Dear friends, this thought has been bothering me for some time now.So would like to know whats ur take on this. Situation: Look around in the biggies in IT industry viz Infy,TCS,Wipro,Patni etc.Here you will find every other engineer gett…
people from great coolges like iit/bits/nits/dce etc etc are always gonna be absorbed easily with handsome pay. and i really dont see any saturation till 2050 atleast. my uncle is a regional manager in nokia and he is also of the same view.
well for a mba thing yaar it is easier for a b.e grad to crack cat since he has a nack for such kinda exams and gets exp in his colege life itself. thats why he leaves for mba coz of moolah and change.
everyone wants the best. its not that every IT guy is sick . even CAs do same thing throughout their life. salex tax;incometax;audit and stufff 
the same thing may happen to mbas as well if there are so many xyz colleges run by local politicians cropping up everywhere.
what you say maybe true but then ppl are getting jobs arent they?
i used to hate call centres and still think that they are a real shame to the indian education system but still the fact of the matter is that BComs,BAs etc who hardly used to get 2K per month can command about 20K per month.
Besides indian bschools are not that great either in the international perspective. Alot of students ,even from iims, after raking in the moolah try to get into hbs(harvard) or gsb(stanford) coz they feel the same thing.
things are changing but it will certainly take some time. and such this >> kind of attitude wont help
http://us.rediff.com/money/2004/aug/10das.htm
The whole process where people get an idea and put together a team, raise the capital, create a product and mainstream it -- that can only be done in the US. It can't be done sitting in India. The Indian part of the equation is to help these innovative US companies bring their products to the market quicker, cheaper and better, which increases the innovative cycle there. It is a complementarity we need to enhance.'
-- Nandan Nilekani, CEO, Infosys, quoted in The New York Times, March 7, 2004.
Dear friends,
this thought has been bothering me for some time now.So would like to know whats ur take on this.
Situation: Look around in the biggies in IT industry viz Infy,TCS,Wipro,Patni etc.Here you will find every other engineer getting frustrated and seeing an MBA as his road to salvation.We all know.Most of the projects in these companies do not require rocket science.Just some plain old maintenance/enhancement projects.In the initial phase,the rake of moolah and being a fuccha just out of college,it all looks nice.But ultimately it comes down to a sad drool.We as engineers,feel that our talent and capability are under utilised.Its pretty well known that very few companies in India are doing development or some groundbreaking work.even the MNCs like Microsoft,Oracle etc do their back-office and offshoring work here.Not much research or development.So where do we go now? Continue ctrl-ceeing and ctrl-veeing or go Onsite(being in U-Ass of A and raking moolah keeps family and society happy) or some Yem-BA college or go back to our gaon and start farming???
Threat: I have recently observed the high intake of BSc grads in the above said companies.They do the same work,they slog more(because of a longer bond and less recognition than BE/Btechs) and they get less pay.The company is happy,cos they r paying less and getting the same work done.These people are more loyal,happy and obedient,which any organisation likes.When i see around in my company,I hardly see any IItian or NITian who has been in this company for more than 3 years.They ultimately leave for more moolah in some other company.But the work is same everywhere..isnt it?
Agreed,the way engineering colleges are churning out engineers there is never going to be dearth for intake but where do the good ones go? Is there space for all of us?
Do we need to become more product development oriented? Is the going industry going to change and develop so that a civil/mechanical/electrical engineer does not end up finding "objects" in 5 billion lines of java code? This question also goes to the B-School junta,what will you do if this is given to u as a case study? What changes you see in industry before the frustration turns into a revolution?
Thoughts invited.
Rohit.
Situation: Look around in the biggies in IT industry viz Infy,TCS,Wipro,Patni etc.Here you will find every other engineer getting frustrated and seeing an MBA as his road to salvation.We all know.Most of the projects in these companies do not require rocket science.Just some plain old maintenance/enhancement projects.
Why did such a situation come??
Well India is majorly become a BPO hub and a place where people can get their work done at very low prices... Now intially when IT had just started companies out here needed work and hence they started accepting maintenance/enhancement kind of projects and continued to do this till date... so now all companies follow the same thing...
Grounbreaking work can be done when people are interested in R&D...; but doing R&D; would require lot of time and investment which companies out here are not interested to do... and when the biggies like Oracle, Microsoft, Intel, etc etc... outsource their R&D; work here they just give a module or a sub section... this will never lead indian companies to develop any product or technology of their own...
Again easy and big money is what excites every youth here... so i think this stiuation will continue....
But there is a small percentage of students who are genuienly interested in doing some good work and come out with something extraordinary... but when the biggies spot such students they just pick them up and send them to one of their offshore offices... and there goes one more...
Only the youth/students like us can bring the change... but the question is "Is Everyone ready for a change?"
Threat: I have recently observed the high intake of BSc grads in the above said companies.They do the same work,they slog more(because of a longer bond and less recognition than BE/Btechs) and they get less pay.The company is happy,cos they r paying less and getting the same work done.These people are more loyal,happy and obedient,which any organisation likes.When i see around in my company,I hardly see any IItian or NITian who has been in this company for more than 3 years.They ultimately leave
Its is definitely a threat but for companies to become an independent product developing company it will take some time.. how long i dont know...
the intake of Bsc graduates has increased... and they are doing the same work as person who has a BE... so now what does an engg do look for more challenging job and how does he get that... do MBA.... and thats the reason why sooooo many engg are looking for a MBA degree...
but if proper work and challenging work is given to engg... i am sure most of the engg junta would stick to their jobs or do MS...
the situation abroad is quite different... engg work in technical domain for like ages... eg: the client for whom i work... he is been into this product from past 22 yrs... beat that...
and he knows the domain inside out.... how many people like these you'll find in India?? hardly a handful...
its going to take a long time before things change here....
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TS A GLOBAL CHARTBUSTER FOR INDIA:
Slowdown or not, Indias IT Inc. is literally on top of the world. The countrys top 5 IT companies are among the most profitable and have the highest market capitalisations among all the full-fledged IT services firms worldwide. According to a Nasscom analysis, Infosys is the most profitable among the worlds purely IT services companies, followed by HCL Tech, Satyam, TCS and Wipro. The No 6 slot is occupied by Cognizant, a US-based-India-centric company run by NRIs. ......
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?artid=25300604
This was the headlines today in Economic Times.But what we have failed to realise is that ,we are still like vultures and jackals trying to live on the scrapes of meat left over by lions. We indeed did a great job a decade back by capitalising on the software boom and tapping the man power resource and talent India is blessed with ,but I feel we are stagnating and worried only about quarter to quarter results.We are still dependent on the markets overseas, and if US catches cold we sneeze here.Its a pity that visionaries like Narayan Murthys ,Premjis are still satisfied with outsourcing manpower and servicing the global major players.Have we ever heard of world class product labelled Made in India? Even small countries not even as big as Kerala like Holland have giants like Philips, Nokia from Finland ,Sweden (Ericsson) etc,but we are happy just to provide services to them and if demand drys up from them we are doomed.We are still beggars,and beggars cant be choosers,so whoever is ready to throw some junk work to be done by the nerds here,we are ready to roll out the red carpets for them and give a presendential welcome here.
Very few Indian companies invest in R & D.All they are worried is to strenghten their marketing team and get some projects ,beg ,barrow or steal does not matter how and maintain a healthy quarterly balance sheet .Even top players like Infosys,Wipro,HCL are least worried to invest in achieving self suffeciency or build their own products and market them . Infact many of these companies have competency centres called Center of excellences(CoEs) ,which Narayan Murthy makes headlines in newspapers calling them as their R & D wings,but the main focus of these CoEs is not to reserach or develop any new technologies,but just to hone up the skills of the engineers on the bench with the hot technology in demand in market ,so that they can be productive if in case they get any new projects in that field.This also helps them in projecting to their prospective clients the availabilty of manpower with necessary skillset.These centres are also used as a showcase for the customers during their visit to India ,where they are proudly taken through the guided tour of their so called R & D centres,and display of products which in reality is just a test experimental product developed by those on bench and which has little market value.The engineers working on these R & D projects are shifted out abruptly when a new project arrives from the client and these R & D projects are scrapped or some new person on bench is asked to take up these jobs.R & D projects are never given primary importance as client projects ,because they are not revenue earners for the company,hence neither the engineer is interested in such projects nor the company.With such kind of an attitude we are never going to be innovators of new technolgy ,but will remain ever as slaves catering to the demands of the overseas markets.
The strides made by the hard working CEOs like Narayan Murthys in the past decades is praiseworthy ,but hope they keep up the same zeal and visions to move forward and change their strategy to build their own competency,self suffeciency so that they may not have to depend on overseas markets to keep their balance sheet healthy and even for survival.I am emphasising on the top notch management of top 5 IT companies because they are the ones who has the resources to innovate and set new trends especially in testing times like now.Infact the marketing tink-tank with big degrees to their credit from top IIMs are reduced to nothing but beggars with begging bowl ,scouting for projects and cleints,very similar to our Eureka Forbes salesman back home.Infact they have the most difficult job of all in any of these servicing Indian companies.All the six-sigma ,CMM level quality certifications are attained just to impress the clients(Ask the technical guys, they know nuts about any of these quality procedures,only the quality and marketing division knows about it).Infact the bottom line of all our companies is just to impress,impress and impress the clients to get more buisness. How long can Indian IT companies rely on outsourcing of cheap manpower as their primary source of revenue and be branded as technology solution providers?The hype of the brand image of Infosys and other companies as global entities is limited within Indian shores,because once we step out of country nobody would have ever heard of these companies or know about our CEOs like Murthys ,Premjis.All these Indian companies are percieved as providers of cheap labour ,which is labelled honourably as solution providers or technology consultants.
As for Nasscom, less said the better.It is like our UN, controlled and used by all the top IT companies to their own gains,propoganda to enhance their companies image and I wonder what the small companies are gaining from this umbrella organisation?Its a toothless body with no charter of its own ,nor does it have any chalked out plans ,very similar to any of our government organisations.
China is considered as our main competitors in world market,but now a days big 5 top IT companies are conducting feasibility study to open new development centres there ,to provide services to Chinese companies like Huweii etc.Our companies have to shed the mindset of being just a servicing company to move forward .Unless the top honchos get rid of the slave mentality of just following in the footstep of others ,there may come a time when we may say Once upon a time there were Indian companies like Infosys,Wipro,TCS etc which......
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TS A GLOBAL CHARTBUSTER FOR INDIA:
Slowdown or not, Indias IT Inc. is literally on top of the world. The countrys top 5 IT companies are among the most profitable and have the highest market capitalisations among all the full-fledged IT services firms worldwide. According to a Nasscom analysis, Infosys is the most profitable among the worlds purely IT services companies, followed by HCL Tech, Satyam, TCS and Wipro. The No 6 slot is occupied by Cognizant, a US-based-India-centric company run by NRIs. ......
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/articleshow?artid=25300604
This was the headlines today in Economic Times.But what we have failed to realise is that ,we are still like vultures and jackals trying to live on the scrapes of meat left over by lions. We indeed did a great job a decade back by capitalising on the software boom and tapping the man power resource and talent India is blessed with ,but I feel we are stagnating and worried only about quarter to quarter results.We are still dependent on the markets overseas, and if US catches cold we sneeze here.Its a pity that visionaries like Narayan Murthys ,Premjis are still satisfied with outsourcing manpower and servicing the global major players.Have we ever heard of world class product labelled Made in India? Even small countries not even as big as Kerala like Holland have giants like Philips, Nokia from Finland ,Sweden (Ericsson) etc,but we are happy just to provide services to them and if demand drys up from them we are doomed.We are still beggars,and beggars cant be choosers,so whoever is ready to throw some junk work to be done by the nerds here,we are ready to roll out the red carpets for them and give a presendential welcome here.
Very few Indian companies invest in R & D.All they are worried is to strenghten their marketing team and get some projects ,beg ,barrow or steal does not matter how and maintain a healthy quarterly balance sheet .Even top players like Infosys,Wipro,HCL are least worried to invest in achieving self suffeciency or build their own products and market them . Infact many of these companies have competency centres called Center of excellences(CoEs) ,which Narayan Murthy makes headlines in newspapers calling them as their R & D wings,but the main focus of these CoEs is not to reserach or develop any new technologies,but just to hone up the skills of the engineers on the bench with the hot technology in demand in market ,so that they can be productive if in case they get any new projects in that field.This also helps them in projecting to their prospective clients the availabilty of manpower with necessary skillset.These centres are also used as a showcase for the customers during their visit to India ,where they are proudly taken through the guided tour of their so called R & D centres,and display of products which in reality is just a test experimental product developed by those on bench and which has little market value.The engineers working on these R & D projects are shifted out abruptly when a new project arrives from the client and these R & D projects are scrapped or some new person on bench is asked to take up these jobs.R & D projects are never given primary importance as client projects ,because they are not revenue earners for the company,hence neither the engineer is interested in such projects nor the company.With such kind of an attitude we are never going to be innovators of new technolgy ,but will remain ever as slaves catering to the demands of the overseas markets.
The strides made by the hard working CEOs like Narayan Murthys in the past decades is praiseworthy ,but hope they keep up the same zeal and visions to move forward and change their strategy to build their own competency,self suffeciency so that they may not have to depend on overseas markets to keep their balance sheet healthy and even for survival.I am emphasising on the top notch management of top 5 IT companies because they are the ones who has the resources to innovate and set new trends especially in testing times like now.Infact the marketing tink-tank with big degrees to their credit from top IIMs are reduced to nothing but beggars with begging bowl ,scouting for projects and cleints,very similar to our Eureka Forbes salesman back home.Infact they have the most difficult job of all in any of these servicing Indian companies.All the six-sigma ,CMM level quality certifications are attained just to impress the clients(Ask the technical guys, they know nuts about any of these quality procedures,only the quality and marketing division knows about it).Infact the bottom line of all our companies is just to impress,impress and impress the clients to get more buisness. How long can Indian IT companies rely on outsourcing of cheap manpower as their primary source of revenue and be branded as technology solution providers?The hype of the brand image of Infosys and other companies as global entities is limited within Indian shores,because once we step out of country nobody would have ever heard of these companies or know about our CEOs like Murthys ,Premjis.All these Indian companies are percieved as providers of cheap labour ,which is labelled honourably as solution providers or technology consultants.
As for Nasscom, less said the better.It is like our UN, controlled and used by all the top IT companies to their own gains,propoganda to enhance their companies image and I wonder what the small companies are gaining from this umbrella organisation?Its a toothless body with no charter of its own ,nor does it have any chalked out plans ,very similar to any of our government organisations.
China is considered as our main competitors in world market,but now a days big 5 top IT companies are conducting feasibility study to open new development centres there ,to provide services to Chinese companies like Huweii etc.Our companies have to shed the mindset of being just a servicing company to move forward .Unless the top honchos get rid of the slave mentality of just following in the footstep of others ,there may come a time when we may say Once upon a time there were Indian companies like Infosys,Wipro,TCS etc which......
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http://in.rediff.com/money/2004/mar/03guest1.htm
Bangalore: Silicon Valley or Coolie Valley?
March 01, 2004
Politicians, bureaucrats and residents of Bangalore take pride in the fact that they live in what they call the Silicon Valley of the East. The city is considered high tech because of the number of software and software services companies located here.
But is Bangalore really Silicon Valley?
California's Silicon Valley
In 1933 Frederick Terman, a professor of engineering at Stanford University, mentored two undergraduates named Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard, and was instrumental in getting them to start a company.
They went on to form the company Hewlett-Packard. This was the first seed from which Silicon Valley grew.
Today around 2,000 electronics and information technology companies, along with numerous services and supplier firms, are clustered in the area.
Silicon Valley contains the densest concentration of innovative industry that exists anywhere in the world, including companies that are leaders in fields like computers, semiconductors, lasers, fiber optics, robotics, medical instrumentation, and consumer electronics.
Some products that went from dream to reality in Silicon Valley are the first video game, the ink-jet printer, the video recorder, the mouse, the personal computer, and much else that we take for granted in the information age.
Here's a sample of some Silicon Valley firms, familiar to most of us because of their products: Adobe Systems (Acrobat Reader), Apple Computer (computer), Hewlett-Packard (printer), Intel (the CPU in your PC), Netscape (Internet browser), Seagate Technology (the hard disk in your PC), Yahoo (Internet portal), VeriFone (credit card terminals in shops), Symantec (Norton anti-virus software), etc.
Such firms are called technology companies, because their chief resource is the technologies that they develop and own, not the real estate that they are sitting on or the equipment that they possess. Stocks in a technology company are called 'tech stocks.' Scientists and engineers working in these companies are called 'techies.'
Indicative of the inventive spirit is the fact that residents of Santa Clara County, which includes San Jose and other Silicon Valley computer hotbeds, were granted 27,617 patents during the 1990s.
Silicon Valley thrives on risk. Business in the Valley is about placing bets on people, ideas and inventions.
If the Silicon Valley were an independent country, its economy would be about the tenth largest in the world.
Bangalore or 'Coolie Valley'
If you ask the president of any of Bangalore's software development companies what his company does, he'll say "We provide end-to-end solutions for Xxxx." Xxxx could be any or all of these -- e-commerce, banking, telecom. . .
What he means to say is this: 'We'll do the software coding in any of these areas for you. Just tell us what you need. We have a huge mass of engineers who know various programming languages.'
These companies do not develop any technologies or products. They provide development services. They have engineers who specialize in programming languages rather than in technologies.
Their chief resource is the huge mass of low-cost labour that they have taken the trouble to recruit.
Ask them about patents, and you get the reply "Huh, what's that?"
These companies start with zero risk. They do not bet on their ideas or inventions. A company is started after getting some contracts in hand.
A typical engineer in these companies has no specialization in any technology. He does not use his engineering knowledge. You could say his body is employed, but his brain is severely under-employed.
Here is a sample of some prominent Bangalore software companies with what they specialize in: Tata Consultancy Services (end-to-end solutions), Wipro (end-to-end solutions), Infosys (end-to-end solutions)
DSQ Software (end-to-end solutions), Kshema Technologies (end-to-end solutions), Ivega Technologies (end-to-end solutions), MindTree Consulting (end-to-end solutions).
The comparison
Silicon Valley companies are based on 'know what.' They know the market, they know the technology and they know what products to make to earn money.
Coolie valley companies are based on 'know how.' They do the software coding for other companies that have the 'know what.' If you tell them what to do, they know how and will do it for you.
Silicon Valley companies invest huge sums of money on R&D.; They generate new ideas and are constantly developing new ways of doing things.
Coolie Valley companies have nothing called R&D.; They do not generate any new ideas.
A typical Silicon Valley engineer is a specialist in a particular technology, like inkjet printing or virus detection. He spends all his life working in this technology area.
A typical Coolie Valley engineer is a specialist in a few languages. He is not concerned about the technology that he is working on and is willing to develop any software with the languages that he knows.
A typical Silicon Valley engineer's education and work experience all relate to a technology. When he changes jobs, he changes to another company working on the same technology.
A typical Coolie Valley engineer's work experience does not teach him any technology. He may be a mechanical engineer currently working for three months on banking software, and then the next three months on shoe retailing software.
Silicon Valley is all about the excitement of creating things out of nothing. Companies like HP actually started in the garages of their founders.
Coolie Valley does not know the meaning of creativity. Some companies are started by people who quit other companies and take some of the parent firm's software development contracts with them.
Silicon Valley's entrepreneurs bet on people, ideas and inventions.
Coolie Valley's entrepreneurs bet on certainties. They start a firm after getting software development contracts.
Silicon Valley's firms are about technology management.
Coolie valley's firms are about man management.
It is extremely presumptuous to compare Bangalore with Silicon Valley, so all you Bangaloreans, please do me a favour and
G V Dasarathi is director of a software products development company
Bangalore: Silicon Valley or Coolie Valley?
March 01, 2004
Politicians, bureaucrats and residents of Bangalore take pride in the fact that they live in what they call the Silicon Valley of the East. The city is considered high tech because of the number of software and software services companies located here.
But is Bangalore really Silicon Valley?
California's Silicon Valley
In 1933 Frederick Terman, a professor of engineering at Stanford University, mentored two undergraduates named Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard, and was instrumental in getting them to start a company.
They went on to form the company Hewlett-Packard. This was the first seed from which Silicon Valley grew.
Today around 2,000 electronics and information technology companies, along with numerous services and supplier firms, are clustered in the area.
Silicon Valley contains the densest concentration of innovative industry that exists anywhere in the world, including companies that are leaders in fields like computers, semiconductors, lasers, fiber optics, robotics, medical instrumentation, and consumer electronics.
Some products that went from dream to reality in Silicon Valley are the first video game, the ink-jet printer, the video recorder, the mouse, the personal computer, and much else that we take for granted in the information age.
Here's a sample of some Silicon Valley firms, familiar to most of us because of their products: Adobe Systems (Acrobat Reader), Apple Computer (computer), Hewlett-Packard (printer), Intel (the CPU in your PC), Netscape (Internet browser), Seagate Technology (the hard disk in your PC), Yahoo (Internet portal), VeriFone (credit card terminals in shops), Symantec (Norton anti-virus software), etc.
Such firms are called technology companies, because their chief resource is the technologies that they develop and own, not the real estate that they are sitting on or the equipment that they possess. Stocks in a technology company are called 'tech stocks.' Scientists and engineers working in these companies are called 'techies.'
Indicative of the inventive spirit is the fact that residents of Santa Clara County, which includes San Jose and other Silicon Valley computer hotbeds, were granted 27,617 patents during the 1990s.
Silicon Valley thrives on risk. Business in the Valley is about placing bets on people, ideas and inventions.
If the Silicon Valley were an independent country, its economy would be about the tenth largest in the world.
Bangalore or 'Coolie Valley'
If you ask the president of any of Bangalore's software development companies what his company does, he'll say "We provide end-to-end solutions for Xxxx." Xxxx could be any or all of these -- e-commerce, banking, telecom. . .
What he means to say is this: 'We'll do the software coding in any of these areas for you. Just tell us what you need. We have a huge mass of engineers who know various programming languages.'
These companies do not develop any technologies or products. They provide development services. They have engineers who specialize in programming languages rather than in technologies.
Their chief resource is the huge mass of low-cost labour that they have taken the trouble to recruit.
Ask them about patents, and you get the reply "Huh, what's that?"
These companies start with zero risk. They do not bet on their ideas or inventions. A company is started after getting some contracts in hand.
A typical engineer in these companies has no specialization in any technology. He does not use his engineering knowledge. You could say his body is employed, but his brain is severely under-employed.
Here is a sample of some prominent Bangalore software companies with what they specialize in: Tata Consultancy Services (end-to-end solutions), Wipro (end-to-end solutions), Infosys (end-to-end solutions)
DSQ Software (end-to-end solutions), Kshema Technologies (end-to-end solutions), Ivega Technologies (end-to-end solutions), MindTree Consulting (end-to-end solutions).
The comparison
Silicon Valley companies are based on 'know what.' They know the market, they know the technology and they know what products to make to earn money.
Coolie valley companies are based on 'know how.' They do the software coding for other companies that have the 'know what.' If you tell them what to do, they know how and will do it for you.
Silicon Valley companies invest huge sums of money on R&D.; They generate new ideas and are constantly developing new ways of doing things.
Coolie Valley companies have nothing called R&D.; They do not generate any new ideas.
A typical Silicon Valley engineer is a specialist in a particular technology, like inkjet printing or virus detection. He spends all his life working in this technology area.
A typical Coolie Valley engineer is a specialist in a few languages. He is not concerned about the technology that he is working on and is willing to develop any software with the languages that he knows.
A typical Silicon Valley engineer's education and work experience all relate to a technology. When he changes jobs, he changes to another company working on the same technology.
A typical Coolie Valley engineer's work experience does not teach him any technology. He may be a mechanical engineer currently working for three months on banking software, and then the next three months on shoe retailing software.
Silicon Valley is all about the excitement of creating things out of nothing. Companies like HP actually started in the garages of their founders.
Coolie Valley does not know the meaning of creativity. Some companies are started by people who quit other companies and take some of the parent firm's software development contracts with them.
Silicon Valley's entrepreneurs bet on people, ideas and inventions.
Coolie Valley's entrepreneurs bet on certainties. They start a firm after getting software development contracts.
Silicon Valley's firms are about technology management.
Coolie valley's firms are about man management.
It is extremely presumptuous to compare Bangalore with Silicon Valley, so all you Bangaloreans, please do me a favour and
- Don't call your city Silicon Valley ('pub city' or 'garden city', I have no problem with -- lots of pubs and lots of trees, but very little silicon).
- Don't call one of your new software companies a 'high technology start-up.'
- Don't call your engineers 'techies.' They've forgotten their engineering long ago.
- Don't say you've invested in 'tech stocks' ('body stocks' maybe ?).
G V Dasarathi is director of a software products development company
Situation: Look around in the biggies in IT industry viz Infy,TCS,Wipro,Patni etc.Here you will find every other engineer getting frustrated and seeing an MBA as his road to salvation.We all know.Most of the projects in these companies do not require rocket science.Just some plain old maintenance/enhancement projects.In the initial phase,the rake of moolah and being a fuccha just out of college,it all looks nice.But ultimately it comes down to a sad drool.We as engineers,feel that our talent and capability are under utilised.Its pretty well known that very few companies in India are doing development or some groundbreaking work.even the MNCs like Microsoft,Oracle etc do their back-office and offshoring work here. Not much research or development.So where do we go now? Continue ctrl-ceeing and ctrl-veeing or go Onsite(being in U-Ass of A and raking moolah keeps family and society happy) or some Yem-BA college or go back to our gaon and start farming???
Every other engineer in Infy, TCS, Wipro talks of being frustrated but how many of these are actually willing to take a risk and look for a change?? When I say change I dont mean quitting Infy and going to a Microsoft, Oracle or SAP but getting out of this "frustrating" software industry altogether?? For that matter name one profession where ppl arent frustrated ? Go to any government office, any businessman or for that matter any hot shot banker or consultant every one has his/her own share of cribs, what makes them stick on is the money and the facilities. I know one guy who was working in the maufacturing industry for 3 yrs and then joined Orcl as a consultant, he said we techies have it very easy. 15+ starting sal when he was paid 10 after 3 yrs of work ex in that manufactuing company. Since we guys are interacting mostly with techies/BPO'ites we feel that we are the only guys frustrated. Ask the B com guy who works 10 hrs a day keeping accounts for a measly 3-4K a month. I am sure he will be more than "frustrated". I remember having a similar discussion with my Dad who spent 25 yrs in a Bank, he told me that 15 yrs ago ppl were frustrated in banks, albeit to a lesser degree. With we current gen, guys its a case of expecting too much too soon. "Most of the projects in these companies do not require rocket science." For that matter how many fields require rocket science?? Even after MBA life is gonna consist mostly of doing a routine job day in day out.
Threat: I have recently observed the high intake of BSc grads in the above said companies.They do the same work,they slog more(because of a longer bond and less recognition than BE/Btechs) and they get less pay.The company is happy,cos they r paying less and getting the same work done.These people are more loyal,happy and obedient,which any organisation likes.When i see around in my company,I hardly see any IItian or NITian who has been in this company for more than 3 years.They ultimately leave for more moolah in some other company.But the work is same everywhere..isnt it?
Agreed,the way engineering colleges are churning out engineers there is never going to be dearth for intake but where do the good ones go? Is there space for all of us?
U r right abt BSc being taken in nowadays but that is a very miniscule proportion as of now and I dont see this increasing very much in the years to come. When u have Karnataka itself churning out 20K+ engineers every year, not many companies would be interested in recruiting BSc, even if they do, I havent seen anyone put into any "critical" project as such, at most some Testing project is what they can expect. Even when companies like Infy, TCS bid for a project the client will be interested to ensure that "qualified" ppl like Enggs work on his projects. That exactly is the reason these companies recruit engineers even if they know that 80% of the work can be safisfactorily done by 12+ guys.
"Where do the good ones go??". As of now most of these "good ones" are IIM/MS
bound coz they feel that they are capable of doing far better than the routine work and in the hope that an MBA might change something, lets see if this trend changes in any way in the years to come.
orca SaysFor that matter name one profession where ppl arent frustrated ? .
i think people who do what they like to do and enjoy their work are not frustrated....
most of the techies will jump into this industry thinking they'll get to do kind of work which they like but end up disappointed and hence look for a change either in some other company or go for higher studies like MBA etc...
i think people who do what they like to do and enjoy their work are not frustrated....
most of the techies will jump into this industry thinking they'll get to do kind of work which they like but end up disappointed and hence look for a change either in some other company or go for higher studies like MBA etc...
Quite right but consider the chances of you actually getting to do what you like to do. But even before that we need to realise "what we like to do". Most of the techies going for MBA know what they dont like to do but not necessarily "what they like to do" and I am not very sure if they know "what they like to do" even after finishing their MBA/PG.
Yeah this thought has worried me too....
Consider that a guy slogs four years in B.tech programmes...and then u come to know tat u r goin with some commerce and Bsc graduates who had done some course in Computer courses....This to no offense to those guys...But come on guys this guys are the representatives of India of indian software firms to the world....surely they have got a gud logic but this doesnt come in use everytime...Sometimes u got to now the in depth knowledge of the systems...Which i m sorry to say...
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Yogi
The big question is that how many enggs who want to shift to mgmt and go for an MBA are really interested or capable of it?And lots of enggs these days after 2-3 years of experience get a pay package +or
As for the software companies recruiting BSc grads..which has started recently might be a part of their cost cutting measures but after all how many enggs actually deserve to be enggs???.Only few of the enggs (IITians or others) are engss in the real sense of the term and the truth is that these days gettin into an engg college is a hell lot easier than getting into any other college. So the software companies which recruit non-enggs or FMCG companies which recruit non-MBAs do so only when they get the same kinda or even better work outa them.Here I would like to give an example of an interview conducted for an engg post.One of my close relatives along with few other members was conducting the interview.Most of the enggs cleared the HR interview but to everybodys shock during the tech interview they couldnt even answer simple questions like how does a mobilephone work or school level programs of C were difficult for them!!.They were not from IIT/DCE etc but then how many enggs are from such colleges.?...5%? or is that too much?
I know commerce/science/humanities grads who were recruited by HLL in 2000 and science grads recruited by INFY,WIPRO who are all now earning 70k+ at the age of 25.So to say that this is a matter to be worried about (as somebody said) and that BEs invest four years slogging and end up competing with BScs is not justified at all.At the same time saying that IITians are the only ones who deserve to be enggs is also not correct. Most of the MNCs like P&G;, Reckittbenkiser, Mckinsey etc. dont have an MBA/MS degree mentioned in their eligibility criteria.They recruit graduates from all disciplines ..at the most they require few years of work ex..some dont even require that. WHY???????? Think about it guys these are few of the most reputed companies of the world!
As for the software companies recruiting BSc grads..which has started recently might be a part of their cost cutting measures but after all how many enggs actually deserve to be enggs???.Only few of the enggs (IITians or others) are engss in the real sense of the term and the truth is that these days gettin into an engg college is a hell lot easier than getting into any other college. So the software companies which recruit non-enggs or FMCG companies which recruit non-MBAs do so only when they get the same kinda or even better work outa them.Here I would like to give an example of an interview conducted for an engg post.One of my close relatives along with few other members was conducting the interview.Most of the enggs cleared the HR interview but to everybodys shock during the tech interview they couldnt even answer simple questions like how does a mobilephone work or school level programs of C were difficult for them!!.They were not from IIT/DCE etc but then how many enggs are from such colleges.?...5%? or is that too much?
I know commerce/science/humanities grads who were recruited by HLL in 2000 and science grads recruited by INFY,WIPRO who are all now earning 70k+ at the age of 25.So to say that this is a matter to be worried about (as somebody said) and that BEs invest four years slogging and end up competing with BScs is not justified at all.At the same time saying that IITians are the only ones who deserve to be enggs is also not correct. Most of the MNCs like P&G;, Reckittbenkiser, Mckinsey etc. dont have an MBA/MS degree mentioned in their eligibility criteria.They recruit graduates from all disciplines ..at the most they require few years of work ex..some dont even require that. WHY???????? Think about it guys these are few of the most reputed companies of the world!
A very good topic but unfortunately discussed from an emotional perspective. I am sure many of you would have heard of Maslow's heirarchy of needs wherein man first tries to satisfy his basic needs and then increases his demands to satisfy his inner needs. 10 years ago very few in India would have even thought about how staisfying their jobs are but these days the deluge of opportunities have made us think aloud about self actualisation. India's BPO industry is what is keeping the millions of enginners produced every year employed. While this industry is a blessing for the mediocre or less skilled among the engineers it does not venture to satisfy the intellectual demands of the elite. But before making any corny statemnt like coolie valley or labourers for the USA please do realise that this market is barely 7-8 years old. Already we observe a significant trend in the ITO sector to shift the higher end jobs towards India. Moving up the value chain is something that will take time but will end in giving higher quality jobs to the beluagured Indian souls. We are seeing manufaturing plants of Intel, Nokia and even Motorola being set up here. And then there is also the KPO sector which is a good movement up the value chain. So don't despair over how engineers will survive. Most of you sound too old for comfort. This cultural disturbance is a very well researched phenomena and attempts are being made by major companies to let their employees adjust. So please be patient and stop trying to bite the hand that feeds. Dont let neo liberal thoughts like slaves of the US start disturbing you because for every bored s/w engineer here there is an unemployed engineer there
i jus saw (obviously late though) . But i wonder the way u had let out ur thoughts ... it might not have receded still.
i'm not gonna do a block n tackle ... but i always wanna be others shoes also to attempt (atleast) to get a better picture.
find below 2 links first of which is as old as ur message and the second one is near to new.
1) http://www.familyinjustice.com/h1b/H1B_ReportToCongress.html
2) How to Survive the Outsourcing Boom
Yea u should think posting sites is beating some one's horn for u ... but the truth here is these are the cries of People in FIRST COUNTRY.
Thanks,
Amith.
If you are good enough you will be to.
there is always space for good people and if you are among the top companies will always be there to grab you.