out and tell all of the truth......
Guys I personally kno some of the PGites from MDI.....
It would really be great if this thread is actually locked and this matter is put to some rest.......let these friends of ours in MDI have some peace to decide wat to do.......and guys believe me......there exams are going on abhi and u dont expect some one to come online during this period to post details........
I think there is something called PATIENCE.......
Many of the people here have just posted a lot too much.......
OK I agree my insti has been always the one to come with exact details and most accurate ones.....(our bad luck we dont put stats to the use they shud be)......and dats y we r so confident of giving all the data so openly.....
But, then consider what they might be going thru......if these guys at MDI search and find accurate details and put them up here......what they might be up for in their insti - has neone ever thot from this angle......I think only a b Schooler out on PG can empathize with these guys from MDI if he/she knows them.......
I kno now i am also in for getting bashing for supporting my fellow PGite frnds at MDI.....but then as I said......guys sitting outside a B School........u really will never know wat goes on inside......till u come in......
U r asking for exact placement process.........can u tell me any institute which has posted its exact placement process....how long it has taken in actual.....no one has........is the time in which students get placed that important for u........
There r some facts which u just need to ignore on a placement report - and time and salary are one of them..........
As i have since start stated......salary is secondary.......what matters is the co. and the profile.......
and trust me all these cos. comin to MDI wud be giving excellent profiles.....
And y such a shouting over HSBC......I might very well say......if campuses where HSBC bank went....if they r saying HSBC came.....they shud state it was bank......and trust me if u think AMC pays less than bank in HSBC......dude.....U HAVE NO CLUE WAT JOB IS DONE AT AMC and wat kinda money is there in AMC.......
I have not stated it - this package from HSBC AMC is simply vanilla ice cream.......JUST PLAIN OLD CASH - Those gren notes wich i think is y most of the posters here are all concerned about to get from a B School......(so sad - u guys think B School is all about money honey)
Well its just that they havent given their exact CTC........coz its not fixed.....
And in AMC......u make more than ur CTC......as incentives.....IT IS THE JOBS IN AMC's WICH MAKE U EARN LIKE CRAZY...maybe have enuf salary to be first among ur batchmates to own a BENZ (ah my dream)
And if u r concerned about exact time and procedure.......kindly ask all the B Schools to come out with how they have went out with their placements........I know wat has gone on in each and every B School, where placements have concluded.......
So just ignore this part......it will be gud on everyones part.........
highwaystar701| SaysAbout money.......I think our forum is not into ranking business.........so I hope if we can have a consensus den salary figures quoting can be done away with.....Do u guys think till date IIMs have been stating their actual salaries.....its simply that uve been blindly thinkin they have been.......they just cannot state actual...the rate at which fudging is going on.....
highwaystar701 SaysJust keep in mind that all the top B Schools will be having median salaries in the range of Rs. 5 to 6 lakhs this year around (for domestic) and international can vary.......
I hope this thread is now given some peace........the more hotter it will get....the more dificult it will be for MDI guys to put somethin here.......coz they know if even one post from them comes.......u guys r gonna jump on them like anything........
This is not the right way of conducting a discussion........u guys r aiming to be managers atleast show some patience and give time to other side.....to decide how to go about it........
thats all i hope peace will prevail now......
|highwaystar701 SaysP.S.: Its sad to see people are just aiming to do MBA for fat paychecks.....really sad.......its much more than that......when will u realize........
What abberation mentions above is sensible. Everyone wants to know the figures etc.
It has been mentioned ,I guess twice in the thread that MDIans would come out once the figures are official ..so lets believe them...
Things like if they dont come out with figures within the next hour we'l assume the truth and paint it arnd the world is almost holding things to ransom!
And every organisation has its own processes.If MDI takes longer in coming out with reports , they might be doing it for a good reason...and we're no ones to excercise deadlines on them....morever justice says a person has to get the benefit of doubt until proved otherwise...
Any hard hitting statements in a public forum is eqivalent to holding a public trial of an institute,and remember until official results are out,there students are not auth to say anything(they may in good faith..and get butcherously badgered for that,as we saw here!) ,and officials of MDI dont have a representation here!
So are we going to conduct a kangaroo court with no chance for teh accused to place its case!
Cmmon man, have patience...and u'll know the data when it's officially out!
Cheers
it
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anticipating a reply soon..
cheers..
anudeep.
P.S.
- plz no more digression from the topic, nd plz do not giv such excuses like let them party..these kind of statements clearly show unavailabiliy of facts to support ur argument..nd u ppl r in no way doin buy supportin it..
- mods, plz hav n initiative nd a common platform to hav the placement stats of all b-skools..