I beg to differ here
I didn't like the interview at all and don't even know with absolute clarity why?
Just that I thought that I shudn't have read it before goin to a b school dis year.

too much flowery language,too much pretence and too much negativity. The interviewee makes me feel that doin an MBA is a very downtrodden job and discourages people who are yet to go to a b school.

The discussion is abt why one should choose HR. So, it is basically to help those who are not really sure about what specialisation to pursue.

I am sorry, but i dont think the college where u graduate from decides what role you will play 10 yrs or maybe even 5 yrs after u leave the college.

Not all IIM/ Harvard/ISB grads are doing exceptionally well.
So, passing a sweeping statement like do ur HR specialisation from IIM, TISS,XL only else u are not likely to end up doing a decent/ well paying job is uncalled for.

And yeah, HR is a high paying job for most (not a few). Heard of Reliance HR services? google it if u want to.
Ma Foi? And these are not isolated cases at all.

What are all industry leaders cribbing abt the most these days? Talent crunch.
Who helps u get the talent? HR team.. which is trained to meet these challenges.
And yes, the purpose of MBA is not necessarily to end up with the highest package at the end of the placement process, but something more than that. I am sure u know that too.

Most ppl crib abt their work.
S/W engineers crib, those into manufacturing crib, etc.
So if some HR guys dont look happy it is not surprising.
I have not seen a single HR professional cribbing abt their work, irrespective of what college they have passed out from.
Infact, in an IT company, they seem to be the happiest lot ... ( and maybe that's why the unhappy s/w guys target them even more with 'inko aur kuch kaam nahi hai' type comments).

@All
What is the discussion abt numbers all abt? Is there a placement crisis for ppl specialised in HR?
I find it absurd. How many CEOs does a company have? Does that affect the importance of the role?A company will recruit as many as it needs.
A lot of sweeping statements are being made which will confuse those who want to consider HR as a specialisation. Can we avoid it?

I don't want to discuss whatever points u have raised but u r neither qualified nor at a position to call anyone's point of view absurd" and i have heard of reliance and mafoi, after all i am also an educated and aware person

I gave my points and they were being critically analysed by others also but not in this language , try to luk at the posts of sumit who despite disagreeing with most of what i have to say ,says it in such a way that nobody feels offended.

we are here to contribute watever we can so that it can help people decide if they are confused, no opinion is rite, wrong or ABSURD,, it's just an opinion

I dont understand wat is the point you want to make by giving such figures. This figures are there for every department in any organistaion who are supporting the main function. If a company is is prouction, then Finance ratio to the sales / marketing / and Production team would be the same or even lower.

First things first, to excel in one field you should be knowledgable enough, have the capability, a good background. I hope you agree with the same.

If MBA from IMT HR doesnt fetch u a good job as XL or TISS will fetch u , then same is the case for MBA in Fin from IMT G as cmpared to IIM's. Hence such comparisions are generic to all specialisations and not specifically related to HR.

I think we are digressing from the main gist of the thread. It was all about the various aspects which one should look into the course before joining HR , and not just the salary

Cheers

MK

the only point i was trying to make is that if you consider broad areas of management education namely marketing,finace,HR,ops,systems etc

u will find that among all sorts of companies( not just technology, production or anything else) the number of HR people required to run a buisness is a small fraction of almost all oder specialisations. Don't take any specific field, talk about the whole industry in general and that is where being exceptional in ur domain(if u r a HR guy) and to be from nothin but top 1-2 cllgs fetches u d kind of job that u deserve. this is d reason why most of the HR executives do boring/redundant/clerical work because they are from unknown cllgs and hence they act as basis of opinion formulation on HR by us.

Some top of the line people in HR who are actually from top of the line institutes earn very well and do the kind of wrk that is considered good, but again their numbers are very low.

My only point is that if today u are sitting down to decide where i shud go, fin,mktg,hr etc etc..one thing u need to take care is if u want to go to HR , nothing else than XL,TISS or maybe IIM;s will do,,,while fin/mktg etc are fields where a lot depends on demand also and not just ur cllg or ur competence

@Sumit

I am sorry but i feel that we are actually replying to the intention of a person and not a viewpoint.
Let's stick to what IImKiller said in the closing comments in his post, there is absolutely nothin in that post to groan at it....infact it does gives a lot of data.

and of course there cannot be a statistic for every thing or there can be ,,but it needs time to find out,, i hope people will post them soon

As far as ur point containing one HR for 25-30 people and one technical manager for 20-25 people and hence no difference.........let me tell u , i thing u hav got ur stats wrong here....or else I hope u r not comparing those executives to technical manager, plss compare only HR managers to technical managers and my personal exprience of the two companies wre

one high end HR manager for 600 people
2 HR managers(one director, one senior manger) for 400+ people

that makes it 3 for 1000,,, or 1 for 333

i say again that 2 may not be sample worth but it does gives an indication of number of HR required in technology companies..


Please don't get offended,,, it's a gr88 initiative u have started but luk at each point objectively and provide a crrct picture...i know that HR has had a lot of brickbats , all of which they don't deserve but let's not do the same thing again but in favor of d profession now




IF anyone loves any profession,,believe me he/she is the lukiest one to know that they love to do a prticiular kind of wrk,, they shud just go ahead and do that irrespective of wat are d chances,,wat is the pay and all that crap......but present things as they are .
u r one of the luky ones to be knowing wat u want to do and i an sure that u will be a gr88 HR proffesssional one day.....i just wish more people have that kind of clarity abt wat they want to do but before that they shud know wat the realities are

Himanshu, as far as the 'inka kaam hi kya hai' comment goes, all juniors make it towards their seniors. People say this about their managers, managers say this about VPs, and VPs say it about the CEO. Does that mean I'll stop trying to be a manager, a VP, or a CEO? I guess not!

And does that mean I'll keep trying to change people's perceptions? I guess not! It only depicts a person's narrow-mindedness if he/she looks down upon a profession for this reason.

Any company is not running a charity, right? It wants profits. Period. Do you really think they'd hire employees 'jinka kaam hi kya hai'? I guess not!

@Vindsome
Currently, I am facing a scenario similar to what you have described. After having resigned, my salary has been accidentally miscalculated, resulting in my not getting paid during my notice period. I have been through rage, disillusionment, frustration, and a gamut of other emotions in the last few weeks. But, I'm still getting support from HR. Someone or the other has been following up almost daily on the case. Such experiences reinforce my faith in the system and the people who man it. :thumbsup:

I hope u got that i wasn't trying to advocate those things , i was just putting across what people here feel , i too think that they are wrong but such is the reputation of HR (even though wrong ) that it acts a a great demotivator for me and ofcourse money acted as the final nail in the coffin

A very interesting thread indeed...first some first hand info....
my first job was with a telecom embedded product company, high tech technology firm.
Company 1
Employees -550
Total HR employees: 4 (one VP , 2 senior executives, 1 junior executive)
I happened to see salary slips of all of them (don't ask me how, i used my computer skillls to exploit a loophole in the intranet of the cmpny, i seriously regret it as it's a classic non-ethical thing to do..but i was really interested in knowing wat dese people earn)
2 senior executives and one junior executive were earning less than me:shock:(i had 1+ year of experience,BTech computer science with 20% appraised salary over wat i was offered at the campus)..., these people were MBA-HR from unheard cllgs with 8+ yrs in the same company:dontgeti:......VP was earning huge, his earnings were only lower than CEO,CFO, VP-ENgg and few other people.


Company 2
Employees -400+
HR - One Senior Director, One senior manager , 2 staffing specialists, 3 contracted employees.

company profile same as the first one, i didn't try to break into intranet but i know that apart from top two designations , oder people are earning lesser again .

Now, please don't rush to conclusions here, my post so far is only about giving some first hand info......my points mite be criticised on two grounds

1. I talked of only technology comapnies where HR's role is supposedly most insignificant.
2. 2 is not a sample size worth deriving any conclusions from.


My two cents on this is that any good earning HR (if u want to earn comparable to MARK,FIN people) will be one for atleast 100 professionals for other fields.
That is,
1.for an IB, commercial bank etc if they hire 50 fin proff, 50 marketing proff for various profiles , they will hire 1 HR person to take care of dem.
2. FMCG, consulting will hire maybe 1.5 HR proffessionals for every 50 marketing proffessionals.
3. Technology firms will hire 1 HR for 150 engineers

I hope everybody is getting where this low pay , ultimate thankless part of the HR job comes from .
If you want to earn decent u have to do exceptionally well, if u as a HR professional is given good compensation, 100 of your colleagues will be given same compensation in fin/mkts profiles.
If intake of total MBA's in a year is say 1000, there will hardly be 10 HR's in there (pleasse mind that these 10 HR's will be earning equal/greater than there fin/mktg counterparts), for routine HR jobs , there will be lot more vacancies but i am sure nobody reading this thread wud lik to think of doing that job(they get arnd 10-25K per month and job profile is better left unsaid)


So, i hope i have driven my first point across, HR is no less imp. than anything else but since it is the cost center of the organisations and the nature of the job is such that HR professionals will always be required in miniscule numbers as compared to fin/mktg or even ops profiles, the importance of HR is always underestimated

Also, it is a well established fact that once any organisation runs into losses , HR people are the first ones to be laid off and HR people are hired only when organisation is mature enuff, it has enuff cash flows etc etc, there is no concept of HR in a startup..... that maybe indicates that it is considered the most redundant department without which any organisation can function if not grow and develop.



Now, these were only my thoughts/doubts ..plss don't get offended.

Another thing is that I have always been interested in HR mainly because of
1. I feel I am gifted enuff to read and judge people better than most
2. I can understand people
3. I have good verbal skills.
4. I see myself as a motivational speaker somewhere down the line
5. I think HR requires least amount of brains and reasoning and it will be peaceful as far as using ur mental faculties is concerned( i know it's sad but i am one of those chill types, i don't want much load at any point in my carreer)

My mind went off from HR not beacuse i know for a fact that i have to be simply exceptionally performing and top of the line in HR to be paid decently but beacuse of the way techology people(specially engg) treat HR. I mean i shudn't be using those words here but almost all my colleagues have very bad things to say,,,, wen someone lags behind in his or her work , they say ,,apply in HR -- u will excel.......or somethin lik "inhe kaam hi kya hai, muft ki kahte hain ye log"" ( i strictly do not endorse these views)

Please don't misunderstand me but i thot that amidst such good discussion people shud know the real opinions that atleast technology firm employees have about HR as a profession. and this is what puts me off.....i know i can be labelled as somebody whose decisions are based on oders but still with that kind of image and respect among people in your organisation ,i can't think of becoming an HR professional.....

I sincerely hope and pray that people here help me in turning arnd my thots and gimme courage to pursue wat i lik

i am quiet surprised at 734 final offers, i think this news shud be confirmed with multiple sources

470 calls for 240 seats were given last year.....734 for 330 seem to be a lot of calls...that mite translate to no waitlist movement as happened with IIM-K last year .,,,,though for the sake of waitliseted people i hope it isn't so

Although Rohit has done the job, it would still like to clarify myself. I think I delayed a bit in posting on "All I wanted to say about CAT". People go through it and then PM me for further clarifications.

The name is Amit Agarwal.

No, there is not. Again, I reiterate that go thru my CAT journey, the link is in my signature, and all your apprehensions, doubts, botherations will be put into rest.

I dont remember a long chat happening Mr. Himanshu. AFAIR, it was more to do with your IIML interview and Malay Ray classes and discussions.

Are you sure, I said ANY IIM???!!! Dude, you seriously need to work on your memory.

On that day, I had requested you not on post on PG about me. Had you remembered that,you would have never posted about me attending IIM interviews this year on this very thread. I PMed you to edit ur post. Which u eventually did...thanks so much..but with the reason - "AS REQUESTED" GOD..that was insane, my friend!!!
Was I??!! Maybe....but give me one person who is not
Thanks so much I would have been happier if I was not misquoted.

Any person who still has any doubts/botherations/apprehensions/losing sleep about me leaving FMS and going to IIMC is requested/pleaded/notified hereby that please PM me (i.e. send me a Private Message) for the same. To PM me, click on the username and a menu will dropdown. Click on Send a private message to amitnsitian and move ahead :)

Let this thread remain for what purpose it is opened for :)

Cheers,

Amit Agarwal

i guess i do end up upsetting people on FMS thread alot which is a exception in my case............
in this case, i just shared the info that i had witout taking names but i guess my choice of words again caused people getting hurt

As far as my memory is concerned, usually it's pretty decent, although i cannot say with 100% certainity now that i remember evrything crrctly since u seem to be quiet sure of certail things which u said/not said

wat i do remember is that PG didn't crop up in our discussion at all, maybe u talked abt it wit some oder guy

i agree that i shud not post my conclusions about anybody(abt u being tense) on a public forum for which i sincerely apologise to this forum

Since i never thot that u talked about PG with me, i put up a genuine question to u on the froum divulging that u actually attended K interview, subsequently wen u Pm'ed me to remove that info i did that immediately and put the comment "as requested" almost naturally and spontaneously

I remeber u using phrases lik "ARe u out of ur mind" in the pm to me ,, i was hurt but still thot that my post mite potentially harm u and hence removed it...about my being "insane" in the choice of words which i use in editing the post , i don't think u r anybody to judge that

Anyways, i do realise that i have posted somthings which i shudn't have and i am sorry for that, just that i will never use such language/phrases for any puy at alll and i wud appreciate that u undrstand that u need to atleast restrain urself in this regard

My sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused.

hey..
there is 1 thing that is really bothering me.. i dont wanna take names here but a second year student from FMS has got thro IIM C, n he is leaving FMS.. is there so much of a diff bween IIM C n FMS that sum1 thinks of leaving even after completing half his MBA??Seniors cud u pls answer this.. thank u

not required

Can nyone tell me when is the IIM L PGP session starting this year and how much is the total fee for the program?
Thanks in advance!

dat's an important question
@seniors
1. please let us know about the total fees
2. i have heard than pre joining meets are held at various cities, will it be happening this yr

thanks...dying to see u all dere