Football Club -- Part Deux

@Omkarp said:
Errr, my intention wasn't to glorify a united legend...But Scholes as a midfielder changed the game in many ways and so I find him to be better than most of contemporaries, even Xavi, Iniesta.Only Zidane was better than he is in the midfield.

@Omkarp said:
Why don't you relax a bit?My opinion is my opinion. Your opinion is yours.
Yes I agree your opinion is your opinion, I am totally fine with that but aren't you biased?? I mean yes Scholes is one of the best midfielder, no doubt about that but what you are saying is Lampard and Gerrard are not good enough. Man seriously, whenever someone talk about Midfielders they never forget to mention these 2 names. They are game changer and Match winning players.
@abhibeloved said:
Yes I agree your opinion is your opinion, I am totally fine with that but aren't you biased?? I mean yes Scholes is one of the best midfielder, no doubt about that but what you are saying is Lampard and Gerrard are not good enough. Man seriously, whenever someone talk about Midfielders they never forget to mention these 2 names. They are game changer and Match winning players.
Yaar leave it, For some people Football starts n Stop with united!!!

So he is r8 as utd had no better MF than scholes!!!

Gerrard , lampard are the pillars of english midfield. no doubt about that.

@abhibeloved yes, i admit, we cant really players of different playing positions, and players of different generations also
@Omkarp said:
Errr, my intention wasn't to glorify a united legend...But Scholes as a midfielder changed the game in many ways and so I find him to be better than most of contemporaries, even Xavi, Iniesta.Only Zidane was better than he is in the midfield.
Yaar this is not done...Scholes is a very good player indeed but you can't say that he is better than Xavi and Iniesta...if you r saying he has changed the game for Man Utd ...so has both of them...and if u consider trophies and titles...then also they r no less.
@saikatha said:
@Omkarp if u put compare all these player of this time, and the parameter is national team performance and winning matches with own effort n do wonders with ball, then i must say, zidane is the god damn best, just watch his 360degree turn, nobody can do like that. one one more player deserves more attention is Arjen Robben of Bayern M端nchen !!!!
Robben nooo... he runs like a girl...looks like a 50 year old....remains injured more than Hargreaves and ditched Chelsea
@deedeedudu said:
Yaar this is not done...Scholes is a very good player indeed but you can't say that he is better than Xavi and Iniesta...if you r saying he has changed the game for Man Utd ...so has both of them...and if u consider trophies and titles...then also they r no less.
I am not saying he changed the game for united, he changed how midfielders played.
At his prime, he was one of the very few midfielders who also scored 20+ goals.
So, he did something most of his peers weren't. He can stitch beautiful passes, be a playmaker and provide cover for the defense too.

Something Xavi and Iniesta do together.
So, in my eyes he is one of the best medios of his generation apart from Zidane.
@Omkarp said:
I am not saying he changed the game for united, he changed how midfielders played.At his prime, he was one of the very few midfielders who also scored 20+ goals.So, he did something most of his peers weren't. He can stitch beautiful passes, be a playmaker and provide cover for the defense too.Something Xavi and Iniesta do together.So, in my eyes he is one of the best medios of his generation apart from Zidane.
Scholes also wasn't alone mate... he had Keane..Giggs..Beckham, Veron...so he had gr8 players to play with. I even read an article that when he was given a trial at Man Utd, SAF himself admitted there's nothing special in him. I'm not denying he's good its just Man Utd fans always put their players a step above they actually deserve to be
Year 2010 | Messi vs. Wesley Sneijder

Sneijder : Inter Milan's
Talisman as they win the
Champions League, Serie A, Coppa
Italia, Italian Supercopa, Club World
Cup. Guides Netherlands to the
WC-2010 finals where they
marginally lose out to Spain.

Messi : Wins only the La liga. Flops on the
WC stage for Argentina without even
scoring. Still wins the Ballon d'Or
Results: 1st: Messi, 2nd : Xavi, 3rd:
Iniesta ( Where's Sneijder !! ) Simply
Ludicrious !! Apparent Reason by
FIFA : Messi scored more goal
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Year 2011: Messi vs. Ronaldo

Ronaldo : Highest goal-scorer in
Spain & the whole of Europe. Wins
the Pichichi & the Copa del rey
scoring against Messi's Barcelona in the
final.

Messi: Wins the La Liga & the
Champions League but
overshadowed by Ronaldo in terms
of the number of goals scored.
Wins the Ballon D'Or again.
Results :1st: Messi, 2nd : Ronaldo,
3rd: Xavi
Apparent Reason by FIFA : Messi got
more trophies.
Fair enough.
--------------------------------------------------
Year 2012: Messi vs. Ronaldo

Ronaldo : Wins the La Liga, Spanish
Supercoppa, Stars for Madrid in
the Champions League eventually
losing to Munich on shootouts in the S/F
Almost single-handedly guides
Portugal to the Euro 2012 finals
losing to Spain in the Shootout.
Messi: Highest goal scorer in
Europe.Breaks some records.
Still wins the Ballon d'Or.
Results :1st: Messi, 2nd : Ronaldo,
3rd: Iniesta
Apparent Reason by FIFA : Messi
scored more goals

err..nothing to take away from scholes, but he scored 20 goals only in one season (2002-03)

@deedeedudu said:
Scholes also wasn't alone mate... he had Keane..Giggs..Beckham, Veron...so he had gr8 players to play with. I even read an article that when he was given a trial at Man Utd, SAF himself admitted there's nothing special in him. I'm not denying he's good its just Man Utd fans always put their players a step above they actually deserve to be
I think that same article/joke said that someone else told Fergie he knows nothing about players. :P

There's an argument I have pro-Scholes, lekin boss meri maar raha hai. :P
Give me 5 mins. :P
@Omkarp said:
I think that same article/joke said that someone else told Fergie he knows nothing about players. There's an argument I have pro-Scholes, lekin boss meri maar raha hai. Give me 5 mins.
Its always fun to talk to Man Utd fans especially coz of the fact that they defend their team with such vigour :P
PS: Any day Lampard is better than Scholes :)
@deedeedudu said:
Its always fun to talk to Man Utd fans especially coz of the fact that they defend their team with such vigour
PS: Any day Lampard is better than Scholes
thats y im a silent spectator in this Chelsea dominated thread 😁
@deedeedudu said:
Its always fun to talk to Man Utd fans especially coz of the fact that they defend their team with such vigour PS: Any day Lampard is better than Scholes
well, you can't say lampard is better than scholes... they are legends in their own rights, but scholes comes nowhere to Lamps in regards to goal scoring ability. Plus Scholes' defending is horrible and his tackling, the less said the better.
At the same time, when he's in the mood no one can dominate the midfield better with defence splitting passes
@Budokai001 said:
thats y im a silent spectator in this Chelsea dominated thread
We are not dominating mate. But yes if anybody will come and say Lampard is not good enough, Mate trust me this is something we can not digest :).
You come up with a fact I wont deny :)
@first_timer said:
well, you can't say lampard is better than scholes... they are legends in their own rights, but scholes comes nowhere to Lamps in regards to goal scoring ability. Plus Scholes' defending is horrible and his tackling, the less said the better. At the same time, when he's in the mood no one can dominate the midfield better with defence splitting passes
Exactly, we can't say who is better. But what they are doing is exaggerating Scholes and underestimating Lampard.
@deedeedudu said:
Its always fun to talk to Man Utd fans especially coz of the fact that they defend their team with such vigour PS: Any day Lampard is better than Scholes
haha yeah that is how they roll mate :mg:.

And someone please tell me whether they declared FIFA XI or LA LIGA XI

Scholes ka tackle!! Haha!!!

My brother and I, both mancunians, both start laughing every time we think Scholes is going to lunge into a tackle..

Without fail yellow lega. 😛 :P

@abhibeloved said:
And someone please tell me whether they declared FIFA XI or LA LIGA XI
Seriously,I too double checked what team was mentioned!! I mean there has got to be someone better in the other leagues too,right??
@shakysanky said:
Seriously,I too double checked what team was mentioned!! I mean there has got to be someone better in the other leagues too,right??
exactly, just 2 city and 3 teams of La Liga. wow