Gail.Wynand SaysTricky ones. From where did you get these CRs?
these questions r 4m 1000CR.. knew the answers already so didnt attempt.. 😃
these questions r 4m 1000CR.. knew the answers already so didnt attempt.. 😃
dare2 Saysthese questions r 4m 1000CR.. knew the answers already so didnt attempt.. :)
hi dare2,
help me in getting this one.
When the government of a nation announced recently that a leader of the nations political opposition had died of a mysterious illness in prison, few seasoned observers of the regime were surprised. As the police captain in an old movie remarked when asked about the condition of a prisoner, Were trying to decide whether he committed suicide or died trying to escape.
The statements above invite which of the following conclusions?
(A) The opposition leader was probably killed trying to escape from prison.
(B) The opposition leader may not be dead at all.
(C) It is unlikely that the head of the regime knows the true cause of the opposition leaders death.
(D) The opposition leader probably killed himself.
(E) The regime very likely was responsible for the death of the opposition leader.
hi dare2,
help me in getting this one.
When the government of a nation announced recently that a leader of the nation's political opposition had died of a mysterious illness in prison, few seasoned observers of the regime were surprised. As the police captain in an old movie remarked when asked about the condition of a prisoner, "We're trying to decide whether he committed suicide or died trying to escape."
The statements above invite which of the following conclusions?
(A) The opposition leader was probably killed trying to escape from prison.
(B) The opposition leader may not be dead at all.
(C) It is unlikely that the head of the regime knows the true cause of the opposition leader's death.
(D) The opposition leader probably killed himself.
(E) The regime very likely was responsible for the death of the opposition leader.
Sorry to barge in. I understand you have requested the expert @dare2. But may I try?
My take E.
A - out of scope.
B - Incorrect (He had definitely died although the cause of death was not known)
C - Out of scope. No information about the head of the regime.
D - again can't be said
E - correct. The reasoning given in the fact 2 (example - As the police...trying to escape") suggests that the police captain was probably responsible for the death of the prisoner as he is not able to decide between 2 disconnected causes which is highly unlikely. On the same lines the govt of the nation is trying to cover up the cause of death since they are responsible.
Sorry to barge in. I understand you have requested the expert @dare2. But may I try?
My take E.
A - out of scope.
B - Incorrect (He had definitely died although the cause of death was not known)
C - Out of scope. No information about the head of the regime.
D - again can't be said
E - correct. The reasoning given in the fact 2 (example - As the police...trying to escape") suggests that the police captain was probably responsible for the death of the prisoner as he is not able to decide between 2 disconnected causes which is highly unlikely. On the same lines the govt of the nation is trying to cover up the cause of death since they are responsible.
thanks man. ofcourse u can jump-in. its just that he has solved these already so he may have explanation.
anyway, i have this habit of not going beyond the scope of argument and not assume something for the purpose of reasoning. but you cleared my doubt. thanks
Sorry to barge in. I understand you have requested the expert @dare2. But may I try?
My take E.
A - out of scope.
B - Incorrect (He had definitely died although the cause of death was not known)
C - Out of scope. No information about the head of the regime.
D - again can't be said
E - correct. The reasoning given in the fact 2 (example - As the police...trying to escape") suggests that the police captain was probably responsible for the death of the prisoner as he is not able to decide between 2 disconnected causes which is highly unlikely. On the same lines the govt of the nation is trying to cover up the cause of death since they are responsible.
now this is embarassing.. m no expert.. i hope gail bro is not sarcastic here.. :(
we cant assume anything in CR questions.. when question is asked to find the conclusion we need to choose only that conclusion in which we can link two or more premises with the conclusion.. in this question the analogy("As the police captain in an old movie remarked...") shd have been given purposefully..
A. fulfills only part of a premise.. not a good choice
B. would have been the best choice if the analogy abt the police captain was not given..
C. very seasoned observers of the regime were surprised.. most or many of the observers were not surprised(maybe because they knew wat really happened).. so it may likely that the govt. is involved. also had of regime is not mentioned.. so this is a bad choice..
D. fulfills only part of a premise.. same as A.. bad choice again..
E. best options. although very strong word('very likely') is used but since most of the observers were not surprised, which means dat they knew wat happened.. so 'most knew', so 'most likely'.. also since the analogy was given abt the prisoner's death(suicide), the opposition leader is most probably dead..
this is how i solved it.. there may b some flaws in my reasoning..
hi dare2,
help me in getting this one.
When the government of a nation announced recently that a leader of the nation's political opposition had died of a mysterious illness in prison, few seasoned observers of the regime were surprised. As the police captain in an old movie remarked when asked about the condition of a prisoner, "We're trying to decide whether he committed suicide or died trying to escape."
The statements above invite which of the following conclusions?
(A) The opposition leader was probably killed trying to escape from prison.
(B) The opposition leader may not be dead at all.
(C) It is unlikely that the head of the regime knows the true cause of the opposition leader's death.
(D) The opposition leader probably killed himself.
(E) The regime very likely was responsible for the death of the opposition leader.
now this is embarassing.. m no expert.. i hope gail bro is not sarcastic here.. 😞 (No sarcasm intended. With all due respect this was a compliment)
we cant assume anything in CR questions.. when question is asked to find the conclusion we need to choose only that conclusion in which we can link two or more premises with the conclusion.. in this question the analogy("As the police captain in an old movie remarked...") shd have been given purposefully..
A. fulfills only part of a premise.. not a good choice (How does it fulfill a part of the premise. If this was the case wouldn't the govt. happily announce this and get rid of the discussion at the 1st place.)
B. would have been the best choice if the analogy abt the police captain was not given..(I would not conclude this. If the police's remark was not given most choices would be under consideration, moreover this would be the weakest, i.e. IMO. If someone is declared dead and the cause is not clear does mean that the person is dead. If we are a detective the last thing we would suspect is "Is the person dead?" unless someone is trying to "hide the body" etc. like in Indian movies where the body is almost never found and the hero turns up in an all new avatar to avenge himself, LOL)
C. very seasoned observers of the regime were surprised.. most or many of the observers were not surprised(maybe because they knew wat really happened).. so it may likely that the govt. is involved. also had of regime is not mentioned.. so this is a bad choice.. (Although your observation is correct; I am confused with the word "Observers". its not "members". "Observers" will never be a part of the regime and are most likely a 3rd party. So "few observers were surprised" suggests that such a controversy had taken place earlier and these "Observers" knew what was going behind the scene. This option is actually the opposite of the correct answer.)
D. fulfills only part of a premise.. same as A.. bad choice again.. (Again, How does it fulfill a part of the premise. If the leader had killed himself, why would they try to hide it. IMO its only the wife who is embarrassed when the husband commits suicide because of her never ending list of demands; All the married fellas here would understand) Ok I am just trying to break the monotony. This is, as I love to say ; "Out of Scope" .
E. best options. although very strong word('very likely') is used but since most of the observers were not surprised, which means dat they knew wat happened.. so 'most knew', so 'most likely'.. also since the analogy was given abt the prisoner's death(suicide), the opposition leader is most probably dead..
this is how i solved it.. there may b some flaws in my reasoning..
Apologize for the dissection but wanted to open the case in front of our junta, so that we get the concepts clear. Comments inline in red. Please feel free to dissect my claims
Apologize for the dissection but wanted to open the case in front of our junta, so that we get the concepts clear. Comments inline in red. Please feel free to dissect my claims
(A) The opposition leader was probably killed trying to escape from prison.
Is not logically correct
(B) The opposition leader may not be dead at all.
Since one of the premises is a fact that the leader is dead, this statement is invalid
(C) It is unlikely that the head of the regime knows the true cause of the opposition leader's death.
is out of scope,since "When the government of a nation announced " is the premise and head of regime is nowhere mentioned in the stimulus, this choice is a trap because most people will compare the head of the regime with the police captain thus making a false assumption.
(D) The opposition leader probably killed himself.
Is not logically correct
(E) The regime very likely was responsible for the death of the opposition leader.
as per the 2nd premise "As the police captain in an old movie remarked when asked about the condition of a prisoner, "We're trying to decide whether he committed suicide or died trying to escape." " which actually means that the government knew about the cause and thus can concluded that they were very much responsible for the leader's death, although this conclusion is weak, no other option is viable.
Hope this helps ...
hi dare2,
help me in getting this one.
When the government of a nation announced recently that a leader of the nations political opposition had died of a mysterious illness in prison, few seasoned observers of the regime were surprised. As the police captain in an old movie remarked when asked about the condition of a prisoner, Were trying to decide whether he committed suicide or died trying to escape.
The statements above invite which of the following conclusions?
(A) The opposition leader was probably killed trying to escape from prison.
(B) The opposition leader may not be dead at all.
(C) It is unlikely that the head of the regime knows the true cause of the opposition leaders death.
(D) The opposition leader probably killed himself.
(E) The regime very likely was responsible for the death of the opposition leader.
never thought this question would attract such attention and discussion.
here is how i think:
A) Probably?? trying to escape the prison. too broad in scope.
B) in both analogies the person is dead for sure but the cause of death is unknown.
C)why do we bother what the head of the regime knows? argument talks about observers of regime.
D) possible but there is no evidence in argument suggesting that. so wrong.
E) The observers of the regime were surprised as the police captain remarked that he is trying to decide whether prisoner committed suicide or died trying to escape in other way he is unsure. Now with only this much information can we really say that police captain was responsible for death of prisoner and so in analogy regime is likely responsible? Assuming something like that is never correct in GMAT, we need some evidence suggesting that regime can be a suspect. So E even is not a correct choice.
but compared to all other E is little better in terms of scope. So E could be the answers and again its 1000 CR, who knows!!! 😉
completed CR section from OG 11. Got 112 correct out of 124. Considering that my GMAT date is 19th july, how good/bad the accuracy is? is the level of CR problems in GMAT comparable to OG?
vivnitrel Sayscompleted CR section from OG 11. Got 112 correct out of 124. Considering that my GMAT date is 19th july, how good/bad the accuracy is? is the level of CR problems in GMAT comparable to OG?
It depends on the time factor also; assuming you solved all of them on an average under 2-2.5 minutes. I would say 90% is not bad.
for example: In long CRs I usually ignore an option by missing a part of the premise. But if I spend more time I can arrive at the correct answer. So I can not ignore the importance of time here.
we can always aim for a 100% though
Regarding the level of problems; I would say the problem is OG are truly representative of actual GMAT; talking about CR only (mostly verbal is, not Quant). You might want to pick some selected problems from 1000 CR and discuss them here. They are from the difficult bin. Also can be spotted easily.
What are your scores in GMATPrep?
Surveys reveal that the vast majority of hotel guests in the United States resent the high prices of the items in the mini-bars in their hotel rooms.These guests would prefer to have an empty refrigerator in their rooms in order to have space to put their own food and beverages, although a large percentage of these guests would still make at least one purchase from their in-room mini-bar. After analyzing the results of the study, the management of Hotel T decided that it would be more profitable to eliminate the mini-bar and install empty refrigerators in each room.
Which of the following, if true, would support Hotel T's plan to increase profitability by eliminating in room mini-bars in favor of empty refrigerators?
a)There is currently some space available in Hotel T's in-room mini-bars for guests to put their own items.
b)Hotel T is located in the United States.
c)Some guests of Hotel T do not make any purchases from their in-room mini-bars.
d)The money that Hotel T makes from the mini-bar purchases of its guests is less than the money that Hotel T loses from discarding mini-bar items that have not sold by their expiration dates.
e)It will cost Hotel T less money to maintain empty refrigerators in its guest rooms than to maintain stocked mini-bars in those rooms.
Confused between Option D & Option E..... Plz help.
Which of the following, if true, would support Hotel T's plan to increase profitability by eliminating in room mini-bars in favor of empty refrigerators?
a)There is currently some space available in Hotel T's in-room mini-bars for guests to put their own items.
b)Hotel T is located in the United States.
c)Some guests of Hotel T do not make any purchases from their in-room mini-bars.
d)The money that Hotel T makes from the mini-bar purchases of its guests is less than the money that Hotel T loses from discarding mini-bar items that have not sold by their expiration dates.
e)It will cost Hotel T less money to maintain empty refrigerators in its guest rooms than to maintain stocked mini-bars in those rooms.
Confused between Option D & Option E..... Plz help.
Surveys reveal that the vast majority of hotel guests in the United States resent the high prices of the items in the mini-bars in their hotel rooms.These guests would prefer to have an empty refrigerator in their rooms in order to have space to put their own food and beverages, although a large percentage of these guests would still make at least one purchase from their in-room mini-bar. After analyzing the results of the study, the management of Hotel T decided that it would be more profitable to eliminate the mini-bar and install empty refrigerators in each room.
Which of the following, if true, would support Hotel T's plan to increase profitability by eliminating in room mini-bars in favor of empty refrigerators?
a)There is currently some space available in Hotel T's in-room mini-bars for guests to put their own items.
b)Hotel T is located in the United States.
c)Some guests of Hotel T do not make any purchases from their in-room mini-bars.
d)The money that Hotel T makes from the mini-bar purchases of its guests is less than the money that Hotel T loses from discarding mini-bar items that have not sold by their expiration dates.
e)It will cost Hotel T less money to maintain empty refrigerators in its guest rooms than to maintain stocked mini-bars in those rooms.
Confused between Option D & Option E..... Plz help.
D. Because purchasing refrigerator is one time investment. So, E does not seem to be that much strong to support Hotel T's Plan as does option D.
Thanks,
Anurag...
Surveys reveal that the vast majority of hotel guests in the United States resent the high prices of the items in the mini-bars in their hotel rooms.These guests would prefer to have an empty refrigerator in their rooms in order to have space to put their own food and beverages, although a large percentage of these guests would still make at least one purchase from their in-room mini-bar. After analyzing the results of the study, the management of Hotel T decided that it would be more profitable to eliminate the mini-bar and install empty refrigerators in each room.
Which of the following, if true, would support Hotel T's plan to increase profitability by eliminating in room mini-bars in favor of empty refrigerators?
a)There is currently some space available in Hotel T's in-room mini-bars for guests to put their own items.
b)Hotel T is located in the United States.
c)Some guests of Hotel T do not make any purchases from their in-room mini-bars.
d)The money that Hotel T makes from the mini-bar purchases of its guests is less than the money that Hotel T loses from discarding mini-bar items that have not sold by their expiration dates.
e)It will cost Hotel T less money to maintain empty refrigerators in its guest rooms than to maintain stocked mini-bars in those rooms.
Confused between Option D & Option E..... Plz help.
I will go with D as it clearly explains profit if mini bar is eliminated.
E talks about maintainance cost. May be mini bar sales will compensate these costs.
I will go with D as it clearly explains profit if mini bar is eliminated.
E talks about maintainance cost. May be mini bar sales will compensate these costs.
ok.. options D only explains the profit from mini-bar but it doesn't give any solid reason for installing refrigerators.. maintaining refrigerators may b costlier than maintaining the minibars.. option D gives only half information.. hence i think it would not be a good answer choice..
option E takes care of the above flaw.. gives solid reason y installing refrigerators is more profitable than installing mini-bars..
option E looks better..
D. Because purchasing refrigerator is one time investment. So, E does not seem to be that much strong to support Hotel T's Plan as does option D.
Thanks,
Anurag...
hi anurag.. here u r juz assuming that refrigerator is one time investment.. we shd not assume nething 4m our own in CR..
if i agree wid u dat refrigerator is one time investment, but wat abt the maintaining cost.. mini-bars are also one time investment and it may cost less in maintainence that that of refrigerators..
ok.. options D only explains the profit from mini-bar but it doesn't give any solid reason for installing refrigerators.. maintaining refrigerators may b costlier than maintaining the minibars.. option D gives only half information.. hence i think it would not be a good answer choice..
option E takes care of the above flaw.. gives solid reason y installing refrigerators is more profitable than installing mini-bars..
option E looks better..
only installation cost wont be helping.. how much money they make out of it is in question here..
mickeycat Saysonly installation cost wont be helping.. how much money they make out of it is in question here..
i didnt mean only the installation cost.. other costs will b accountable as.. i was juz giving an example..
wat i wanted to point out is dat option D doesnt give sufficient reasons.. it says nothing abt refrigerators..
option E takes care of both mini-bars n refrigerators backing up wid a solid reason 4 replacing minibars wid refrigerators..
so option E is better than option D..
hi anurag.. here u r juz assuming that refrigerator is one time investment.. we shd not assume nething 4m our own in CR..
if i agree wid u dat refrigerator is one time investment, but wat abt the maintaining cost.. mini-bars are also one time investment and it may cost less in maintainence that that of refrigerators..
Yes, You are right. I assumed that maintenence and investing price would be of the Hotel's concern.
I looked at the argument again and still think that my answer would be D.
Because, the argument says that guests prefer empty refrigerators but a large percentage of them would still like to make atleast one purchase from their in-room-minibar. So, we need a solid reason why this one purchase from each room is not profitable (Empty refrigerator of course is not going to bring any profit to the Hotel).
So, D clearly states that the profit from the purchase of items from the minibar is less than the loss due to expiry of the items in the minibar.
Hope this helps to clear the cloud shrouding over this question. Suggestion would be appreciated here.
Thanks,
Anurag...
Surveys reveal that the vast majority of hotel guests in the United States resent the high prices of the items in the mini-bars in their hotel rooms.These guests would prefer to have an empty refrigerator in their rooms in order to have space to put their own food and beverages, although a large percentage of these guests would still make at least one purchase from their in-room mini-bar. After analyzing the results of the study, the management of Hotel T decided that it would be more profitable to eliminate the mini-bar and install empty refrigerators in each room.
Which of the following, if true, would support Hotel T's plan to increase profitability by eliminating in room mini-bars in favor of empty refrigerators?
a)There is currently some space available in Hotel T's in-room mini-bars for guests to put their own items.
b)Hotel T is located in the United States.
c)Some guests of Hotel T do not make any purchases from their in-room mini-bars.
d)The money that Hotel T makes from the mini-bar purchases of its guests is less than the money that Hotel T loses from discarding mini-bar items that have not sold by their expiration dates.
e)It will cost Hotel T less money to maintain empty refrigerators in its guest rooms than to maintain stocked mini-bars in those rooms.
Confused between Option D & Option E..... Plz help.
OA is D and is already explained. If the reasoning is not clear we can analyse the argument.
D. Because purchasing refrigerator is one time investment. So, E does not seem to be that much strong to support Hotel T's Plan as does option D.
Thanks,
Anurag...
I will go with D as it clearly explains profit if mini bar is eliminated.
E talks about maintainance cost. May be mini bar sales will compensate these costs.
Gail.Wynand SaysOA is D and is already explained. If the reasoning is not clear we can analyse the argument.
The OA is D. Thankx for the explanations. I usually get confused between the two option. Hw to fix this problm .......