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*Description* The purpose of this group is to oppose the proposed reservation by UPA government in higher education and Private Job Sector. This is a highly retrograde step taken by this government. In this age of competetiveness, our Indian ...
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i think i am not able to ignite the minds of pune people..

moderator kindly close this thread...


:) thanks for notifying although I came to know about the real purpose of this thread much later

Do you use Search it would help you better rather than starting redundant threads 😃
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i think i am not able to ignite the minds of pune people..

moderator kindly close this thread...

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THE CENTRE has proposed to reserve 27 per cent of the seats in centrally financed institutes including IITs and IIMs thereby ensuring that half the seats in these prestigious institutions will be decided on factors other than merit.
The proposed move comes at a time when brand IIT and IIM is getting increasing global recognition and the government owes an explanation to the students of the nation.
What effect did the 50+ years of reservation have on society?
If the move has not yielded the desired results why should the so-called `forward classes' face the consequence even after decades of reservation?
The architects of reservation envisaged a time frame to gradually phase out this practice. What steps has the government taken in this regard?
Is it justified to now victimise the forward classes to uplift the OBCs, SCs and STs? Should the FCs be trampled upon to set right the oppression of the SC/ST/OBCs? How can the present generation be made to pay for a fault that clearly is not theirs?
Does an eye-for-an-eye approach make sense in this globalised world where nations are burying historical animosities to forge economic and energy ties. Can we afford to be a prisoner of the past?
Should the empowerment of a community be only at the expense of the growth of another community?

Making FCs backward


What is the guarantee that the move will not make the present FCs backward in a few years time? Will the government then bring another round of reservation? What is the end to this vicious cycle?
How is the government going to prevent the cream among the SC/ST/OBCs reaping the fruits of this latest round of reservation?
What plans does the government have to prevent the poor among the FCs finding themselves on the wrong side of the rule?
What is the need to reserve seats in both education and employment? Does the government think a quota educated student cannot find a job without reservation? Is it justified to shut the door on the FCs at every level?
Can any politician come up with convincing answers to these basic questions?
Those in favour of the move vociferously argue that 50 years of reservation will not undo the decades of oppression. They also contest the fact that reservation will dilute the quality of education. If so, why not the government have reservation in army?
Historical injustices have been perpetrated the world over and no society can develop if it continues to simmer with discontent. If Japan can raise itself from ashes to build a nation in 50 years why aren't we able to empower a society in the same 50 years? The answer lies in the lack of resolve, not ability.
If the intention is to keep a section of society underdeveloped and induce it by promising affirmative action for the sake of votes, no amount of reservation will liberate the oppressed.
It is baffling the government has chosen a top down approach to address the issue when primary education is in doldrums. Pressing issues such as high dropout rates, inadequate infrastructure, lack of teachers somehow manage to constantly evade the eyes of the government which I assume must be blinded by the fact that not many SCs/STs and OBCs get into IITs and IIMs. How will they when the issue is not addressed at the root?

Dropout rate


A study by UNESCO this year says on an average 53 per cent of SCs/STs drop out before they are aged 10! And the government is proposing to reserve seats in IIM to uplift them.
The government should first consider building basic infrastructure to ensure students get quality school education. Government run schools must become models worthy of emulation. It should encourage enrolment with measures such as subsidising fees, travel to school, free textbooks. It must act proactively to bring down the dropout rate.
This is real empowerment. Only this will guarantee self esteem and offset the social imbalance. Funds can be mobilised by taxing the cream of society.
That people continue to pay 2 per cent education cess proves their willingness to contribute. The onus is on the government to utilise it effectively.
Reservation as a tool to restore the social balance can cause irrevocable damage to the social fabric of the nation and further divide society along caste lines. Reservation has served as a convenient shortcut to reach the corridors of power. Though there are people who need reservation, it definitely cannot degenerate to a free-for-all encompassing 50 per cent of society. Let a chunk of the seats be set apart for those socially disadvantaged.
IITs and IIMs are temples of education that command international respect.
Their students represent the face of modern India. Let us not `mandalise'
education and vandalise young lives.










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Guys,
I think to oppose reservations effectively, it is essential that we
become aware of the ugly facts regarding that. Basically, we should
know what we are opposing. Through this post, I want to tell you
some basic facts about this stupid policy and why it is so dangerous.

Currently, there are 2 categories of reservation exist one for
SC/STs ( 22.5%) and the other for OBCs (27.5%). This is applicable
to all government jobs and almost all educational institutions
except IIT/IIMs and other central universities.

SC/ST reservation:

SC/STs are the people who are called as untouchables/Dalits. It was
they who were subjected to caste discrimination and were the
downtrodden sections of the society and they form roughly 22% of the
Indian population. After independence in 1947, everybody thought
that this section has to be brought to the mainstream and one idea
proposed was reservation. Many of us may not be aware, that this
reservation proposal was vehemently opposed by Dr. Ambedkar who was
the supreme leader for SC/STs. His argument was reservation policy
would in the long term be disastrous for the SC/STs as even an IAS
officer coming through reservation policy will not be respected by
his own colleagues. But other political leaders persuaded him to
accept the reservation policy only for the ten years. So, according
to the constitution even SC/ST reservation should have been removed
around 1960.

Though many did not accept this reservation concept, they agreed
that SC/STs needed some sort of affirmative action. Also, the
reservation was only 22% and hence 8 out of 10 jobs and educational
seats were open to others. Hence this did not hurt much the
opportunities of others. It is another story that even this SC/ST
reservation is cornered by the most elite section of the people and
had made it meaningless.

One key point to note here is that there can be almost no addition
to SC/ST list apart from untouchables.

OBC Reservation:

This is the most contentious and ridiculous aspect of the whole
reservation concept. When Janata Party came to power in 1977, it
constituted a backward classes commission under the chairmanship of
Mr. B P Mandal. The mandate to Mandal was to identify the classes
(not castes) that were not SC/STs but were still marginilised.

Here started the stupidity or genius of Mr. Mandal. He deliberately
assumed backward classes meant backward castes. But he faced a
major hurdle as there was no caste census taken in India after
1931. So Mandal took the 1931 census as the basis for all his
recommendations. (Yes, the 1931 CENSUS). He developed some 11
parameters to identify the backwardness of each caste. Some of the
parameters are the literacy rates, access to drinking water and
toilets etc. Each of the 11 parameters had some weightage.

In 1977, Mandal applied these 11 parameters to the census data of
1931. Some data of 1931 census are:
o In 1931 census, about 85% of the so called upper castes were
illiterate and poor, when about 90% India's population was
illiterate and poor.
o In 1931 census, about 90% of the so called upper castes did
not have access to toilets, when about 95% of India's population had
no access to toilets.
So based on 1931 census, the condition of the so called upper castes
were almost the same as that of the remaining population. If at all
any affirmative action was required, it should also include 85% of
the upper castes.

Mandal also assumed that the condition prevailed in 1931 continued
exactly in 1977, after partition, after independence and after all
the changes happened between 1931 and 1977. Think of it, if a
company makes a marketing strategy today based on some 1940
document, how will it be? Will it not be categorized a crass
document? But Mandal commission report is exactly the same.

Even after extrapolation of all the data, all the stupidity, Mandal
found that only about 10-15% of the population were marginalized and
whose condition were similar to that of SC/STs. But he was smart
enough to see through the impact. If you say, only 10-15%
population apart from SC/STs deserve reservation, the total reserved
category become 32 35% of India's population. That would leave
about 65% of the population out of the reservation pie and hence
will be opposed politically. So to make his document politically
acceptable, he simply included all the castes (3743 castes) possible
and said that 52% of the population apart from SC/STs should be
categorized as OBCs and taking the total reserved category to about
75% of the total population. And thus today's OBCs include all the
powerful castes Lingayats, Vokkaligas, Devars, Yadavs, Kurmis
etc. These castes were never subjected to any social discrimination
and are some of the wealthiest and powerful sections of the country.

He essentially created an artificial group called OBCs. He
neutralized his stupidity, unscientific approach by aligning the
report with the vested interests of the majority of the
population. Thus Mandal Commission report created a political
monster which no political party can oppose.

In one stroke, Mandal also destroyed the concept of affirmative
action and made the country into two warring factions - reserved and
general category.

Unlike, SC/ST, OBC list is not a static list. Any caste can be
categorized as OBC. Hence, frequently we find political parties
promising OBC status to a community. Jats of Rajasthan were given
OBC status just before one of the assembly elections to vote for
BJP. Every year certain castes are being added to the OBC list. It
just depends on the electoral strength of the community to get the
OBC status or not.

Let us see some examples of how this reservation policy is
implemented at the ground level:

There are about 3 lacs applicants for IAS where there are
only 1000 vacancies every year. A general category guy who gets 501
st rank will be denied the seat but a OBC who may even hold 50000th
rank or even 150000th rank will be offered that seat if the OBC
quota is not filled up. Invariably, that 50000th rank holder from
OBC category will be very wealthy and be of extremely high social
status
Assume, there are 100 vacancies in a government department.
In a particular year 50 seats will be reserved. If out of this 50
reserved seats only 30 gets filled up and 20 remain vacant, then in
the next year 70 seats of the 100 seats will be reserved to fill the
backlog of reserved seats. In a few years, only 5-6 of the 100
seats will be available for general category though the reservation
is only 50%. Thus the general category is penalized even for the
non-availability of the candidates from the reserved category.

It is this type of reservation which the government to bring about
in IIT/IIMs, AIIMS, other Central Universities and in private
sector.

Regards

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I mignt not be form Pune but I guess the matter is of equal importance to all of us...so here's my suggestion....say Kudos to Ayn Rand and make
Atlas Shrug....Lets all stop carrtying the load of the non competant people. Merit matters and lets prove.
What say!


ashish i understand ur feelings...and it would do if u use small letters either...

i invited pune people so that we can meet at some place and show our resistance...
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come out with ideas and ways so that we should show our protests...

all puneians r invited...............


I mignt not be form Pune but I guess the matter is of equal importance to all of us...so here's my suggestion....say Kudos to Ayn Rand and make
Atlas Shrug....Lets all stop carrtying the load of the non competant people. Merit matters and lets prove.
What say!
Commenting on this post has been disabled by the moderator.

come out with ideas and ways so that we should show our protests...

all puneians r invited...............

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The purpose of this group is to oppose the proposed reservation by UPA government in higher education and Private Job Sector. This is a highly retrograde step taken by this government. In this age of competetiveness, our Indian Economy will die down if it compormises on quality.
We are not against welfare of Backward people but first there must proper recognition criterion and therafter focus should be there on making them more competitive instead of pitchforking them directly into colleges and jobs.

lets have positive and peaceful representation...

those who r from PUNE R INVITED TO DISCUSS THE MODALITIES...

IDEAS INVITED...
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