🐈 CAT Exam 2020-21 Preparation, Exam Dates, Results & Discussion – PaGaLGuY (Part 1)

Kindly help me with your honest opinion guys. Considering all factors like batch strength, course fee, brand value, upcoming economic slowdown etc. ( Ops/marketing ethusiast)

  • IIM Nagpur/Vizag
  • IMT Ghaziabad pgdm marketing

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  • IIM Trichy/Ranchi
  • IIM Indore

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General, Non Engineer, Male (8/8/7) with 13 months workex (family business) till July 2020. Any chances at getting a call from BLACKI with this profile? Might convert MICA this year. Thinking about reappearing only if theres a chance for me at BLACKI..

People forefiting FMS seats for IIM A/B/C or L(if converted)

  • OBC NC
  • ST
  • EWS
  • General
  • SC

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Those who had stellar performance in VARC (read 99+ %ile), please let us know about your background

  • Didn’t read much, practiced RCs only
  • Avid book reader before CAT
  • Started reading only for CAT preparation
  • Had read only a few books before CAT
  • Something Else/Poll Check

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After shillong unbelievable waitlist number... Please help me decide among the following colleges... Thanks 🙏

  • IIT kgp-vgsom if converted
  • SCMHRD
  • XIMB

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RC Practice - 15th May 2020

In recent years, a growing belief that the way society decides what to treat as true is controlled through largely unrecognized discursive practices has led legal reformers to examine the complex interconnections between narrative and law. In many legal systems, legal judgments are based on competing stories about events. Without having witnessed these events, judges and juries must validate some stories as true and reject others as false. This procedure is rooted in objectivism, a philosophical approach that has supported most Western legal and intellectual systems for centuries. Objectivism holds that there is a single neutral description of each event that is unskewed by any particular point of view and that has a privileged position over all other accounts. The law’s quest for truth, therefore, consists of locating this objective description, the one that tells what really happened, as opposed to what those involved thought happened. 

The serious flaw in objectivism is that there is no such thing as the neutral, objective observer. As psychologists have demonstrated, all observers bring to a situation a set of expectations, values, and beliefs that determine what the observers are able to see and hear. Two individuals listening to the same story will hear different things, because they emphasize those aspects that accord with their learned experiences and ignore those aspects that are dissonant with their view of the world. Hence there is never any escape in life or in law from selective perception or from subjective judgments based on prior experiences, values, and beliefs.

The societal harm caused by the assumption of objectivist principles in traditional legal discourse is that, historically, the stories judged to be objectively true are those told by people who are trained in legal discourse, while the stories of those who are not fluent in the language of the law are rejected as false.

Legal scholars such as Patricia Williams, Derrick Bell, and Mari Matsuda have sought empowerment for the latter group of people through the construction of alternative legal narratives. Objectivist legal discourse systematically disallows the language of emotion and experience by focusing on cognition in its narrowest sense. These legal reformers propose replacing such abstract discourse with powerful personal stories. They argue that the absorbing, nonthreatening structure and tone of personal stories may convince legal insiders for the first time to listen to those not fluent in legal language. The compelling force of personal narrative can create a sense of empathy between legal insiders and people traditionally excluded from legal discourse and, hence, from power. Such alternative narratives can shatter the complacency of the legal establishment and disturb its tranquility. Thus, the engaging power of narrative might play a crucial, positive role in the process of legal reconstruction by overcoming differences in background and training and forming a new collectivity based on emotional empathy.

1. Which of the following would be the closest to objectivism, as it has been defined in the passage?

(A) An editorial written in a newspaper column

(B) A travel blog describing a surreal place

(C) A historical text on events that may have led to the Russian revolution

(D) A biography of a famous painter

2. Which one of the following best states the main idea of the passage?

(A) Some legal scholars have sought to empower people historically excluded from traditional legal discourse by instructing them in the forms of discourse favored by legal insiders.

(B) Some legal scholars have argued that the basic flaw inherent in objectivist theory can be remedied by recognizing that it is not possible to obtain a single neutral description of a particular event. 

(C) Some legal scholars have proposed alleviating the harm caused by the prominence of objectivist principles within legal discourse by replacing that discourse with alternative forms of legal narrative.

(D) Some legal scholars have contended that those who feel excluded from objectivist legal systems would be empowered by the construction of a new legal language that better reflected objectivist principles.

3. According to the passage, which one of the following is true about the intellectual systems mentioned in the passage?

(A) They are inherently flawed, owing to the inaccuracy of an underlying tenet.

(B) They have generally remained unskewed by particular points of view.

(C) Their discursive practices have yet to be analyzed by legal scholars.

(D) They have shaped the philosophy of objectivism in legal discourse

4. Which one of the following best describes the sense of “cognition” referred to in the passage?

(A) the interpretation of visual cues 

(B) dispassionate logical thinking 

(C) sudden insights inspired by the power of personal stories 

(D) the reasoning actually employed by judges to arrive at legal judgments

5. It can be inferred from the passage that Williams, Bell, And Matsuda believe which one of the following to be central component of legal reform?

(A) incorporating into the law the latest developments in the fields of psychology and philosophy

(B) eradicating from legal judgments discourse with a particular point of view

(C) granting all participants in legal proceedings equal access to training in the forms and manipulation of legal discourse

(D) making the law more responsive to the discursive practices of a wider variety of people

6. Which one of the following statements about legal discourse in legal systems based on objectivism can be inferred from the passage?

(A) In most Western societies the legal establishment controls access to training in legal discourse.

(B) Expertise in legal discourse affords power in most Western societies.

(C) Legal discourse has become progressively more abstract for some centuries.

(D) Legal discourse has traditionally denied the existence of neutral objective observers.

7. Those who reject objectivism would regard “the law’s quest for truth” as most similar to which one of the following?

(A) the painstaking assembly of a jigsaw puzzle

(B) the search for a valuable diamond among trinkets

(C) hunt for a legendary animal

(D) comparing an apple with an orange

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A quick query regarding SPJain profile based calls. 

My Profile - 

X-9.8 CGPA(CBSE)(2013)

XII-94.2% (CBSE)(2015)

Graduation-9.81CGPA | Gold Medalist(2019)

Currently working at Indian Oil Corp Ltd(1yr experience). Past Internships at Amazon India and Larsen & Toubro (L&T).

Position of Responsibility - Office bearer of Student Council of VIT, Vellore (Graduation) | School Vice captain and Captain 

Achievements- Top 7 national finalists of TECHgium, National level technical competition | termed as "Achiever" by VIT Vellore for outstanding performance in national level competitions. |  All time top 5 rank holders during BTech. | 1 patent under review | 1 journal publication under review. | 4 times best student award holder in school (secondary and senior secondary level).


 What are the chances of me getting a profile based call from SP?

Things do not end well for everyone. CAT 2019 was made a mission after the CET 2019 setback, where I lost my dream college JBIMS by 4 marks. 

Did whatever I could, but here I am today with no converts.


This marks the end of my CAT 2019 season. A more bitter journey(than the previous one) of frustration, demotivation, and setback that I had to handle throughout the way. Guess I couldn't manage it well.


Yesterday, after my IIM Shillong reject, it was quite emotional. With a copy and pen in my hand, I sat down to speak my heart out. Tears were rolling down my cheeks. 14th May 2020 cannot be forgotten. One more date added to the list of 'You are Flawed' book. Will improve upon me and do everything to help aspirants in here or anywhere to give my 2 cents for the CAT exams through my platform Bschooler, but with this dejection, I need time, to recover, to rebound.


Vinay Kamlesh Hirani signing off.


Best of luck to CAT 2020 aspirants


The poem I wrote :


Kya kuch nahi kia, socha ye saal apna hoga, 

Uss Manzil ko paar kar, ek bohot bada sapna poora hoga,

Toot gaye wo wade saare, jo kiye the khud se maine sab,

Ab jab vichaar karta hu din raat baithe, bass ek khayal aata hai, najane kab?


Khud ke aandar ek choti si aasha thi,

Pata ni tha iske baad ek bohot badi nirasha thi,

Mann ban gya tha ki ye toh pakka hona hai,

Kya pata tha ye aakhri sapna bhi khona hai.


Dil nahi karta ek aur baar baithne ka,

Wahi sukh, wahi dukh, inn sab se nipatne ka,

Toot gaya hu aandar poora, na jane kab savera hai,

Kal ka nahi pata, par aaj bohot andhera hai, aaj bohot andhera hai…


Rejects : 

IIM Kozhikode

IIM Shillong

SP Jain



Hi, Is there any WhatsApp/Telegram group for IIM B converts ?

Any idea when will MDI release the results?

Is it worth leaving MDI gurgaon for IIM Shillong for IIM tag?which college should I prefer

  • IIM Shillong
  • MDI gurgaon

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My mother sent me this poem by Harivansh Rai Bachchan and I would like to share it with all of you. Rejections and setbacks are weird times in anyone's life, it's like a 'A well in front, a ditch behind'. You cannot go back to being the person you used to be and the life ahead seems all blurry and dark. But as i read somewhere ,"Tomorrow would be better, and if not then the day after."

People, I feel like life has no more meaning for me. Believe me I have seen it all.

In short, got waitlisted by iim shillong (400+) even after 99.6 percentile in cat. My acads- 9/8/7 -10th/12th/grad. Work ex- 24 months, Left my job last year, took 1 year drop for cat. Now after getting rejected and waitlisted everywhere I have lost hope. Other calls- fms (doubtful)/iitb/ iitd. Didn't filled MDI, now I regret it. Only convert till now is NM, but heard some people saying top 25% have placement of 14-15 lakhs, don't know if that's true but I am going to be in serious trouble if I get a job around 10 lakhs or below it after taking such huge loan of 25+ lakhs. And moreover NM last date of cancellation is 08th June, and results of my calls may not come or I might get waitlisted by that time. I don't know what to do with my future, should I reappear that would make 2 year drop or should join NM, need some serious suggestions.

Can someone guide me how should i approach varc. Just starting preparation!

Congratulations, IIM Rohtak. While I clung to the hope that the admission policy will be changed after realising it doesn't make sense, I was wrong obviously. Brilliant plan to collect lacs in cancellation charges, a feat no college has achieved till now. Well played. For people new to the show. Any cancellation after 20th May is invalid and whole 1 lacs will be non refundable. I hope MHRD takes some action, even if its late, and you are held responsible for theft in plain sight. Ps. For people who will soon claim, this is to sway people into cancelling their seats. Anybody who gets swayed by an online post should think hard before choosing to pursue MBA. For people claiming, this is to malign its reputation, I have written nothing different from admission policy updated on site.

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General | Engineer | Male with 10/95/7.88 

Work Ex will be 18 months in Janaury 2021. 

Just wanted to know if there is a chance of getting a call from BLACKI even at a 99.x+ percentile or not?Â