hey guys , i’ll be going for msc or may be mba at uk . I know we got 2yrs of work permit . But as i’ll be taking a loan , so i want to work more than 2yrs over there so that i can struck off my bank loan easily . Is their any real g…
hey guys ,
i'll be going for msc or may be mba at uk .
I know we got 2yrs of work permit . But as i'll be taking a loan , so i want to work more than 2yrs over there so that i can struck off my bank loan easily .
Is their any real guys working out uk ?? can you share your experiences?? work permits? is it possible to extend? i knw they had a new election its totally hard to predict the job future.
Thanks in Advance
Regards : sayan
i'm attending some counsellings with edwise .
I dun know those crap female counsellors acts like they are british president . knows everything bout work permit . sighs*. I dun knoe may be they can be right .
hey guys ,
i'll be going for msc or may be mba at uk .
I know we got 2yrs of work permit . But as i'll be taking a loan , so i want to work more than 2yrs over there so that i can struck off my bank loan easily .
Is their any real guys working out uk ?? can you share your experiences?? work permits? is it possible to extend? i knw they had a new election its totally hard to predict the job future.
Thanks in Advance
Regards : sayan
Dear Sayan,
Your Post-MBA stay actually depends on your Fate..of getting a job and your employer would arrange the Tier-1 VISA for you. As long as you have this..you would stay in UK..or else you'll have to pack-up to return back.
An MBA/M.Sc qualifies you to stay there in UK for 2 yrs..but for Junta..who unfortunately Failed to get a job Post MBA/M.Sc..have/had to come back within a few weeks/month..
as it is almost Impossible to do Job-Hunting for 2 yrs in UK..
being Phenominally Expensive..& you cannot Live with part-time jobs 
So dear..it is advisable to Think wisely & proceed for your UK MBA..as the ROI in India is bad. This is because most of the Non-ranked UK MBA degrees are not well regarded by the Indian Employers and even by the UK Employers
. So think 100 times before investing your Time-Money-Energy. 
The situation in UK is not good
& now the Conservatives in Power..have made the situation more worse. Don't rely on any Educational Consultants
(Edwise or Chopras etc)..everything is Online now..MBA Applications etc..so why depending on these Crap-Commission based biased agents..they will misguide you..& would give you a ROSY-PICTURE..:wow: ask them about the UK VISA/Tier system & they would not be able to give you Convinving answers. Moreover they would tell you..only those Universities & Promote them..who give them the MAXIMUM COMMISSIONS..So you are just a BAKRA ! :banghead:
Btw..which schools have you applied/got an Admit?
Cheers,
Dr Saurabh.
Mate ,
yea conservatives got the power , it's hard to predict the advantage for the international students.
well mate ,
cant really afford colleges which is gonna take 15 lakhs or 20 lakhs . I was thinking of glasgow , coventry ,
suggest me some good cheap universities with some good employment facilities . My profile
IELTS : 6band
No gmat .
gonna be 2yrs of work exp management trainee .
Hope to get your awesome guidance again .
mate are ya at uk presently ???
Hope i can meet ya up at 2011 .
and dude what specialisation at uk got maximum value?? Marketing ? or finance??
Unregisteredboy Saysand dude what specialisation at uk got maximum value?? Marketing ? or finance??
hey since my senior is already there he told mee getting a job th is quite tough cuz of the newly formed govt..... they prefer 1st eu students then non eu country students n then they give preference to the foreigners so the race is quite tough...!!
anyways all the best!
Mate ,
yea conservatives got the power , it's hard to predict the advantage for the international students.
well mate ,
cant really afford colleges which is gonna take 15 lakhs or 20 lakhs . I was thinking of glasgow , coventry ,
suggest me some good cheap universities with some good employment facilities . My profile
IELTS : 6band
No gmat .
gonna be 2yrs of work exp management trainee .
Hope to get your awesome guidance again .
Dear,
As I told you that it's really tough to get a job in UK..@ the present scenario. I know many guys..who did their MBAs from decent UK B-schools also..had to come back..due to Scarcity of jobs..so with an MBA from non-ranked UK b-schools..who are most likely to take a BIG-BIG RISK..& might end-up with a big Debt of Bank-loan.
Even if it is 15L..then also the amount is big.
And all the Good UK b-schools ask for min 3 yrs of work-ex..so any University that takes you..would definitely not a good one..specially those in your mind.
I would therefore suggest you to work for couple of more yrs..write GMAT..save money..& then apply to some GOOD Internationally-Ranked schools..which have great Recruitment statistics..& phenominal ROI. By that time you'll also have a Good profile..substantial work-ex and would know what you have to get with an MBA..& you'll be also able to Impress the Employers in UK/India.
Believe me dude..Life is Hell..for those Jobless unfortunate souls.. with a Bank loan of 15-20 L..& struggling with Frustration & Depression.
All the best,
Dr Saurabh.
DearSaurabh ,
me a BBA management student , I don't think i'd really get self satisfying jobs after completing my course , but in the mean time i'm working in my maternal uncles Firm , as a full time management trainee . i'll b having 2yrs of experience next yr may. What specialisation do ya think holds decent value nowadays in european countries . Marketing or finance? I'm thinking to go for marketing .Is it a good choice at abroad ? or i shall go for finance?
Regards : sayan
Dear Unregisteredboy,
First of all, the information that you are looking for is not difficult to get to online, and certainly you don't need to pay professionals to guide you with this sort of information. Everything is available in public domain and can be easily accessed.
Anyways there are quite a few fine prints with the work visa to UK, something which I have seen people interested in UK degrees tend to ignore. Your degree in UK normally qualifies you to work here for 2 years without much of a hassle. The only condition being that the University should be one from the list mentioned on UKBA website. It is very important that you understand the fact that your 2 year visa (also know as Post Study Work Visa, PSW) cannot be extended and does not add towards the period of settlement here. The condition for extensions to Tier 1 after 2 years in UK on PSW is where the fine prints become important. The rules say that you have to show earnings/wages from your employer for a period of 12 months before application date. So technically you have less that 1 year to look for a job and start earning, also the earnings can only be from one source, so you cannot work part time in 3 different places and add your salary together. Next you should look into the fact that do you actually qualify to switch over to Tier 1 after 2 years. As per the new rules introduced from 6th April 2010 it has become increasingly difficult for people to qualify for an extension, and the reason can be understood if you go through this points table... (http://www.1stcontactenews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/tier-1-chart.jpg)
Average salaries for graduate range from 24-30K, although you would be lucky to get close to the higher end when you start your employment in the current economic scenario. Companies can always hire you directly and straight out from college and put you on Tier 2 visa, but to be honest chances of that happening are pretty slim.
Say worst happens and you don't get a job and have to resort to a part time position here, and end up working your socks off.....then you are looking at 2-3 maybe max 5000 GBP saving over a 2 year period. Which by current conversion is 3.4L INR. As you can tell this amount is not going to be sufficient to cover your bank loan. Plus don't forget to add the loss of 2 years and the fact that you are working in a sector which doesn't relate to the qualifications that you have earned.
So I guess you get the picture that I am trying to paint here. At the end of the day its your money and your time. But do research carefully before you sign on the dotted line. The ground realities are very different from what you think.
Best Wishes,
mtp
hey guys ,
i'll be going for msc or may be mba at uk .
I know we got 2yrs of work permit . But as i'll be taking a loan , so i want to work more than 2yrs over there so that i can struck off my bank loan easily .
Is their any real guys working out uk ?? can you share your experiences?? work permits? is it possible to extend? i knw they had a new election its totally hard to predict the job future.
Thanks in Advance
Regards : sayan
Dear Unregisteredboy,
First of all, the information that you are looking for is not difficult to get to online, and certainly you don't need to pay professionals to guide you with this sort of information. Everything is available in public domain and can be easily accessed.
Anyways there are quite a few fine prints with the work visa to UK, something which I have seen people interested in UK degrees tend to ignore. Your degree in UK normally qualifies you to work here for 2 years without much of a hassle. The only condition being that the University should be one from the list mentioned on UKBA website. It is very important that you understand the fact that your 2 year visa (also know as Post Study Work Visa, PSW) cannot be extended and does not add towards the period of settlement here. The condition for extensions to Tier 1 after 2 years in UK on PSW is where the fine prints become important. The rules say that you have to show earnings/wages from your employer for a period of 12 months before application date. So technically you have less that 1 year to look for a job and start earning, also the earnings can only be from one source, so you cannot work part time in 3 different places and add your salary together. Next you should look into the fact that do you actually qualify to switch over to Tier 1 after 2 years. As per the new rules introduced from 6th April 2010 it has become increasingly difficult for people to qualify for an extension, and the reason can be understood if you go through this points table... (http://www.immigrationlaw.com/newsletters/images/tier1.jpg)
Average salaries for graduate range from 24-30K, although you would be lucky to get close to the higher end when you start your employment in the current economic scenario. Companies can always hire you directly and straight out from college and put you on Tier 2 visa, but to be honest chances of that happening are pretty slim.
Say worst happens and you don't get a job and have to resort to a part time position here, and end up working your socks off.....then you are looking at 2-3 maybe max 5000 GBP saving over a 2 year period. Which by current conversion is 3.4L INR. As you can tell this amount is not going to be sufficient to cover your bank loan. Plus don't forget to add the loss of 2 years and the fact that you are working in a sector which doesn't relate to the qualifications that you have earned.
So I guess you get the picture that I am trying to paint here. At the end of the day its your money and your time. But do research carefully before you sign on the dotted line. The ground realities are very different from what you think.
Best Wishes,
mtp
Hi mtp,
Thanks for giving this resourceful 1st-Hand information. :clap:
I see your location as Manchester. So are u a Brit or a Desi? And did you attend any b-school in UK?
After doing extensive Research & the Poor feedback from current students & Alumni of many Ranked UK b-schools..I decided to drop my Idea of continuing for a UK MBA..despite of having Multiple admits
..I was concerned about the Placements & ROI..I am also looking for a Career-change with an MBA degree..so a 1 year UK-MBA..with Poor Placement statistics & present scenario...took me in the Back gear 😞
..I am now looking for a US MBA..or Asian/Indian MBA..so now preparing for GMAT.What is your say about it and the present scenario of Placements/Jobs in a Top Tier-2 UK MBA?
Regards, :)
Dr Saurabh.
Dear Dr Saurabh,
I have been following these types of thread for sometime now, and I do notice how many people lack information on these vital issues. So I finally got tempted and had to post a reply.
I am indeed based in Manchester and no I don't have MBA nor do I have any serious intentions of doing one (although I may change my mind 😃 coz I have scored 750 in GMAT recently). I have done an Engg from India, but after that studied for a Masters and completed a PhD both from UK. Have been working as a research scientist for quite some time here. And I am not from IT field.
Every Univ has a placement cell but it's up to the student to contact companies via them. So that is a disadvantage when compared to MBA univs in India or US. To be honest, this will never be a level playing field for students from the subcontinent. Companies don't generally want to get into the work permit issue unless you come from a very niche field and they can't really get hold of a home student. And for bulk of the applicants that is not the case. Plus there is a big talent pool already here. Another misconception that I often come across is that an MBA from UK opens the door for Europe. That's pure ignorance on the subject.
Anyways coming back to your question, then MBA from a handful of institutes in UK have a reputation, rest all universities are using this as a money making tool. A candidate walks in paying 3-4 times the home student fees, go through the mill and comes out packaged as an MBA graduate. Nothing more nothing less.
To be honest and not being very rude and discouraging, I wouldn't have joined any of the Univ which you have in your Admit list. So in hindsight you were right to not take that bold step. There are many good places in UK and rightly so in US, so give it a shot there. But that just my opinion, and people will disagree.
But do feel free to ask questions as I have been through the similar situations in my life before. And rest assured I will be more than happy to answer queries which I have some understanding or experience of.
Best wishes,
mtp
Great reply MTp4gm ,
atlast i found a real person who is in Uk , not those desi forum counsellors .
well can ya suggest something for me , i'm a BBA 3rd yr student . shall i go at uk with 2yrs of work exp ? i got 2yrs of work exp . or i shall move to US ?
Your guidance absolutely appreciated .
Dear mtp,
First of all let me Congratulate you for your Excellent GMAT score (750) :clap:& an Excellent Mesmerising Profile with an Engg background, Master's & a PhD 
from UK...and International experience of a Research Scientist in UK..which makes your Profile Unique & Mind-blowing. :w00t:
Dear Dr Saurabh,
I have been following these types of thread for sometime now, and I do notice how many people lack information on these vital issues. So I finally got tempted and had to post a reply.
I am indeed based in Manchester and no I don't have MBA nor do I have any serious intentions of doing one (although I may change my mind 😃 coz I have scored 750 in GMAT recently). I have done an Engg from India, but after that studied for a Masters and completed a PhD both from UK. Have been working as a research scientist for quite some time here. And I am not from IT field.
Man..with this Killer profile..you can aim for the Top-5 US MBA..anyday-anytime..& I'm sure that the MBA Bug will bite you (If not Bitten yet) ;)
Every Univ has a placement cell but it's up to the student to contact companies via them. So that is a disadvantage when compared to MBA univs in India or US. To be honest, this will never be a level playing field for students from the subcontinent. Companies don't generally want to get into the work permit issue unless you come from a very niche field and they can't really get hold of a home student. And for bulk of the applicants that is not the case. Plus there is a big talent pool already here. Another misconception that I often come across is that an MBA from UK opens the door for Europe. That's pure ignorance on the subject.
Anyways coming back to your question, then MBA from a handful of institutes in UK have a reputation, rest all universities are using this as a money making tool. A candidate walks in paying 3-4 times the home student fees, go through the mill and comes out packaged as an MBA graduate. Nothing more nothing less.
I agree with you 100%..& I have been telling this fact to the Newbie's & those who Paint a Rosy picture in the UK-MBA Canvas.
To be honest and not being very rude and discouraging, I wouldn't have joined any of the Univ which you have in your Admit list. So in hindsight you were right to not take that bold step. There are many good places in UK and rightly so in US, so give it a shot there. But that just my opinion, and people will disagree.
I know..& Yes you are right..& I realised these Facts..therefore I took this step..with a Tinch of Salt..& Dropped the Idea of going with these admits. :banghead:
As far as the UK is concerned..I think that you'll agree with me that the Top 5-7 are worth to take the Bold step. To name some:
1. LBS
2. Oxford
3. Cambridge
4. Cranfield
5. Manchester
6. Warwick
These are also Worth (taking their Recruitment statistics & Alumni network)
7. Lancaster
8. Cass (Not good for me..as this is famous for the Finance jobs)
9. Imperial (for Entrepreneurship)
So..I'm trying for a 700+ GMAT score.
US is the Best option..as you said...but Finances are a Hasstle for me. However if I score well in the GMAT..then I might as well..get some decent Schols & GA..but now besides the Top UK MBA..I'm also looking for the Top Asian & Indian MBAs.. having affordable Fee-structure..great Placements..excellent Alumni networking & Industry contacs. To name some:
1. IIMs -A, C, B, L (They are GMAT crazy..look for High work-ex around 8-9 yrs & are The TOUGHEST to Crack) :banghead:
2. ISB, Hyd
3. NUS, S'pore
4. NTU, S'pore
5. HKUST, Hong-Kong
These are also worth considering..as the Competition is FIERCING...d/t the great Indian brains.. :shocked:
6. HKU, Hong-Kong
7. CEIBS, China (Mandarin language is a big problem)
8. Great Lakes, Chennai
9. SP Jain- Global MBA (S'pore & Dubai)
10. AIM, Manila
But do feel free to ask questions as I have been through the similar situations in my life before. And rest assured I will be more than happy to answer queries which I have some understanding or experience of.
mtp..I would like to have some guidance for the GMAT..Verbal is the area where I need to Focuss more. Would apreciate your Experience..Preparation Strategy..Time to prepare & word of advice for it.
Plz introspect my views & the selection of UK & Asian MBAs..along with the GMAT strategy/guidance.
Best wishes,
mtp
Thanks & Regards, :)
Dr Saurabh.
Drop Manila from your list buddy saurabh .
SP JAIN s'gpore awesome option . Mah senior got placed superbly . recently there was a new NUS failed to provide complete placements , same NanyangB school .
As per my point of view indian IIMs,sp jain ,ISB are much then asian Bschools. Uk & us are diff . Those bschools can't be compared
Drop Manila from your list buddy saurabh .
SP JAIN s'gpore awesome option . Mah senior got placed superbly . recently there was a new NUS failed to provide complete placements , same NanyangB school .
As per my point of view indian IIMs,sp jain ,ISB are much then asian Bschools. Uk & us are diff . Those bschools can't be compared
Dude,
@ AIM: AIM, Manila is in my Lowest Priority..it is a Good school as it has a Lot of Indian Alumni..& is recognised very well in India..much-much better than most of the UK-MBA that you know..& the Best part with AIM is the pattern & case studies..they are from HARWARD BUSINESS SCHOOL..it was established by them..so it is quite recognised in North America as well
@SP Jain: Dear SP Jain is fine..but it cannot be compared with NUS & NTU.. The NUS & NTU Brand is way above than either of these schools. SP Jain is never seen in any International Rankings..& GMBA is just 2 yrs old..so think of its Alumni.. I got a Call from SP Jain-GMBA for April 2010 intake..but I deferred. NUS/NTU can only be compared with IIMs or ISB in India..that's it. It is a very strong brand..specially if you are focussing for the Indian or Asian markets.
@ Indian Vs UK/US MBA: Again you are Mistaken..If we would have a system of ratings for the 1 yr Indian MBAs..then IIMs & ISB would have been in Tier-1 category & The rest (SP Jain-GMBA, Great Lakes-PGP etc) in Tier-2 category. The UK schools are much easier to get into..as compared their Indian counterparts. There is a tough call b/w Top Indian Vs US schools..in terms of Admissions.. Like the avr GMAT score for any top US b-school like Harvard, Chicago-Booth, MIT etc lies in the Range of 690-710..however in IIM-A it is 730..which is the HIGHEST GMAT AVR In the World! And there cannot be any brand in India..better than the IIM-A!
I forgot to mention..the XLRI-GMP program..which is also great..at par with SP Jain-GMBA.
I hope this helps to make the picture clear to you.
SP JAIN s'gpore awesome option . Mah senior got placed superbly . recently there was a new NUS failed to provide complete placements , same NanyangB school .
Hi, NUS is ranked 33rd in the world :
ahem, IIM-a comes in at 72 :|
SPJAIN S'gpore? :
Hi, NUS is ranked 33rd in the world :
ahem, IIM-a comes in at 72 :|
SPJAIN S'gpore? :
NUS is Definitely the Best ranked GLOBAL B-school..amongst them..but when it comes to the Indian Sub-continent..then IIM-A is Undoubtedly the BEST-BRAND..we cannot compare the Brand value of IIM-A with any other school...& this is the reason that IIM-A is the Toughest to crack
:-(SP Jain-GMBA is not seen in any Global rankings...as yet..though it is a Wonderful program..& have amazing Placement statistics..
despite being the fact it is a Very new program 😃
Dr Saurabh SaysNUS is Definitely the Best ranked GLOBAL B-school..amongst them..but when it comes to the Indian Sub-continent..then IIM-A is Undoubtedly the BEST-BRAND..we cannot compare the Brand value of IIM-A with any other school...& this is the reason that IIM-A is the Toughest to crack
Toughest to crack doesn't necessarily mean the best school in the world. Plus we think everyone who takes cat is thinking of going into iim-a. If that is the case then is everyone who takes the gmat wants to go to harvard. Its a logical fallacy at best.
and by the way, When we talk about mba in general, i certainly think on a global scale and not the Indian sub-continent. On top of that singapore doesn't come under the purview of Indian Sub-continent. and its widely accepted that NUS is one of the best in the world.
The brand value of IIM-A viz-a-viz NUS or even NTU globally is a lost cause because of a million reasons.
Nonetheless, I put up the NUS figure just to put things in perspective.
NUS>XYZ>IIM-A>XYZ>SPJAIN GMBA
This probably would be a good way to rank things.