How to make the selection criteria of IIMs A,B,I,K more sensible?

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*The CAT is over for many candidates and the others would also be finishing it by Nov,6. The main goal for all the candidates is to get calls from top colleges. But as we have seen, some of the IIMs (Mainly A,B,I,K) have resorted to ridiculous cri…

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The CAT is over for many candidates and the others would also be finishing it by Nov,6. The main goal for all the candidates is to get calls from top colleges. But as we have seen, some of the IIMs (Mainly A,B,I,K) have resorted to ridiculous criteria and even 100%iler in CAT hasn't got the call.

My CAT is over and I have done decently. Might get 99.5+. But I might still not get the coveted calls of these IIMs as I do not have 80+ in graduation. There will be many like me who will be banging their heads on 9th Jan,2013 when these IIMs will not give us the calls in spite of awesome percentiles. I have a top class profile (NTSE+Olympiads+National level awards+International Technical Publications+Scholarships).

But all these will come to nothing when the IIMs will look at my graduation score below 80%. That I am from a top IIT will not matter. Candidates from low profile colleges with 80+ marks will get through who do not have even a district level achievement, leave alone a national one.

This is a new type of corruption that the IIMs have come up with. Can someone please get this issue upto Arvind Kejriwal and IAC so that we can have much more sane selection criteria for the IIMs for this year onwards. This corruption in selection criteria by some IIMs is forcing many brilliant students to look abroad for getting their DUE RESPECT.

I can understand that the IIMs want better placements and many companies look at only the 10/12/grad percentages. But then they would surely look at my National level achievements/trophies/medal/certificates etc. isn't it?

Will the companies not prefer an IITian over a guy from a mediocre college. If you give importance to marks in the selection criteria, what prevents you from giving weightage to co-curriculars/extra-curriculars or more importantly "Profile of the College you are Graduating from". Is a guy from a local college who has 80% throughout much better than the candidate from an IIT/NIT/BIT/St.Stephen's/St.Xavier's who has 90+ in 10/12 and 70 odd in graduation??

FRIENDS, as Arvind Kejriwal has taken huge pains to expose the CORRUPTION in Indian Politics, we PAGALGUY JUNTA have to take an initiative to stop this CORRUPTION in Indian Education.

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If you really get 99.5+ you can get a GD/PI call from IIM-C for sure. Even I am from IIT (IIT Mandi) (saw your posts on other forum commenting about IITians).
P.S: My CGPA is 6.71!!

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But I am not okay with the fact that companies don't look for a guy from IIT. We had our placement drive started this year and many of the companies had only 6.00 or 7.00 as the shortlisting criteria. Also there are smart guys getting awesome GPAs and rote people too getting the same and viceversa for average gpas also. Being from a new IIT and having a core branch (Electrical again - only 1 company came in phase I also add to that PSUs made GATE compulsory for IIT/NITs) and to top it a less gpa I now really have to work hard for placements. I don't see what are you so apprehensive about.

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@manu21y2k I think condition of new IITs and IIMs r same. They still need few years to give tough competition to top B school.
A friend of mine has to leave IIM Raipur after joining because of poor condition of it.
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Thought IIM Raipur and IIM Ranchi wer atleast better than the remaining new lot!!

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Anyway I strongly made a point that I will not join new IIM at any cost. Enough of this for four years. May be the upcoming batches may consider (in coming 2-3 years). My friends at NITW or NIT Surathkal are faring well both in terms of campus life and placements too. IITs/IIMs are not brands anymore. If there is any brand that is IIT-B, IIT-D..(for B.Tech) and IIM-A,B,C for MBA. Also campus life, quality education, peer group - These are all that matters. Forget new IITs/IIMs.

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@imcoolrvid I think 100% ler from IIT Ropar didn't get call only from IIM -K and that too because their flaw was in computing CAT percentiles as a weight-age component. For the 50 marks component of CAT score - they just halved whatever percentiles people got.(ridiculous) - For example a guy with 88% got 44 marks straight and he had straight 90s in all 10th, 12th and Grad. (also CBSE boards) - so finally he made it to PI. But you can notice that had the process been done in terms of CAT score he wouldn't even get 30 and he would've got no chance. And for 100%ler Sriram Pemmasani he is from AP board - which further drowned his chances and he missed the call by 1 or 2 marks. So I think there is a fair chance for everyone.
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@imcoolrvid The 80 percentage thing and multiplication criteria for IIM-A is a flaw atleast in case of IITs. Because whe you give letter grades, everything is relative and no more than 20% of the class can't get 8 and rest all less than that. When everything is relative people may get 7 gpa even though they get absolute marks in 70s and 80s (or it can be 40s and 50s also). So actually they should've done it different for letter grades or else they should've kept a cut off after looking at the gpas of all the students of IITs and NITs.
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@manu21y2k I was not talking of IIM-C. They have probably the most sane criteria of all IIMs. They are looking for big match players-- Who can perform in World Cup Final. And once they have performed in the WC final, then their past achievements and present talents will be seen. But IIMs A,B,I,K will not see your Big Match performance with great importance. They want guys like Sir Ravindra Jadeja and Sir Ashok Dinda and Sir Parwinder Awana and Sir Rohit Sharma who have Once-Upon-A-Time did well in under-19 or Ranji. So big match players like Yuvraj Singh (MoS in WC) can be dropped from the test squad after and a few low scores but the above mentioned Sirs can get chance after chance just because of their Ranji Record. So according to IIMs A,B,I,K your Under 19 statistics (read class X board marks), your Ranji statistics (read class XII board marks) and your statistics for India-A (read graduation marks) are the most important parameters to judge you. Your performances in big matches like World Cup, Champions Trophy, Tests on Foreign soil (read NTSE, Olympiads, National level competitive exams like IIT etc) can go down the drain. You will not be named in the 30-man probables list (read GDPI shortlist) until you have those proper U-19, Ranji or India-A statistics. Even a triple century in the World Cup final (read 100%ile in CAT) can't save you for IIM-K. For IIMs A,B,I, you have to score a double century in the WC final (read 99.95%ile+ in CAT).
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@imcoolrvid IIM C is no more sane college. It has also changed its criteria this year. They r giving xtra point to female and non engg.
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@imcoolrvid said:
@manu21y2k I was not talking of IIM-C. They have probably the most sane criteria of all IIMs. They are looking for big match players-- Who can perform in World Cup Final. And once they have performed in the WC final, then their past achievements and present talents will be seen. But IIMs A,B,I,K will not see your Big Match performance with great importance. They want guys like Sir Ravindra Jadeja and Sir Ashok Dinda and Sir Parwinder Awana and Sir Rohit Sharma who have Once-Upon-A-Time did well in under-19 or Ranji. So big match players like Yuvraj Singh (MoS in WC) can be dropped from the test squad after and a few low scores but the above mentioned Sirs can get chance after chance just because of their Ranji Record. So according to IIMs A,B,I,K your Under 19 statistics (read class X board marks), your Ranji statistics (read class XII board marks) and your statistics for India-A (read graduation marks) are the most important parameters to judge you. Your performances in big matches like World Cup, Champions Trophy, Tests on Foreign soil (read NTSE, Olympiads, National level competitive exams like IIT etc) can go down the drain. You will not be named in the 30-man probables list (read GDPI shortlist) until you have those proper U-19, Ranji or India-A statistics. Even a triple century in the World Cup final (read 100%ile in CAT) can't save you for IIM-K. For IIMs A,B,I, you have to score a double century in the WC final (read 99.95%ile+ in CAT).
Really sad to see this types of senseless criteria formed by the ones we consider the best......Just like the Delhi Rape case of India's Daughter.....these IIMs are Raping GEMs (General Engineer Male) on the basis of 'Once upon a time.....' we scored 79.5 instead of 80 % in one of the X/XII/Grad...
Unfortunately we can protest but like the 'Con'-gress the top B-Schools don't give a s***. Story of India!
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@imcoolrvid said:
The CAT is over for many candidates and the others would also be finishing it by Nov,6. The main goal for all the candidates is to get calls from top colleges. But as we have seen, some of the IIMs (Mainly A,B,I,K) have resorted to ridiculous criteria and even 100%iler in CAT hasn't got the call.My CAT is over and I have done decently. Might get 99.5+. But I might still not get the coveted calls of these IIMs as I do not have 80+ in graduation. There will be many like me who will be banging their heads on 9th Jan,2013 when these IIMs will not give us the calls in spite of awesome percentiles. I have a top class profile (NTSE+Olympiads+National level awards+International Technical Publications+Scholarships). But all these will come to nothing when the IIMs will look at my graduation score below 80%. That I am from a top IIT will not matter. Candidates from low profile colleges with 80+ marks will get through who do not have even a district level achievement, leave alone a national one.This is a new type of corruption that the IIMs have come up with. Can someone please get this issue upto Arvind Kejriwal and IAC so that we can have much more sane selection criteria for the IIMs for this year onwards. This corruption in selection criteria by some IIMs is forcing many brilliant students to look abroad for getting their DUE RESPECT.I can understand that the IIMs want better placements and many companies look at only the 10/12/grad percentages. But then they would surely look at my National level achievements/trophies/medal/certificates etc. isn't it?Will the companies not prefer an IITian over a guy from a mediocre college. If you give importance to marks in the selection criteria, what prevents you from giving weightage to co-curriculars/extra-curriculars or more importantly "Profile of the College you are Graduating from". Is a guy from a local college who has 80% throughout much better than the candidate from an IIT/NIT/BIT/St.Stephen's/St.Xavier's who has 90+ in 10/12 and 70 odd in graduation??FRIENDS, as Arvind Kejriwal has taken huge pains to expose the CORRUPTION in Indian Politics, we PAGALGUY JUNTA have to take an initiative to stop this CORRUPTION in Indian Education.
Is a guy from a local college who has 80% throughout much better than the candidate from an IIT/NIT/BIT/St.Stephen's/St.Xavier's who has 90+ in 10/12 and 70 odd in graduation??

I Dnt know what do u mean by that...but despite having 96% in X and 90% in XII from west bengal state board and despite being a fresher final year guy of St.Xavier's(kolkata
) with around 60% marks...sp jain today rejected me for finance ....ab sp jain aisah kar saktah he toh soch loh IIM kya kar saktah he...:(totally frustrated!!!!
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@ShuvamJoy said:
Is a guy from a local college who has 80% throughout much better than the candidate from an IIT/NIT/BIT/St.Stephen's/St.Xavier's who has 90+ in 10/12 and 70 odd in graduation??I Dnt know what do u mean by that...but despite having 96% in X and 90% in XII from west bengal state board and despite being a fresher final year guy of St.Xavier's(kolkata) with around 60% marks...sp jain today rejected me for finance ....ab sp jain aisah kar saktah he toh soch loh IIM kya kar saktah he...totally frustrated!!!!
Almost same case with me brother....can understand ur feelings....am from a top NIT and got dinged by SPJain. In India, Profile clearly means acads..preferably above 90 % in each X/XII/Grad.
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thts the big problem here.They prefer stereotypes and not actually the people who should go into the institutes. its absurd on their part to do this.And this is thriving because there is a large sample space for them to apply their criteria on. So the truly deserving ones are thrown into second choice.

But what ill take from all this is that,doing what one should and what one likes is important.And if a person is capable,life isnt so harsh later on. I would count on my abilities to earn my living and enjoy a lavish n swanky life rather than think about these instis with their one-minded criteria choosers.
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@Bottomline21 said:
Almost same case with me brother....can understand ur feelings....am from a top NIT and got dinged by SPJain. In India, Profile clearly means acads..preferably above 90 % in each X/XII/Grad.
bhai they should at least know that non engineer guyz r not supposed to have 80-90 in graduation..it is just like insane!!!:(
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The Only solution is to take help of Kejriwal.

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An Open email to IIM_A Director regarding it's shortlisting criteria....



Res. Sir,


When I was reading the Shortlisting Procedure of IIM Ahemdabad for the Academic Year 2013-15 then I realized that hardly there has been any difference between this year criteria with respect to last Year. Myself being a CAT Aspirant for 2012 & a General category student,the way to IIM-A is already is very tough or in other words Impossible because of its biased Shortlisting Procedure and here is the Reason for that.

1.The IIM-A prefers a throughout academic performer because of which it has kept a Application rating which depends on further four elements,the details are available on this link
http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/programmes/admission-details/programmes-use-cat-scores.html#pgp1

2. If a General category Student Score :81% in 10th,81%in 12th,81%in Graduation then he/she has very high chances of getting a CALL from IIM-A but if a candidate scores 95% in 10th,79.9%in 12th,79.9% in Graduation then he/she has almost negligible chance of getting a IIM-A CALL even if he scores 99.5+ in CAT mainly because of 80/79 Problem..

3.Few months ago there was huge differences between Ministry of HRD & IIT Senate Regarding inclustion of 12th marks in IIT-JEE which was later resolved after both parties agreed to use normalized score of 12th board across all India & When Council of Boards of School Education(COBSE) Provided the initial Normalized Score for the 12th from different boards across india then there was a huge difference because a 80th Percentile student in Andhra Board has to score 87 Percent whereas the Same ranked student has to score 61% & 49% in the state boards of Maharshtra & Nagaland Respectively(I have also attached the PDF file here with its link also http://www.cobse.org/BOARD_2012PSCORE.pdf).

4.Why IIM-A doesn't use Normalized Scores instead of Actual Scores,if there is such a huge Gap in marking system in India.

5.South Based universities are known for distributing marks to students like chocolate because a student scoring 90 % in an Andhra University then on normalization it will be equivalent to 65 % of Universities like Pune or Mumbai.
My request to you is that sir Please once again look at your Criteria & please use normalised Scores for application rating like what IIM-B do , otherwise what is the need to Conduct the CAT & also it will give undue edge to other students over north & western india based students.

With Rgds,

A CAT-2012 Aspirant.

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@Pratiyush This COBSE PDF is a fantastic document. Just proves that the 80/80/80 criteria is really flawed. Now if the variation in scoring across different boards is as big as the river Amazon, then the variation in scoring across different universities will be as big as the Pacific Ocean.
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@imcoolrvid we can make a point by using that document & may file a PIL in Court