Howdy! It's been quite some years since I logged in and am not sure how many of the oldies are still around. Delighted to find the familiar interface not changed much and am getting my feel around the forum which eons ago was virtual home and hangout . Plus ca change plus meme chose...:)

I have got a ISB interview scheduled for Feb 4 , 11:40 HYD campus .

My profile :

Work exp : 7 years 8 months till date in ERP consulting . Work progress,rewards ,contribution all pretty good.

GMAT : 740 / 5.5 - written way back in 2007 !

Engineering : 75 %

12th STD : 94.5 %

Extra currics : Pretty good over the years involving trekking, theatre , teaching and writing . Lately into professional photography - wedding,travel and product shoots.

I was based in London when I submitted the app and hence had scheduled for Skype. But work and personal commitments necessitated that I come to India for couple of months so I requested the adcom to change the interview option to personal interview. They readily obliged - pretty impressive in their professional approach - and my base location was Chennai. Even though am at the outer end of the bell curve in terms of my work experience for ISB ,I expected *atleast* an interview call because I felt I had a fairly competitive profile. I would have to be travelling out of country next week so sent a mail to the adcom apprising my situation and enquiring whether it would be feasible to have SKYPE calls post Feb first week .

I had an interview call couple of hours later It could be entirely coincidental but I rather doubt it. Either way am impressed with their professional approach so far . As with all things your mileage and experience might vary . Ceteris paribus.

Good luck for folks waiting for an interview. If there is a way I can help out with anything let me know.

- Girish

@Nikhil.katariya: : Welcome to the forum! Do search around for an appropriate thread for your query . Spend some time in the forum to familiarize with the way it works and find the appropriate thread to post.

You can always use the shoutbox if you are need of an urgent query to find the thread.

Likely these two posts will be purged from this thread to maintain the thread theme

Girish...!

Interesting thread but how about actually discussing whether there is any "real method" to all this "madness"? I very very strongly recommend both the books " Fooled by Randomness: The Hidden Role of Chance in Life and in the Markets "
and "The Black Swan: The Impact of the Highly Improbable " by Nassim Taleb. ( Thanks to Yogesh for recommending me this! ) . I wouldnt exactly claim these books were "life changing" but they did give moral sanction to certain perspectives I have held so far which made "sense" and reconsider some other things.

Notwithstanding the ponderous style of the author ( am not complaining...have been accused of the same so can identify with the author ) the points made in the books are simply brilliant! And very very relevant to the investment banking industry. Mind you this is no "Liar's Poker" but will give you a fresh perspective on that book again.

Girish...!

That's great Though I never took effort to learn PHP I do know from reliable sources that it's pretty simple. Maybe you can ask Bijoy Rungta or Deep who am sure would know a lot more about PHP.

@Jackal : You are confusing issues here I have nothing against angst ridden swearing. "Heck","Damn" etc are all the same. What I was riling against and what this thread is about in the first place, is targeted swearing as a "mental conditioning" technique. Or doing it for "fun".

This is not an issue of "personal choice". The territory of personal choices end with personal angst. And frankly that is where even whether you can react or not starts and ends

I hope you see the point we are trying to make here. But if people do that to bring down an opponent then my condescension holds.

And oh the world owes you nothing. And neither do you owe the world anything.

*Rant ahead ..read it at your own discretion *



The more I get into this by talking to people who I know and trust studying in these institutes frankly the more murkier it is getting :| But speculations aside there are many disturbing undercurrents to these stuff than the rather ostensible "swearing". First of all these are my personal takes on the couple of issues which has been highlighted in this thread.

1.Swearing as an intimidation technique

2.The IIM A top 5 dorm culture.

This isn't an attempt to take a "moral superior" stand or anything. Heck anyone who knows me well know that I am liberal to a fault. ( Except of course I am a staunch Conservative when it comes to tolerating stupidity ). So frankly I am all for your right to swear ( What did Voltaire say? " Thou might be stupid and an imbecile but I shalt protect your right to be one! " Ok so he said something else in French but it got lost in translation ) .

But the point that really saddens me is here you are supposedly the crme de la crme of India and no doubt "the smartest of women" some have met but when it comes to "intimidation" all you can do is, gasp!, come up with swearing?? ( Imagine the expression of the scientists when the super computer which was to answer the qn of meaning of life, universe and everything came up with "F***". ) Of course of course no one means it etc etc but that doesn't deny the fact that for an outsider it is very surprising. And here's another thing about "swearing".

It's very very uncool. Take that and smoke it in your pipe. I don't know about you but if I see someone ranting and raving my first impression is to ignore him and not take the person seriously. And no Tarantino's dialogue is not art. You are not being a rebel. You are being an idiot.

You are welcome to swear needlessly and worse as "intimidation" technique but allow me to ignore you and declare your behavior, well for want of a better word, crass.

Point 2 about expressing the sexual fantasies. I think it's a great idea! In fact I would say with some people the only meaningful conversation I can possibly have is to discuss their sexual fantasies. I am not going to take any moral high stand that it "objectifies" women and denigrates their feminity. Heck, I subscribe to the view point that the homo sapiens species are nothing but automatons and seriously how much more reductionist can you get than that?

But what I really object to is the under current of patriarchcal influence here. I mean I found it extremely unfair that not all are invited to the party so the women can choose their top 5 ( men or women. We are all for equal opportunity ) and comment on what they would like to do to the men. ( What was that about castration anxiety? ) . Wouldn't it be delightful if we could recreate Stanley Kubric's "Eyes Wide Shut" part deux ?

But actually my greatest disappointment from the posts here is that there was not one single person who posted that

1. 1. Yes I like Swearing and I do it out of my own volition. Sue me.

2. 2. Yes I have sexual fantasies about my friends. Your problem being?

But no. they had to take refuge in "tradition" ( "Oh I wouldn't dream of swearing and I am goody too shoes but then you know it's the culture and tradition..in other words I was a kind of victim though I had fun " ).

We have a term for that. Called Sheep mentality.

Ok here's a simple thought experiment. Make a laundry list of your dorm culture and ask your director to ratify it. No marks for guessing what he would do. Why is it so hard for you guys to come out of your "institutionalized" mentality and understand exactly how all this seems to an outsider? And what's with the asinine argument that "You are not part of the institute so don't comment"? Really? Is that the best retort you can come up with? Has anyone ever tried taking a democratic poll of your own students and see what they actually think of all these "traditions"?

And what's with the post rationalization that all this prepares you for the "big bad world" outside ?

Right. This is what happens outside. Board room meetings where one swears at one other.

It builds "character" indeed.

And now you want to shoot the messenger. Awesome way of damage control.

*End of rant *

You know, its not that whatever strategy / plans you make are always succesful. Sometimes strategies fail, might be that this time this one has failed, Cant that be the situation ??

So just that you were only able to make 500 rupees out of this whole news you say that it was not dirty publicity, and it was to make the youth fight against swearing. But i am really sorry, i or for that matter 99% junta wont buy this stupid logic

Ha ha...I would love to give a primer on how online advertising works and why those what's-it's-name again websites have pages designed in such a way that unsuspecting readers cant help clicking on the link giving the latest scoop on what's eating Sania Mirza . There is a reason why the advertising links which generate click through revenues are "focussed" and the shoddy piece of english words passing for sentences are "wrapped" around it . That my friend is the way the net works. So view this objectively and understand why it is extremely likely more than ninety percent of them who read this ( and *ahem* arguably constitute the creme de la creme of India when not swearing and upholding traditions ) will "get it" that this wasn't about revenue. Sadly if they are forum regulars they should have got it before one really needs to spell it out to them in black and white but we can let that pass :)


In the earnest attempts made to defend one's actions or well one's alma mater let us not get side tracked into what to some is deep malaise in our "Either with us or against us" social outlook.
There are plenty of people like me who are fence sitters because we do that out of volition. Also we just dont care. But if this is the only way I have to "fit in" it is no brainer why plenty of ppl like me are "outsiders".

The first post asked for a debate . Not a defense.

Ok amidst all the allegations ,counter allegations and general lack of coherence in many arguments there is one teeny weeny detail I hope to get clarified.

All the people who are harping on the "sensation" bit and claiming this is surely Pagalguy.com's answer to what's-it's-name tabloid or channel I am very curious to know how they worked out that more number of hits means more revenues? I mean surely readers and posters on this thread are aware that gone are the heydays of early 2000 where advertising revenue was decided on "eyeballs" and now it is most likely pay per click?

I would love to be corrected if I am wrong.

But if I am right can you kindly stop harping on the "revenue" angle and actually,I dont how to put this gently,but actually go on and defend your culture,your tradition or whatever it is floats your boat?

I am just curious on the revenue aspect.

So my curious mind wants to know the statistics of page views and click throughs of this thread and the advertisement for clearly don't you know pagalguy.com has to earn "bread" first and this is clearly a devious design on their parts to "sensationalize" the issue just to increase the number of hits, hide their insecurity because they did not get into IIM ( we will ignore one has gone to mm..Wharton,another didnt take IIM K, another IITK and has no intention of doing his MBA etc etc ).

Please continue the fun.

"Neo2000" Says

The novice/intermediate is user specific and not club specific. There exists just one large happy club with the users defining their proficiency level for that club. I'm thinking we can do away with clubstatusmaster, move clubstatusid into clubid?

No no think I didnt name it properly...lets rename it to ClubMemberStatusId.

ClubMemberStatusMaster :
Description : This contains the various statuses of the members belonging to a club. Basically the domain table for "Intermediate" ,"Novice" etc. The assumption here this is common across all members and is applicable for all clubs. If a particular club does not support these statuses of a member one can have a generic status "Generic" or "NA" .

ClubMemberStatusID --> PK for this table
ClubMemberStatusDesc --> Description

ClubMembershipDet :

Description : This table contains the member ship details for all your members.

MemberId :
ClubID :
ClubMemberStatusID :

Make a composite primary key of the above three fields. And make them as foreign key individually to the master tables.

The advantage of above is it will be easier for you to query from the table ClubMembershipDet on any level.
Eg) With appropriate query you can get the following details :
1) Members belonging to a particular club
2)All the clubs of a particular member
3) All the clubs of a member with a particular status
4)All the members who have a particular status in a particular club

Etc etc..

Other advantage is since we have separated the master tables from the transaction table you can add more clubs ,change description,status descriptions etc and it wont affect the existing data since they are linked by "Ids" which of course should not be changed. So this ensures scalability to use a self evident jargon.

Oops am sorry. Thought you are familiar with the techie jargon So do you have anyone out there to whom you can pass on the technical requirements?
What I suggested was just a rough cut. But if you want a solid design that needs to be done iteratively or need a session dedicated for requirement gathering. If you tell us what programming language you are using the relevant guys who have worked on that will help you out. The database design is usually independent of the language. So can help you out with the design of that but as for language specific help and implemntaiton you may need to be more specific ( and also we can learn on the way ..nothing can learning hands on ) and you might target websites dedicated to these kind of stuff.

But what we can do here is come up with a robust database design if you feed us more requirements. The requirements are quite simple anyway