The LIVERPOOL Fan Club !!!

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:: : Do I need to explain the purpose of this thread ? :: I, being a newbie (but equally passionate) Liverpool Fan wanted to know everything about Liverpool history and anything and everything else related to Liverpool. So, here we ar...
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@Fedrer.....I think you are one the very few users, who themselves understood that there thread will lead to opening of similar threads and that you want it to be closed.

Hats off to you for this and hence, closing the thread.

Only thing i like about stone in my path is, when I cross them, they become my milestones!
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Fed.. great initiative, man

but you know.. I'm a big fan of FC Barcelona, Arsenal, pompies, hammers, trotters.. ( of course I like the latter 3, when they defeat some teams which are not on my "I like" list ) but the forum would be flooded with "I love" or "I hate" threads if we go on opening threads for a particular club.


Would request you to continue in that thread.. where all (not just scousers) can share.

I am a fan of Jamshedpur F.C. May I please open a thread to express my love, affection, and admiration for the club?



Btw, Liverpool F.C. is my first love, aur uska yeh thread to hai hee.

Kya ab mujhe 2-2 threads check karne padenge :huh:


Federer...please go back a few pages on the football thread to see that similar posts about Man united have been posted by their fans...so you could very well have posted the same there...

This is a sincere request from a neutral fan to lock this thread up & have all football discussions on the football club thread(allow your rivals a chance to look at these articles)

SRK..you listening...:sarcasm:


POINT UNDERSTOOD AND ACCEPTED !!! Sorry for the inconvenience

Have notified SRK and nikhilkulk to close the thread ...:boat:

From Now on: Liverpool Spamming on Football Thread

Cheer$
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Kya ab mujhe 2-2 threads check karne padenge :huh:

soon the whole united gang will start their thread(they even have a mod)
& how can we expect Swagat & WeWake to lag behind...
Then PSL & utsav have to maintain the prestige issue & start an arsenal thread...

which might eventually mean that I will be the only one running from thread to thread...(I might start a middlesbrough thread though ;))

Federer...please go back a few pages on the football thread to see that similar posts about Man united have been posted by their fans...so you could very well have posted the same there...

& andy :sneaky:

This is a sincere request from a neutral fan to lock this thread up & have all football discussions on the football club thread(allow your rivals a chance to look at these articles)

SRK..you listening...:sarcasm:

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I am a fan of Jamshedpur F.C. May I please open a thread to express my love, affection, and admiration for the club?

:neutral:

Btw, Liverpool F.C. is my first love, aur uska yeh thread to hai hee.

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Get this first ..

You cannot have a thread on Liverpool, write 4-5 lengthy posts and not say a word about The Beatles
LFC is secondary when compared to The Fab Four.

PS - Oh and yes, in case anyone has forgotten, I am an old old Liverpool fan. And I still jumped in joy when Torres scored the screamer in Stadium Of Light last saturday. This may be our year, but please .. don't dispense Alonso, don't rotate as much as last year, don't sweat too much on UCL, show more faith in Skrtel and Agger, don't let Man Utd take a single point against us.

One of my wishes is to go to Anfield atleast once. Anyone knows, how much will a derby ticket cost there?

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Fed.. great initative, man :cheerio:

but you know.. I'm a big fan of FC Barcelona, Arsenal, pompies, hammers, trotters.. ( of course I like the latter 3, when they defeat some teams which are not on my "I like" list ) but the forum would be flooded with "I love" or "I hate" threads if we go on opening threads for a particular club.

IMHO, we have one of the best footie threads on the whole of internet where, a red devil says to a red.. "you'll never walk alone", where a gunner says to a blue.. well played, mate.. you deserved to win..

Would request you to continue in that thread.. where all (not just scousers) can share.

here's the link

Cheers

:cheers:

@ Utsav

Got your point but the aim was to put the info of Liverpool at one place on PG, ofcourse it is available on the net but still... And it would be of no use on Footie thread as that thread moves faster than that of the CAT-08 aspirants

I think the discussions can be continued as you say on the Football Club Thread and I think we can post the info here:

BTW, I have an idea, is it possible to have a common thread that has the basic info and updates for every club.... What do ya say ?? That should be fair enough ???

FedX

P.S. Some Pics of the New Stadia:
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Fed.. great initiative, man :cheerio:

but you know.. I'm a big fan of FC Barcelona, Arsenal, pompies, hammers, trotters.. ( of course I like the latter 3, when they defeat some teams which are not on my "I like" list ) but the forum would be flooded with "I love" or "I hate" threads if we go on opening threads for a particular club.

IMHO, we have one of the best footie threads on the whole of internet where, a red devil says to a red.. "you'll never walk alone", where a gunner says to a blue.. well played, mate.. you deserved to win..

Would request you to continue in that thread.. where all (not just scousers) can share.

here's the link

Cheers

:cheers:

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continuing from the previous post...

The local press was banned as he predicted trouble ahead. And trouble it was. Houlding suggested that Everton FC should buy Anfield and also some land he owned adjoining the ground. The price seemed high and the members said no. Although with the growing development of football and the club, the land would soon have paid for itself.

In October the same year, the on-going deadlock over this situation resulted in the vast majority of the Board and players of Everton F.C. walking out to build a new ground. Houlding explained why this situation arose in a match programme against Cliftonville in April 1893. He pointed out that he had given Everton a rent free loan until the club started to make money. If the club had gone bust he would have lost it all.

Despite making no profit in this respect, the issue that upset the members at Everton most was his plan to sell Anfield and the land adjoining, with Houlding himself profiting. He felt it was a reasonable reward for the risk he had ventured in the club for nine years. Houlding, as the ambitious businessman he was, saw a great future for the club. He wanted the club to have its own home ground and wanted them to buy land so the club could expand in due course.

Unfortunately most of the Everton FC board members failed to share his forward thinking and lacked confidence. They wanted instead a long term rent deal on all the land, but for this to be acceptable to Houlding, he wanted a rent at a price considered too high for the Club. The members reacted to that by "offering" Houlding less rent. Houlding unsurprisingly refused to accept this stating that he did not want to be dictated: "I cannot understand why a gentleman that has done so much for the club (Everton) and its members should be given such treatment".

The official split between Houlding and Everton took place on the 12th of March 1892. At a members meeting one of the opponents George Mahon, led the meeting when John Houlding unexpectedly turned up. Mahon stood up to give the club's President the chair. But surrounded by "enemies" Mr. Houlding said the famous words: "I'm here on a trial, and a criminal never takes the chair". He then left the club with 18-19 other members.
Liverpool F.C. was formed on the 15th of March 1892. It was at John Houlding's house in Anfield Road that he and his closest friends left from Everton FC, formed a new club. William.E.Barclay, a great football enthusiast, strongly suggested that they should go on with a new name: Liverpool.

Barclay had been the first secretary at Everton when they became a league club in 1888, and so in turn became the first secretary at Liverpool. Bearing in mind Barclay's suggestion, it was surprising that on 26th of January 1892 Houlding tried to form a 'new' Everton: The "Everton Football Club and Athletic Grounds Company plc" was registered in London on that date and as the 'old' Everton club was not registered as a plc Houlding had hoped to perform a weird "takeover" of Everton; stealing the name of the club in a legal way. But a meeting at the Football Council on 4th of February 1892 ruled that it could not approve membership of a new club with the same name as an existing member!

At the same time a group of Everton patriots, among them the organist from the St. Domingo's church, had made a deal to buy a piece of land north of Stanley Park. The land cost them 8,090. Four members paid 1,000 each to let the deal go through. Houlding, left with an empty ground, took the bold step of forming a new football team to play in it.

Unable keep the Everton F.C. name he then thought bigger and finally acceded to his secretary's proposal, and named his club after the entire city rather than one of its suburbs, even adopting by 1894 the City's colour of red for the playing shirts and by 1901 the Liverbird as the crest.

The majority of Everton's backroom and playing staff left for Goodison, so Liverpool FC had to be built from scratch. Fortunately one John McKenna stayed loyal to Houlding along with Barclay the Secretary. Most of the team building work was carried out by McKenna, a dynamic and personable Irishman. 'Honest' John McKenna did more than most people in English football.

He was to be a director at Anfield for 30 years, and also served the club as chairman on two occasions. He was a member of the FA Council from 1905, and he became the President of the Football League in 1910, and Vice-President of the Football Association in 1928. He also served on many different committees until he died in 1936. He was a well respected man, with an unique know-how of the game. Houlding is the founder of the club, but McKenna was the man and the brain behind early successes.

His rapid elevation to the top of English football is proof of John McKenna's abilities as a manager and administrator. With a generous loan from Houlding of 500 that was never paid back, and McKenna's know how, over a dozen players were recruited from Scotland. This led to LFC becoming known as the "Team of all the Macs" because of their surnames. However amongst the Scottish "Macs" in the early formations the goalkeeper Bill McOwen was in fact an Englishman.

Liverpool's initial application to join the Football League was rejected and so they began life in the Lancashire League. On the first of September 1892 Liverpool AFC played their first match at Anfield. The opponents were Rotherham from the Midland League in a friendly.

On the very same day Everton played their first match at Goodison on the other side of Stanley Park. The rivalry was on! Which team would the people of Liverpool support? The Liverpool directors announced to the newspapers that: "No better game will be witnessed on any of the plots in the neighbourhood". That was their message to Everton. The papers write that 'Councillor J. Houlding kicked off the match'. Liverpool won the match 7-1. McVean scored the first ever Liverpool goal early in the first half. The only disappointment on the day was that only a handful people turned up. More than 10,000 came to Goodison.

A couple of days later Liverpool played the first match in the Lancashire League. Again LFC won heavily by eight goals to nil. The match was postponed for a few hours because of a late arrival of the guest team. Again only a few hundred people witnessed this convincing win. The captain of the day, McVean, won the toss and chose to play towards Anfield Road in the first half. A tradition many Liverpool captains have followed to this day. The club's first competitive match was at home to Higher Walton on September 3rd 1892 with Liverpool yet again winning 8-0.

On 3 September 1892 Higher Walton were the opposition for the club's first competitive match and the occasion was marked by another 8-0 success.
It was the start of an excellent season and Liverpool easily took the League as well as the Liverpool District Cup. With a reserve cup secured as well Liverpool had claimed a modest 'treble'. Highly impressive for a team not even 12 months old. Everton were getting worried.
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The Beginning

When the Football League was founded in 1888, Anfield was one of League's original grounds. On September 8th 1888 the very first Saturday of League football, Anfield welcomed as visitors Accrington to play not against the 'Reds', but the 'Blues' of Everton Football Club.

The blue and white quartered shirts of Everton FC made quite a name for themselves at Anfield winning the League Championship in 1891, but this is to run ahead slightly. Both teams owe their existence to a Reverend Chambers of the then newly constructed and now, totally demolished, church - St Domingo, and to John Houlding - Tory MP and Mayor of Liverpool who ultimately caused Everton FC to leave Anfield and who created Liverpool Football Club.

St Domingo's football team was a strictly amateur affair created amid the belief that young lads could better be kept on the path of religious well-being through a healthy passion for competitive team games. After only a year or so of enthusiastic play in Stanley Park, they renamed themselves Everton Football Club in honour of the location of their founding church.

The St Domingo's team met however not at Church, but the Queen's Head Hotel in Village Street adjacent to "Ye Anciente Everton Toffee House". From this Everton F.C. gained their curious nickname of "The Toffees". In adopting the name Everton, the team ensured that they would permanently struggle to be located with confidence by those from outside of the city and lead to Royalty asking "Tell me, from which part of the country is the city of Everton?" nearly a century later.

The fledgling Everton played in a number of locations but settled in a greenfield site between Anfield Road and Walton Breck Road. So was born one of the great names in world football - Anfield. The team prospered and became financially sound with astute guidance from their President Mr John Houlding. John Houlding was a brewer, local council member and later Mayor of Liverpool.

Despite this he has become a largely forgotten figure in the city, although a bronze plaque outside the Directors' Lounge in Anfield and a fine oil portrait hanging within the Club museum preserve his likeness.

For a man responsible for the development of Everton and the creation of Liverpool Football Club, it is amazing how little he is remembered. There are however a few landmarks in the area where Houlding was known as "King John of Everton". The very short 'Houlding Street' has on it's corner the 'Sandon' pub. This pub was once owned by Houlding and he led many meetings of Everton Football Club from here in the bowls pavilion that existed to the rear. The place was also used as a dressing room by the players for many years. Both Everton and later Liverpool football teams were first photographed in front of this bowls pavilion.

It can be questioned whether Everton would have been one of the founding members of the Football League in 1888 without Houlding's assistance. He brought Everton to Anfield in 1884. They previously rented a little field in Priory Road, north of Stanley Park, but they were unwelcome because of the noisy crowds on match days.

So Houlding went to his friend and fellow brewer, Mr. Orrell, who owned a place in Anfield Road and conducted the business to get a new home ground. But it was from this point on that criticism of the club President started to grow from some members of the Everton board, building up to a crisis in 1892.
It was not the rent alone that annoyed the board members. Houlding also wanted only his sparkling ales to be sold at the ground, and he of course profited very considerably from this arrangement. However it was still John Houlding that helped the club out when they need money to buy players and rebuild the ground.

The Sandon's use as dressing room was an arrangement that really only suited Houlding as he again benefited from his players drinking his products. A letter in the Liverpool Echo in January 1892 suggested that Houlding didn't want the club to move out of the pub.
The writer says: "It's a disgrace that at a big club such as Everton, players have to walk through hordes of people on match days."

The conflict on how the club should be managed and conduct its business came to a to a head in 1889-90. The rent at Anfield went up again. Everton FC paid 100 in 1884. By 1889-90 Houlding was charging them 250. Houlding had many practical and realistic solutions on how they could solve this situation. One was to transform Everton into a plc. On the 15th of September 1891 he chaired a meeting about the issue.

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HISTORY @ LIVERPOOL

If it wasn't for one man, Liverpool Football Club would never have been born. When Everton left Anfield in a dispute over rent in 1892, club chairman John Houlding stayed behind along with a handful of supporters and just three first-team players. But he was determined to see football continue at the ground. He formed a new club from scratch, chose the name Liverpool and created a legend.
Even John Houlding couldn't have predicted how successful it would become. More than 100 years on, no English club can match the LiverpoolFC roll of honour; League Champions 18 times, FA Cup winners seven times, League Cup winners seven times, European Cup winners five times and UEFA Cup winners three times.

When it is completed, the History channel will chart the rise and rise of Liverpool FC to the very summit of the England game, from the struggles of the early years right up to Gerard Houllier's historic treble in 2001. This channel will recall glorious domestic victories and European triumphs and reflect on the tragedies of Heysel and Hillsborough.
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