Internet Privacy issues

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Have you ever been affected by internet privacy issues? Being an online community, there are many issues involved with privacy on the forums. Many users, esp. females, PM me about being stalked by fraandship PMs. Many of the users don't like ...
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About Internet Privacy
Since everyone is getting internet savy, I opt for the paranoid way. I know there is some track of me everywhere.

Before I remember having an orkut profile that said a very little about me. Now atleast orkut has the option of privacy. Wherein you can block out your profile and pics of yourself from prying eyes. But there are so many with a fetish for "networking". I agree I have been quite taken with the concept. But I do filter out who I add. A major chunk of my list comes from this site, and it would be safe to say that any member from this site comes with a basic level of maturity.

People take this to the extreme - adding anyone and everyone. One case I remember is the kid who was taken hostage and met with a sad end.

I dont say its all bad - orkut has allowed me to get in touch with some long lost friends of mine. But, user discretion is paramount.

And sample this, I have a Facebook account and I find it a privacy nightmare. With orkut you pretty much know whats happening. Facebook leaves me flustered. So I decided to take the easy way out and delete the account for want of not dealing with the clutter. To my surprise, Facebook just "deactivates" your account - with all your data still on their servers. So where is the privacy in that? I would rather have my privacy than have some convenience.

Children and the Internet ( also some reference to sex )

Well we have a great tool for kids to use. And they should. After all what are parents and teachers for? To educate the kids. Fact of the matter is, there are a lot of scary things in this world - but we cant allow children to live in fear. What we can do is educate them.

And that leads up to educating the masses in sex. As Murty said we are a sex starved nation. I would tend to agree - but I would also say we are a Sex stupid nation.

As for porn , it forms a major chunk of the internet.

And porn is the best sex education we got.

Cheers.
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But is it fair? Are we vulnerable to being shafted because we hold a certain opinion? What are the boundaries for bloggers?

Personally, I dont have a clue as to how much freedom I have with holding my opinion and being vocal about it. With the amount of diversity, we are to be politically correct and tolerant. But how much outrage and opinionated can one be? Looking at precedents - with works of fiction (books,paintings,movies,etc) getting the censor chop; I would say I am pretty much a mute spectator. Freedom of speech is a farce where a politician can say whatever he wants (cough raj cough) and get away with it and a common man does not seem to have this privilege.

the Indian government has royally failed to understand the Internet, especially the user-generated media.

Agreed. The government still operates in British times. I remember with Google Earth - many people had unrestricted access to India. And it was the Military that first voiced concerns about the program. The US government blackened out their areas of high security but Google was irresponsible (or so its assumed). How could a corporation not take Government approval? And more importantly why didnt the GOI do anything about this? Again, the government doesnt seem to realize how this could have gone horribly wrong for us (or maybe it already has).


the police arrested Baazee.com's founder Avnish Bajaj - Orkut user but let Orkut go scot free.

Any user driven site have such problems. The terms and conditions pretty much sets free the website. However, that is confusing why was baazee in trouble and not orkut?

But I do feel that it is the user that is primarily responsible. I remember this incident with Yahoo. Now Yahoo Chat had this option of having user generated rooms. Now there were some unscrupulous users who violated the TOC and put the whole website and its users into disrepute. Some user generated rooms were indulging in paedophilic content; and somethings even worse. Yahoo had no option but to let the user rooms go.

I feel that the internet is a great tool and should be used accordingly. Generalising on a few bad apples doesnt make the orchard bad.

And if the government starts browsing the web - we will go the chinese way.

After all, we have seen how the ministry of information and broadcasting think. Cut first, impose it later.

Cheers.
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Great points here. I'd divert the attention of this thread to a completely different aspect of Internet Privacy not addressed yet in this thread.

A couple of years back, the government blocked the whole of Blogger.com, Wordpress.com. Typepad.com and a few more blogging sites because it had content showing the Gandhi family in poor light.

Check this one out - IndlawNews

While on one hand there are issues of safety from anti-social elements on the WWW, on the other hand there is the issue of privacy vs Freedom of Speech on the net.

The example in the news item above might be extreme So let's talk about a possible scenario, where tomorrow someone posts a bad review against Eye Eye Pee Em on Pagalguy. Knowing their past reputation, they will most probably go ahead and sue Pagalguy, or get the police to force Pagalguy to reveal the poster's IP address and identity. Incidentally, that is the reason why typing this b-school's name gives you a **** in posts.

But is it fair? Are we vulnerable to being shafted because we hold a certain opinion? What are the boundaries for bloggers?

In my opinion, the Indian government has royally failed to understand the Internet, especially the user-generated media. They don't have a policy for blogs, social networks, Google Earth type sites, auction sites, etc. There is no clarity whether the website owner or the poster is responsible for content.

Few years back, the police arrested Baazee.com's founder Avnish Bajaj for a porn MMS clip posted on his auction site. In the latest news item, they arrested the Orkut user but let Orkut go scot free. This is clearly a dichotomous and confused approach.

The government seriously needs to surf the web more. It should get an expert panel to advise on the new web trends for incorporation into Cyber Laws, with representation from business heads of social networks, blogging sites, etc.

Cheers,
Apurv

I come in peace. Take me to your leader. http://www.twitter.com/apurv
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I opine that everything comes with pros and cons.The difference is all in the mind, the way we want to use anything.

Internet no doubt today is one of most fastest, reliable source of information.Everything under the sun is just a click away.Smart people is something we associate with usage of internet.But are we using our smartness in right way??

Cyber crime is outcome of our over smartness.Govt has clearly laid out IT laws, but its implementation is sleeping somewhere in hybernation.illicit usage has been increasing at an alarming rate.dere must be strict implementation of laws and policies must be adhered by.

Regards

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Actually Gnr mentioned a very valid point in the last part of his post. Now guys, one straightforward question. Will you in real life, walk upto a girl standing alone in a bus stand, extend your hand and say will you do "friendship" with me? Answer is probably no, assuming that you are not a shameless roadside Romeo . So, second question, Why is it that whenever you see a name remotely resembling that of a girls, online, you simply go bonkers and ask for "friendship" and stuff like that? Is the word "friendship" here being used to replace some other word?

Login to yahoo using a user id that sounds slightly feminine and look at the kind of messages you get :huh:. So I am not surprised when India is actually projected as a Sex Starved nation. It is because majority of men here are highly perverted. And they become more so when they go online, cause there they can choose to remain anonymous, if things don't work out. So that brings me to another question, when a group of friends visit a cyber cafe, can you tell me which site will they try to access first? I think most of us know the answer , and the answer is true in 95% of the cases.

Hence it doesn't matter if we have a million cyber laws. The bottomline is, if the mentality of the people doesn't change, we have made no progress at all. The internet is a boon. Use it properly and you have a wealth of information at your disposal. Unfortunately, if you take a survey, you will see that majority of the users access porn sites more than they access wikipedia.

Like Gnr says, the medium is not wrong, it is the devil in us. I would like to end with Gnr's words here ...too good.. "Work on bringing the devil to the right path and the medium will become your strength."

Cheers..

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First of all, should children have access to the computer at such a tender age? There is no real need or rush to do this. Why do private schools need to use a computer along air-conditioned class rooms to teach? It is plain and simple. Education has become a business. To add to that, there are people who never think twice before admitting their child in such schools by paying such huge amounts. Instead, parents should admit their children to schools which at-least care for imparting moral & social values in their students. Coming to the original topic under discussion, there are lots of games/toys etc., a child can play with in the market. So, why the need of a computer? Actually, the need for the above doesn't arrive at all when the parents can spend some quality time with the child everyday.

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A very well choosen topic indeed :thumbsup: Also a topic that is far more complex to come to a single solution, and also varies from individual to culture to country.

Internet Privacy or for that matter Privacy in personal life is anytime essential.

Nowadays, Internet access is available to school going kids right from 1st class, by the time they reach class 5, they know more than their parents about the net, how to install softwares, how to find songs/videos, see movies online, avatars, chatting and what not!! Though in one way it is increasing their knowledge, but it comes at a cost, and that cost sometimes is costlier than the good it brings along. This is my personal experience,as my cousin in class 6 knows all this already, and there is nothing much parents can do about it, be it allowing net only in their presence, or locking a few sites, as the kid already knows enough, thanks to the parents who have already given him access to net at such an early stage. Say for orkut, scrapbook and pics can be locked so that someone not in frens list cant see what is in there, there is an unending list of workarounds available on the net.:nono:

We hear many cases where School going kids falling prey to some anonymous contact they made through internet. So, in this case, it becomes essential to look into what he/she is doing, sometimes anonymously, and more than that guiding the kids about what not to do at internet citing real life examples to make them understand it better, else they are prone to take it lightly. Of course kids are kids afterall!!

There are many more aspects of Internet Privacy, hope many of them will be touched upon in subsequent discussions on this thread!

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Internet privacy is obviously a growing concern, in today's era. With friends, relatives, acquaintances, and god knows who all tuned into one's life on the net, it does become tough to handle things sometimes.

Luckily, on PaGalGuy, I don't think there have been too many such instances of stalking or harrassment. And the cases that have come to light, have been reprimanded separately, which is great. :thumbsup:

As far as orkut and facebook go, there are enough idiots floating around with 'Hai deer....wana make fraandship with meee?' messages. In fact, there is/was a chap on PG, who I added on orkut, and he duly sent out 'fraandship' requests to all the girls on my list. Quite embarrassing, to say the least...

I guess social networking sites need to tighten things up, by strong moderating of such users. Maybe, they can record infractions against IPs/users, and suspend accounts after a certain number of such infractions have been recorded. Not too sure if this will work, given the number of users that these sites have, though.

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Have you ever been affected by internet privacy issues?

Being an online community, there are many issues involved with privacy on the forums. Many users, esp. females, PM me about being stalked by fraandship PMs. Many of the users don't like anonymous web browsing and become victims of stalking. Though such issues are more frequent in social networking websites like orkut, but PaGaLGuY.com also faces similar issues. The solution of this here can be very simple, like adding the particular stalker in your ignore list or may be you can change your settings and login under invisible mode

Internet privacy involves even more family issues. During a tea break yesterday, some three colleagues in my office who are in their late 30s were discussing about orkut. A part of the little conversation between them is here:

Person A: Hey, are you on orkut?
Person B: No, but I know about it.
Person A: Its really freak there. My daughter who is in fifth standard has her whole school class there as a community and they discuss so many things which I was surprised to see.
Person C: Yeah, even my kid has joined some bad communities and I keep a check on him through an anonymous login on what all is he doing.
Person B: Oh! I really need to join this soon and keep a check on what is my child developing into, since he has access to nearly everything on the internet. The situation can go out of hand if we dont keep a check on this.

This was really interesting to hear - Such things might create more users on a particular website, give new advertising opportunities for new age groups, poor kids might be asked to delete their Ids or Net Nanny might be installed to block these websites, this might give business to some internet spying agents, etc etc

Do your parents, family elders and others keep a check on what all you post & do here? What do you have to say on issues about Internet Privacy?

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