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    Why top b-schools are shying away from reporting their placements under the IPRS
    by Shashank Venkat in IPRS, Indian Placement Reporting Standards, IIM-A, placements on 26 September '12

    Last year, about three dozen b-schools had met at the Indian Institute of Management (IIM), Ahmedabad campus to etch out the Indian Placement Reporting Standards (IPRS), intended to be an honest and auditable way for b-schools to report their placements to future applicants and the media. A year later, it is worth looking at its adoption across India's MBA institutes. Against the 33 b-schools that were participated in setting the standard, the 25 that eventually became signatories to it and the estimate of 150-160 that IIM Ahmedabad's director had hoped for, only five have released actual placement reports adhering to the IPRS.

    PaGaLGuY spoke to several b-schools to understand why they had been keeping their hands off the IPRS.

    Some might deem the IPRS' data intensivity on salary and offers as breaking new ground in transparency, but for a few b-schools, the over-emphasis on salary numbers is not necessarily a good thing. A member from the placement team of Faculty of Management Studies (FMS), Delhi University told PaGaLGuY, "Salaries should be seen just an indicator while choosing a b-school and not as the be-all and end-all of it. Top institutes across the country hover around similar salary numbers. Moreover, these numbers do not take into account the intangible benefits that a job might offer. For example, the learning that you take away from a job cannot be measured in terms of the numbers alone."

    The FMS placement report however reports the average domestic salary in cost-to-company (CTC) terms and its percentage increase over the previous year, which is precisely the kink IPRS aims to throw out, since CTC salaries combine several tangible and intangible fixed and variable components, and are not representative of what a graduate might actually earn on the job. When asked about it, FMS agreed that CTC was not an accurate representation of salaries at all, and was contemplating scrapping it in the future altogether. IIM Lucknow on the other hand stuck to the stand that they never provided salary numbers in their placement report anyway. "We have always focussed more on the roles offered than the salary numbers," said the placement team from IIM Lucknow.

    For a few other schools, the extra effort required towards collecting huge amounts of data was putting off. Rakesh Saxena, placement coordinator, Institute of Rural Management (IRMA), Anand told PaGaLGuY that adopting the IPRS format was a complicated task to execute at the institute level and they would rather stick to their own format. In fact, IIM Shillong and TA Pai Management Institute (TAPMI), Manipal, which had signed up for the IPRS last year but not released an IPRS placement report yet, cited this as one of the reasons for the delay. They told PaGaLGuY that data collection was a tedious effort which took a lot of time and other means of representing data needed to be adopted to make the process simpler." H S Srivastava, chairman of placements at TAPMI said, "Some companies give offer letters to students directly and it is a difficult job to procure them from these students. Also, it is difficult to contact outstation students once they graduate as they often change their contact details after leaving the institute." Merlvin Mukhim, placement coordinator, IIM Shillong said, "The most difficult part of the exercise was to get a break-up of the salary as most companies were not willing to provide the data. Also, the volume of data collected under the IPRS has caused the delay in releasing the report."

    Lack of industry support however appears to be the biggest hurdle stopping IPRS adoption, because companies need to be comfortable with their compensation data being used in the IPRS process. V K Menon, senior director, career advancement services, admissions and financial aid at the Indian School of Business (ISB), Hyderabad said, "Many companies abroad have confidentiality clauses which do not allow them to disclose the break-up of salaries. Since our students are experienced and hiring happens for senior-level management positions, companies are even more averse to disclosing information. To ensure that the average CTC for the batch is fairly reported, we take into account the CTCs earned by the middle 80% by salary of our placed students while calculating the average."

    When asked why ISB had not externally audited its placement report, he said, "We have not given it too much thought. We have only done so much." The placement team from Mudra Institute of Communications (MICA), Ahmedabad told PaGaLGuY that it was too early to abide by the IPRS as its acceptance across the industry was not well established and thus served no real purpose.

    IPRS signatory institutes are also having a tough time on this front. Mr Mukhim from IIM Shillong explained, "We have not been able to sensitise the corporates to the cause. Also, the newer IIMs and smaller institutes have very less bargaining power with the companies. Since we have to place our students, we need to adopt a tactical approach and cannot push the companies too much." Mr. Srivastava from TAPMI added, "In many cases, the HR policies do not allow companies to share the information with us. The companies feel that they will lose out on their competitive edge if the salary numbers are disclosed."

    Many b-schools are adopting a ‘wait and watch’ approach before taking a final call on IPRS. Indian Institute of Foreign Trade (IIFT), Delhi told PaGaLGuY that they were gauging whether they could have all the arrangements in place and will take a final call on adopting the standard soon. The placement team from Vinod Gupta School of Management (VGSoM), IIT Kharagpur, said, "Since the IPRS has not got a wide acceptance yet, we are not willing to come on board just yet. Other b-schools also need to accept it before we can take a decision on it."

    IIM Kozhikode is in favour of the IPRS but wants to wait for some more time before becoming a member. Others like Symbiosis Institute of Business Management (SIBM), Pune, Jamnalal Bajaj Institute of Management Studies (JBIMS), Mumbai, National Institute of Industrial Engineering (NITIE), Mumbai and Narsee Monjee Institute of Management Studies (NMIMS), Mumbai claimed to be in the discussion stage and had not taken a stand on the matter.

    In what seems like a paradox, a few lesser known private b-schools were more willing to come on board the IPRS bandwagon. If you take a look at the members abiding by the IPRS, the bulk of them comprise what is known as tier-II and tier-III b-schools. So, why adopt the IPRS when their placement salary numbers are modest compared to the top b-schools?

    One such b-school is Sahyadri Institute of Management Studies, Pune which is one of the five b-schools to have released its audited placement report under the IPRS. A member of the placement team offers an explanation, "Being associated with IIM Ahmedabad and IPRS, smaller and newer institutes like ours can learn a lot of best practices. Also, we want to go public with the true placement data and have no problems being honest about it."

    Although, Santosh Mathews from the placement team of MITCON Institute of Management, Pune had a different take on it. Calling it an admission gimmick, he said, "For some of the smaller b-schools, it is a question of survival. It is better to show some placement than no placement at all. The quality of students is not very good in such institutes and being associated with an IIM helps draw students to their fold." But Gopinath M, placement coordinator, Farook Institute of Management Studies, Calicut believed that it was a step in the right direction for these institutes and will yield dividends in the long run. "Apart from the obvious element of transparency, it will give greater visibility to the b-schools. Also, this will help us to interact and network with bigger b-schools which can lead to other initiatives such as seminars and workshops conducted by faculty from these schools for our students," he said.

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    chowdarip, CATch_22 & 24 others like this
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    • shrinivassg Manifest motives have been superbly explored. But the latent motive still remains! But then again, no one will ever tell that out openly. :P :P
      The fact that most colleges in the country barring the ones at the top do not have 100% placements, and few students having to get their own jobs/internships. The actual average packages being much lower than the ones that are being reported as of now.
      IPRS will have a hard time getting acceptance. It isn't perfect either, as you guys ( @Apurv and @shashankvenkat3) had pointed out earlier. But then, it is way better than what we have right now. Tweaking and making things better can always be done. And for one, it makes things very clear to aspirants, about what MBA offers to them.
      Reduces the number of people coming in with stars in their eyes and dreams of a 40L crack in an i-bank, and shows them the reality that there's the other side with a 7L job when you pass out as well. Which I feel should be done.
      Average CTC is the most misleading figure ever, as for a batch of say 60 students, a couple of bank jobs with high variable pays (the 32L standard that is there in all reports from last year) lifts the average package to such higher levels! (By almost a lakh or 2 infact - have gotten weaker at DI with passing days).
      #1 • 26 Sep '12 Like 9
    • hmaheshwari71 Surprisingly the article talks about the colleges which have not adopted IPRS when it should have talked about colleges like SCMHRD, Pune which are actually following it.

      Check the following links-

      http://scmhrd.edu/upload/Crisil-Audited%20Final%20Placement%20report.pdf for final placements last year

      http://scmhrd.edu/images/pdf/Crisil-Audited_Summer_Placement_Report_2012.pdf for summer placements last year
      #2 • 26 Sep '12 Like 4
    • Quantohelp Getting opinion from Placement Committee members serves no purpose. These are policy decisions and the institute as such takes calls on these matters. And FMS could have come up with a better reason than the one stated here ;)
      #3 • 26 Sep '12 Like
    • vivek4274 Come on IIMs and other top B schools.....its my appeal to u all to please espouse this IPRS standards to stave off the attempts of tier 2 and 3 colleges for misguiding our students.
      #4 • 26 Sep '12 Like 1
    • blogger2mba Agreed that we spend a lot on the fees and expect good RoI, but at the same time...only figures should not be the focus. MBA is not a money vending degree and it should be seen as a qualification for you to reach greater heights in your professional life. Yes, at the same time no one is asking you to pay rs100 for degree and work for 10rs after. Also keep in mind, getting into IIM or top notch B school will not fetch you 1 or 2 lacs per month. I have known ppl from IIMA getting lower than the salary they get before they joined IIM. So focus on your dream, i hope its an MBA degree and the experience you get from it, rather than only on numbers. IPRS should not be seen as the 'only' selection tool for you to choose among colleges.
      #5 • 27 Sep '12 Like 1
    • DEVILISHANGEL @vivek4274: The case is actually the other way around ;)

      A very interesting line i spotted "the companies feel that they will lose out on their competitive edge if the salary numbers are disclosed" - therefore the companies know that they are lying about their salary packages - so the fake salary packages are their "competitive edge"? Naaaice.
      #6 • 27 Sep '12 Like
    • vivek4274 Dear @DEVILISHANGEL ,

      We can infer from this article that the introduction of these IPRS standards , which were formulated last year in a meeting of about three dozen B-schools at IIM Ahmedabad, was a disguised effort to be honest. Who the hell in this world is cent percent honest; after all it's a competitive world.These standards are American tricks to pretend honesty.Either our top B-Schools are too honest that IPRS hurts their ego or they are fearful to loose their competitive edge as per you.What my point is that adopting these standards will increase B-Schools competitive edge in the world market as well as the student fraternity both in India and abroad.Come on there is no harm in pretending to be honest :)
      #7 • 27 Sep '12 Like
    • WouldBeCrazy What a coincidence. We had similar concern just few days back

      http://www.pagalguy.com/forums/gmat-accepting-bschools/why-schools-so-scared-t-t-85794/p-3603408
      #8 • 27 Sep '12 Like
    • krishna581 Well, IPRS is definitely a welcome move for students which would give them more realistic picture about the placements of various colleges. As rightly stated by the FMS placement team, the placement figures should not be considered as a sole criteria after all. No doubt that colleges adopting the IPRS would ensue a steep fall in the number of MBA aspirants.However competetive the world might be, let us be honest because, only this will give evelasting contentment. 8-)
      #9 • 27 Sep '12 Like 1
    • nitk2iima2 @DEVILISHANGEL ....I would beg to differ with u my frnd..let me clarify what the companies mean by "competitive edge"...when we talk about CTC,it actually means the total cost incurred by the said company on a particular employee and it includes a no.of perks except salary...perks like Medical fecilities,EPF deductions from employee's salry and contri by company as well,tax deduction is also your own income,it even includes no.of leave that one can avail,accomodation facilities if any,Holidays packages(some cos.do offer these),office space and much more.this list is inclusive but not exhaustive...
      So to say that a company is lying about the CTC would be a biased statement,its not always like that.Most of the Companies are fair barring few small firms.
      AFAIK by being competitive they mean the lucrative benefits they offer to the employee in order to attract the best brains and it is highly subjective and they dnt wanna disclose their secrets.
      #10 • 27 Sep '12 Like 2
    • starvoyager I am not trying to take a potshot at any particular school, but it's ironic to note how schools are talking about waiting till 'IPRS is widely adopted/firmly established' etc ect when all b-school brochures never fail to loudly proclaim how they are innovative and aim to lead the change blah blah. Sir Humphrey Appleby would have been very proud.
      #11 • 27 Sep '12 Like 3
    • Apurv @krishna581 - But IPRS is not making salary the be-all-end-all/sole criteria at all. It has detailed data about sectors and functions, cities and regions where jobs have been offered and how many students are unplaced, and it does not stop any b-school from putting in additional details of a subjective nature as per individual b-schools' taste. But FMS has completely ignored that bit and given an official statement making a misplaced 'hauwa' out of the salary aspect to divert the attention away from their ultimate unwillingness to be more transparent. And going by one part of your comment, their diversionary tactics seem to have worked :).
      #12 • 28 Sep '12 Like 3
    • DEVILISHANGEL @nitk2iima2: Colgate, Citi, Olam, small firms?

      @vivek4274: Pretending to be honest is exactly what is wrong with Indian MBA schools. HRD minisitry should make IPRS mandatory for all b-schools. That is the only way this problem will get solved.
      #13 • 28 Sep '12 Like
    • chowdarip IPRS is in its initial stages. One of the biggest challenges for any B-School is placements (besides admissions, faculty and funds). There is cut-throat competition to achieve best in this. On the other side, 'Global Recession' has been playing havoc continuously. While even RTI is stabilising in India, aspects like transparency, disclosures, audit reports, rankings, gradings, accreditations, etc are all pushing the best B-Schools to streamline their functioning and standardise practices. IPRS is a Voluntary Disclosure activity for which the B-Schools need to gear up comply. May be in years to come, this scheme will stabilise.
      #14 • 28 Sep '12 Like
    • wasimrazaa Placement has been always a question mark for Indian B school. Recently we came through story of IIT D. Indeed most of the Indian B school try to woo student through their placement data so they are ready to make data rosy anyhow. How can we trust them to inherit ethics in student if even they are not ready to show transparency...Big question mark.
      #15 • 29 Sep '12 Like
    • bbhavik And ironically, b schools are teaching subjects of ethics to their students.
      #16 • 03 Oct '12 Like
    • sam87_bhopal You may go through dissertation submitted to crisil regarding my views on noble mission behind IPRS and its future.

      http://www.crisil.com/crisil-young-thought-leader-2011/dissertations/7dissertations-Sandeep-Thawani-School-Petroleum-Management-Gandhinagar.pdf
      #17 • 07 Oct '12 Like
    • Quantohelp @DEVILISHANGEL I am sure firms such as Colgate, Citi wont lie about salary details. They put forth the CTC figures which in my opinion is fine. The problem is students invariably assume the CTC to be in-hand salary. Agreed, IPRS will help segregate all such components. But the practice of reporting CTC is quite prevalent in the market. Afterall, while job hopping, you quote your CTC (and not in hand component) to the new employer, don't you?
      #18 • 08 Oct '12 Like
    • sonali.mehra @spjain...we are following the IPRS since inception
      #19 • 09 Oct '12 Like
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