pude the reasons for u saying chelsea is better than arsenal have mnay flaws
first u cant choose a team for such a short term success
even in that chelsea has been quite shaky at times second , no matter chelsea has managed to produce some good youth products but still it is not anywhere comparable to arsenal they have a great manager cum scout in arsene wenger
arsenal have always produced attractive football . the results are expected soon
i am not taking credit away from chelsea but they have a very ageing squad and lack depth as was clear from the injury crisis. they need to work hard to attain success in the future.
and about the fanbase. that takes decades in building not just 2 or 3 good seasons
so in my view the overall academic point of view does matter eventually.:thumbsup:
pude the reasons for u saying chelsea is better than arsenal have mnay flaws
first u cant choose a team for such a short term success
even in that chelsea has been quite shaky at times second , no matter chelsea has managed to produce some good youth products but still it is not anywhere comparable to arsenal they have a great manager cum scout in arsene wenger
arsenal have always produced attractive football . the results are expected soon
i am not taking credit away from chelsea but they have a very ageing squad and lack depth as was clear from the injury crisis. they need to work hard to attain success in the future.
and about the fanbase. that takes decades in building not just 2 or 3 good seasons
so in my view the overall academic point of view does matter eventually.:thumbsup:
It has been seven years that they have been producing results. You can always argue united are doing it for 100 years but then 7 years is no joke.
Historical importance of a team can only attract romantics. Are the IIMs acting romantic here?
Chelsea vs. Arsenal: heaven for a Mancunian like me Chelsea has a good squad, most probably better than Arsenal at this point of time. But you have to look at the fact that Arsenal works on a shoe-string budget, for a club of its size. It has the best academy in the league, and IMHO a better manager than Chelsea. Chelsea on the other hand doesn't have a good academy, atleast not as good as a club of its size should have.
Arsenal certainly has a better history than Chelsea, but Chelsea has done better recently. What i find lacking in Chelsea is culture. That i feel is the reason for their recent problems. Arsenal has a better fan-base, and also a better culture.
Chelsea vs. Arsenal: heaven for a Mancunian like me Chelsea has a good squad, most probably better than Arsenal at this point of time. But you have to look at the fact that Arsenal works on a shoe-string budget, for a club of its size. It has the best academy in the league, and IMHO a better manager than Chelsea. Chelsea on the other hand doesn't have a good academy, atleast not as good as a club of its size should have.
Arsenal certainly has a better history than Chelsea, but Chelsea has done better recently. What i find lacking in Chelsea is culture. That i feel is the reason for their recent problems. Arsenal has a better fan-base, and also a better culture.
u stole my answer like in a gd when u have to say a point and somebody else says it before u
PS. i am analyzing it from a neutral point of view
buddy retard .. u think about what i said and i m sure u will get a better insight
What I dont understand is why do people think that these 5 years have been crap...we managed to reach the champions league final...challenged for the title on more than 1 occasion ...came very close in a couple only for bad luck and injuries to spoil it...consistently do well in the champions league....All this while moving to a new stadium with over 300 million in debt!! Ask any club who moved to a new stadium how tough it is....I personally feel it was impossible to do any better than this in the state of affairs we were in....Injuries to key players has lost us more than one match...People say Barca thumped us last season The incredible part is our CB pairing included Silvestre FFS!!! Messi vs Silvestre I am shocked how he only scored 4
the table has nothing to tell. they are 4 points ahead which ain't a big thing. Chlesea completed a double against the gunners last year. Infact they had won 4 consecutive matches since the 3-1 defeat recently.
Player on player chelsea is definitely better ( the first team) they have the better forwards (Drogba anelka vs Van persie chamakh) they have the better full backs (ashley cole, bosingwa and ivanovic) they have similar if not better centre backs they have a 100 times better goalkeeper they have better defensive midfielders (essien and mikel vs song and denilson) Arsenal have faster players (walcott and arshavin who maybe coming to chelsea btw) Cesc fabregas can reach the levels of frank lampard in the next year or so. Right now, that surely is not the case.
arsenal have a much younger side. agreed.
but i see a solid backbone developing in chelsea with cech, ramires, obi, mceacharan, hopefully luiz and ivanovic.
Peace!
Cesc is not as good as Frank.I believe many Chelsea fans will reckon that Cesc is the best midfielder in the league. Full backs:-Cashley is better than Clichy..okay it's all right but seriously tell me who is the best RB in Premier league-Most of us will agree Sagna is. Song is way better than Mikel but lot inferior to Essien.Accepted Nasri has been revelation this season and most likely to win Player of the season.He has been better than Malouda.Your right wing is almost dead,we have firing pacy Walcott there.Drogba is way ahead than RVP but is Anelka better than Chamakh this season?? CB's definitely Chelsea has the advantage there but Alex has been out for a while and same is the case with Vermaelen.JT is there but your defensive pairing has been ridiculous and even Ivanovic doesn't gel well with JT as CB. Enough of man to man comparison.If man to man would have mattered,City have specialist at every position and specialist as back up.Do you believe they are better than Utd.,Arsenal or your Chelsea. With Chelsea,it is 5 point gap not 4.
What I dont understand is why do people think that these 5 years have been crap...we managed to reach the champions league final...challenged for the title on more than 1 occasion ...came very close in a couple only for bad luck and injuries to spoil it...consistently do well in the champions league....All this while moving to a new stadium with over 300 million in debt!! Ask any club who moved to a new stadium how tough it is....I personally feel it was impossible to do any better than this in the state of affairs we were in....Injuries to key players has lost us more than one match...People say Barca thumped us last season The incredible part is our CB pairing included Silvestre FFS!!! Messi vs Silvestre I am shocked how he only scored 4
Typical arsenal fan reply...for five years arsenal have been nearly there without winning anything I think when they lost a leader like pattrick viera they havent been the same side...i think they require leadership in midfield the last trophy they won was fa cup & winning penalty was scored by guess who?...pattrick viera
Typical arsenal fan reply...for five years arsenal have been nearly there without winning anything I think when they lost a leader like pattrick viera they havent been the same side...i think they require leadership in midfield the last trophy they won was fa cup & winning penalty was scored by guess who?...pattrick viera
Viera has been missed very badly I agree. But if football was only about trophies then 17 out of 20 Stadiums in PL would be empty every week. In other leagues 18-19 out of 20 would be empty. We have nearly there with the financial constraints. That was the main point of the post. We did not have the money to play hundreds of thousands of pounds to overrated players every week. We played with a team which at various stages used to reach an average age of 19 years :cheerio:. Dare any club or manager to do as well as we did with the amount of money that we spent and the players that we had at our disposal ! thats wat makes arsene wenger one of the best manager in the world and as good as fergie
Typical arsenal fan reply...for five years arsenal have been nearly there without winning anything I think when they lost a leader like pattrick viera they havent been the same side...i think they require leadership in midfield the last trophy they won was fa cup & winning penalty was scored by guess who?...pattrick viera
Even greatest of optimists were not expecting trophies for 1st three years when we shifted to Emirates.With zilch amount at disposal,a man has kept squad competitive and that's why he won Manager of Decade.A philosphy or club doesn't grow in 5 years,it takes time.For us ,Emirates was a giant step and we get maximum revenue in Premier League through stadium. Things will change and these youngsters will bring the change.And as a leader,I see Wilshere having the same attitude that Veiria had. Wait for a while before jumping to the conclusion.
NO one doubts the nurturing capabilities of Arsene Wenger. But there has been no Theirry Henry and there is no Arsenal. They do not only need a leader on the touchline, they need one on the field and right now what they have is a player who cries "I am a Barcelona player who has kidnapped to the Emirates".
Cesc indeed is not better than Lampard. Check the stats (goals and assists both) for the last 3 seasons if you doubt. Adding to that, lampard does not wear half chelsea and half Barcelona shirt.
the best midfielder in the league? not even the best in arsenal, andriy arshavin is, though he is out of form right now.
Wilshere is not going to be the great player Arsenal thinks he will be. He will eventually be sold to some club and become a Flamini or a Hleb and end up playing for Crystal Palace. I hope that doesn't happen but then he had the spark and its still a spark, not quite the flame it should have been.
NO one doubts the nurturing capabilities of Arsene Wenger. But there has been no Theirry Henry and there is no Arsenal. They do not only need a leader on the touchline, they need one on the field and right now what they have is a player who cries "I am a Barcelona player who has kidnapped to the Emirates".
Cesc indeed is not better than Lampard. Check the stats (goals and assists both) for the last 3 seasons if you doubt. Adding to that, lampard does not wear half chelsea and half Barcelona shirt.
the best midfielder in the league? not even the best in arsenal, andriy arshavin is, though he is out of form right now.
Wilshere is not going to be the great player Arsenal thinks he will be. He will eventually be sold to some club and become a Flamini or a Hleb and end up playing for Crystal Palace. I hope that doesn't happen but then he had the spark and its still a spark, not quite the flame it should have been.
and you chose not to talk about the goalkeeper :D
54- Number of assist by fabregas Highest in the top 5 leagues in Europe in last 5 years. Days of lampard are over
John terry? Heard of Tony Adams ? 😁 😁 😁 only player to captain a premier league winning side in 3 decades!!! John terry migh be a good player but he is not a legend by any way. But i agree to your point of chelsea's youth system might take time to develop but dude Trophy cabinet really????
Chelsea- PL- 4 CL- 0 FA-6 LC- 4
Arsenal - PL -13 CL - 0 FA- 10 LC- 2
Even after 5 trophy less years that we never hear the end of I dont see your point :)
Lets not dig up the prehistory .... what u won 50 years back will not help you win this campaign...... Arsenal is a team full of could have been great players ( except a few ) ...... u need experience in your squad to complement the youth....... everytime against chelsea they look like happ less babies not knowing what to do (expect last time)...... Your team is the least cash strapped out of the big four , then also i fail to understand why Wenger is so adamant not to spend ???
What I dont understand is why do people think that these 5 years have been crap...we managed to reach the champions league final...challenged for the title on more than 1 occasion ...came very close in a couple only for bad luck and injuries to spoil it...consistently do well in the champions league....All this while moving to a new stadium with over 300 million in debt!! Ask any club who moved to a new stadium how tough it is....I personally feel it was impossible to do any better than this in the state of affairs we were in....Injuries to key players has lost us more than one match...People say Barca thumped us last season The incredible part is our CB pairing included Silvestre FFS!!! Messi vs Silvestre I am shocked how he only scored 4
Arsenal atelast 20 % more revenue from its emirates per match wrt chelsea ........ this money can be invested in the market if the miser wenger wants
Arsenal atelast 20 % more revenue from its emirates per match wrt chelsea ........ this money can be invested in the market if the miser wenger wants
yeah can be invested..but it shud be a positive investment and looking at the current market scenario with each and every player highly overvalued, i don't think there is any point wasting millions unless such a player can lead you to a trophy single handedly.. and ATM i don't see any such player being available for the RIGHT price.. Mancini was adamant dat Dzeko can lead ManShitty to the league trophy..i highly doubt that, so lets see how that pans out..!! and when you say we haven't been winning tropies for the nth time.. do u really think not bringing in big money signings is the reason for that.. no buddy, its because we have been far too unlucky with injuries at the most crucial of times..!!
P.S- 8 mil for Van Der Vaart nd 28 mil for Darren Bent.. absolutely crazy imo..!! bdw i read somehere Ian Holloway is asking for 46 mil for Charlie Adam.. hilarious!!
yeah can be invested..but it shud be a positive investment and looking at the current market scenario with each and every player highly overvalued, i don't think there is any point wasting millions unless such a player can lead you to a trophy single handedly.. and ATM i don't see any such player being available for the RIGHT price.. Mancini was adamant dat Dzeko can lead ManShitty to the league trophy..i highly doubt that, so lets see how that pans out..!! and when you say we haven't been winning tropies for the nth time.. do u really think not bringing in big money signings is the reason for that.. no buddy, its because we have been far too unlucky with injuries at the most crucial of times..!!
P.S- 8 mil for Van Der Vaart nd 28 mil for Darren Bent.. absolutely crazy imo..!! bdw i read somehere Ian Holloway is asking for 46 mil for Charlie Adam.. hilarious!!
Arsenal Badly need a credible goalie .... who better than Shay Given would have catered to their needs .......... at 6 mn hez a great buy..... Im not saying bring a Zlatan for 80 mn but strenghten those areas like Holding MF position with player like Scott Parker of WHU as Song is quite fragile .... bolster Defence .... n one striker wid good repo as persie keeps getting injured
The only way to keep the current players like Fab, Ahra , or Persie is to make good investement to show that the club is moving in the right direction. Dzeko has been the bundesliga top scorer for the past 3 years and will give city the much needed boost to wim the PL.
Arsenal Badly need a credible goalie .... who better than Shay Given would have catered to their needs .......... at 6 mn hez a great buy..... Im not saying bring a Zlatan for 80 mn but strenghten those areas like Holding MF position with player like Scott Parker of WHU as Song is quite fragile .... bolster Defence .... n one striker wid good repo as persie keeps getting injured
The only way to keep the current players like Fab, Ahra , or Persie is to make good investement to show that the club is moving in the right direction. Dzeko has been the bundesliga top scorer for the past 3 years and will give city the much needed boost to wim the PL.
Manchester Shitty would never sell Given to their title rivals. Wenger did put in heck of an effort for schwarzer but there is only so much money that u pay for a 37 year old goalie. Fabianski has been amazing in goal and so has schesny ( This guy is gonna be one of the best keepers in PL in a cpl of years) Our only fit keeper is a 20 year old and no one is even thinking of a GK signing thats how good he is. Defensive department I do agree we need much better players. But with a fit verma even that department will be full.
Wenger not spending much has got to do with the board as well and the overall philosphy of a club. Arsenal always nurture talent rather than buy it . Much like Barcelona look where that has got them. Different clubs have different philosophies Arsenal's seems wrong because we havnt won anything for 5 years. If Wenger wins the title He will be god for sticking to his principles.
Ohh my dear,the retard..Everyone in England is praising precocious talent Wilshere and you are the one ranting about his future.Grow up and don't start predicting future so early. Anyways,it's Arsenal which existed before Henry and exists after Henry.Was Chelsea there before Russian revolution? :) .
Ya it was there. may not be at the top, but definitely not in the bottom either.
And however big you try make us believe Arsenal is, it has really been minnows in the European front. With all the glorious histories of Arsenal, at the end of the day, number of European cups/UCL : zilch.
And before Arsene wenger, the usual chant around the stadium was "Boring boring Arsenal". So much for beautiful football.
Moreover, do you know which club was called Bank of England once? Guessed it right:"Woolwich" Arsenal. It takes money to "create history" . Whatever you did in 1920-25, chelsea is doing it today. Fair enough.
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And Chelsea has created history after history on European front.I believe Mr. Retard was talking about Chelsea which is still minnow in front of Arsenal and belongs to same England which I am talking about. Does our history come only from 1920-25 i.e. from Herbert Chapmann's Arsenal.George Graham's Arsenal was labelled Arse-nil i.e 1-0 and he was our manager from 1986 to 1995 and not since 1886.Also in the later part of his managerial stint at Arsenal,it was boring boring Arsenal.
We are not the ones to always brag about history. But to write something that chelsea didn't exist before Roman is ridiculous.That's why I wrote with all the history of urs, still nothing to show in the european front.
And I guess you misinterpreted. Arsenal were a second division club before being taken over by two businessman(Harris and someone) and then Arsenal with all the money moved to Highbury. So it took a "Roman revolution" of sorts for Arsenal to kickstart their legacy.
