Tibet Issue

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So Olympic torch enters India tomorrow. And India being Tibet's friendly neighbor for long and as well as home of many displaced ones from there prmomises to further whats being going on for past one month. Tibet's been under Chinese rule for...
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very good points
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Well the torch run in Delhi went by without any disruptions. Is this the last we have heard?
I really doubt there will be any disruptions in China, they would be well prepared for it all.

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Thanx for opening this thread.

There are a lot of issues here. As rightly said, Tibet is using the Olympic games to leverage its cause. But is there another option for them. For a nation as small as Tibet with no say in world economy, it had become mighty difficult to get its point across to the world. China being a major economy and with trade relations with all world countries does have a lot going for it.

The point is what should India do. Can India afford to speak out against China and let the increasingly friendly relations between the countries to sour?
I guess India is more worried of opening a whole can of Kashmir worms in case it supports Tibet actively. This will surely call for autonomy to people of Kashmir in which case India stands to lose a good part of it.

Lets not forget its not just Pakistan trying to get a hold over Kashmir. China too is occupying a part of it. And the only way for India to get those countries out is by military force. But it can't go on attack against two of its neighbours.


Good point about economy. Also the fact that Tibet never had any army or anything of that sort, owing to its culture, which was he reason that it was able to provide negligible resistance to China in 1959. Also with Pakistan sidelining with US, Tibet is very important for China from Geographical point of view, for its being adjacent to India and also owing to its altitude. China has had bad reputation till now. It hasn't yet given up from Taiwan as yet and Taiwan is quite better economically than what Tibet is.

BUt I guess here the way Tibet issue is progressing, also taking into account Dalai Lama's popularity, China might be forced at least to open talks. Olympics is something that China was going to use as a platform to tell its arrival to the world and with things going bad from the start it may well have to come up with something.

Also commendable was the way Sarkozi has helped the cause. With Euro and all, the Europe has been getting closely knitted better than before. So France's steps are quite threatening for China as other European countries may well get together on the issue.

Talking about India's stand. Well, if India could have said "We are a democratic country and every one here has rights of peaceful demonstration which we won't stop. Otherwise its an internal issue that China and Tibet will have to solve between themselves" it could have been better. But what can we judge if the diplomacy and politics sitting here. but still the decision of shortening the Torch's run was quite a lame one.
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Thanx for opening this thread.

There are a lot of issues here. As rightly said, Tibet is using the Olympic games to leverage its cause. But is there another option for them. For a nation as small as Tibet with no say in world economy, it had become mighty difficult to get its point across to the world. China being a major economy and with trade relations with all world countries does have a lot going for it.

The point is what should India do. Can India afford to speak out against China and let the increasingly friendly relations between the countries to sour?
I guess India is more worried of opening a whole can of Kashmir worms in case it supports Tibet actively. This will surely call for autonomy to people of Kashmir in which case India stands to lose a good part of it.

Lets not forget its not just Pakistan trying to get a hold over Kashmir. China too is occupying a part of it. And the only way for India to get those countries out is by military force. But it can't go on attack against two of its neighbours.

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good analysis

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So Olympic torch enters India tomorrow. And India being Tibet's friendly neighbor for long and as well as home of many displaced ones from there prmomises to further whats being going on for past one month.

Tibet's been under Chinese rule for the past 60 years and its calls for autonomy have been brutally(that's what media says) thwarted. Their leader, Dalai Lama, has been in exile for long. Though one can't comment much on the actual state of affairs between China and Tibet as what we have is only what media says. But the recent events have put up many questions upfront not only about Tibet but also about India.

Being a friendly nation giving support to Tibetans we have suddenly gone onto be a politically, diplomatically correct nation, may be because of the weight of China's upper hand which seems to be getting everywhere. Not saying that we should have out rightly spoken in favour for China but a neutral or a statement showing democratic, impartial intent of India would have been a right response. But sadly that wasn't the case and so much so that the length of the Torch Journey has been reduced from 9 km to mere 3 km.

Same India took a stand against SA, on account of Apartheid, but at that time whole world was united against them and SA was no immediate neighbour to us. But here situation is different as no one has come up against them, except France. So we don't have anyone to follow. Sad.

Baichung Butia took a stand but what furthers are the debates of not Tibet's Situation but whether Sports and Politics should be mixed or not?:shock: Well, it would have been a good point of debate in some other country but not in India where every thing seems to be in a seamless mix. Be it politics mixing with Cricket in BCCI. Or Cricket being lauded as a tool in bettering of bilateral relations. We are the same country where Religion is so passionately mixed with politics.

They now say to Tibet: why now? Why on the eve of Olympics? Arent you using Olympics to further your political interests???:
Well, it seems we have forgotten Simon Commission or Lala Lajpat Rai. Weren't we protesting on the eve of something then? Isn't that incident a pillar stone in our freedom struggle?

There are also questions about shouldn't this situation be treated same as Kashmir issue. What happens when same thing happens on the eve of coming Commonwealth games?
Very valid question but, don't we have a platform of talks which seems to be missing in Tibet's case. Didn't we take the Issue to UN for talks. Heck! even Krishna Menon holds the record for longest speech(8 hrs nonstop) there and it was on Kashmir issue.
But truly speaking taking that point the situation seems more complex. We even had a procession in Canada on that Punjab's Khalistan issue. One could say it could also be seen on the same lines.:neutral:

Well, the games haven't yet started and things are boiling as yet, donno how things will take shape further.
With Torch run in India scheduled for tomorrow, things could get worse than what happened in France.
Hoping something good comes out of that.

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