A total of 2,04,267 candidates have registered to appear for CAT 2010 against a total voucher sale of 2.06 lakhs, the Convenor of the Common Admissions Test (CAT) 2010 and IIM Lucknow Professor Himanshu Rai told PaGaLGuY today.
According to the data shared by Prof Rai, there is a marginal increase of 1.65 percentage points in the number of freshers taking this year's CAT. While in CAT 2009 the number of candidates with less than 6 months of work experience was 71%, this year the number has increased to 72.65%.
"Since the economy is improving, there would be a tendency to hold on to jobs one already has," Prof Rai said, reasoning the drop in the number of candidates with work experience.
But the most interesting change in the CAT 2010 registrant profile is the fat 4.6 percentage points drop in the number of engineers. In CAT 2009, the number of registrants with engineering+technology+architecture education were 65%, which has come down to 60.39% for CAT 2010.
There is similarly a decrease in the number of arts and science graduates taking CAT 2010. Candidates with arts/humanities education reduced from 3% last year to 2% this year, while those studying science decreased from 7% in CAT 2009 to 4.89% in CAT 2010. The proportion of commerce and BBA graduates increase by 2 percentage points from 23% to 25% from CAT 2009 to CAT 2010.
Apart from commerce and BBA graduates, the gap left open by reduced number of engineering, arts and science graduates was filled up by increased number of graduates of a myriad variety of courses such as animal husbandry, medicine, dentistry, agriculture, law and others.
The number of General category candidates have dropped by 1 percentage point to 81% compared to CAT 2009. The non-creamy OBC category candidates form 11%, while SC category forms 6 percent and ST category 2 percent of the total registrants.
Of the candidates, 74% are male while 26% are female, which is very similar to the previous year's trend. As much as 60.13% of the candidates have an engineering education.
At 21.48%, more than one-fifth of the candidates will apear for the CAT from the National Capital Region alone. Combining the New Delhi, Noida, Greater Noida, Ghaziabad, Faridabad and Gurgaon towns, the NCR region is the single largest testing zone in this year's CAT 2010.
Mumbai is a distant second with a representation of 9.52% of the total number of candidates while Bangalore comes third at 9.22%.
In terms of the permanent addresses of the candidates provided at the time of registration, the maximum number of candidates belong to Maharashtra (14.83%) followed by Uttar Pradesh (13.15%) and Delhi (9.76%). Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh follow next at 6.61% and 7.27% respectively.
The total number of registrations in CAT 2009 were 2,41,582, which have dropped by 15.4% to 2,04,267 for CAT 2010.
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innovate While I agree that IIM-L has resorted to a rather crude method, it's only an attempt to level the playing field. I second the above poster's opinion that the IIM selection process is biased towards engineers. Just compare the CAT to any international exam like the GMAT. Two sections of the CAT revolve around mathematics, whereas the GMAT is much more balanced. And even in the QA section, the GMAT tests reasoning skills more than the core-mathematics oriented CAT. Another major criterion is graduation marks. People from an arts/science background cannot hope to achieve the kind of marks that engineers are gifted (and so far there is no normalizing of marks based on stream/university). Ultimately, several arguments justifying the preponderance of engineers in the IIMs can be made (state of education, economy etc), but the fact remains that engineers make up a disturbingly high percentage of management students. The situation is not analogous to more cricketers from Mumbai making it big than from Tripura (as someone mentioned) because there are scores of talented individuals from other fields. Its time to gain from their experiences.#41 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
harry4u9 time for a CA to Comment.....well the truth is most CAs start of their careers at 4.5 in metros & 2.5-3.5 in non metros, & with Work Ex they rise up to 7.5 in 2 yrs in metros & 4 yrs in non metros.#42 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
harry4u9 & with the CA degree it doesnt make sense to try for CAT in metros atleast so ppl in metros prefer courses like CFA(USA) & GMAT-MBA ppl in non metros still try fo CAT to get that push in their careers#43 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
ABCLIKS @Harsh...r u including here 2nd , 3rd , 4th attempt CAs too...Or 1st attempt only???#44 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
Anonymous @all: I am pleased at your responses. @great_timer: MBA is about business management (and sometimes leadership and entreprenuership. Hope you all agree!). Such a course should naturally be open to all, which it is (as far as CAT's eligibility is concerned). But we tend to forget that since CAT tests our quantitative, analytical and verbal ability, and that in itself isn't ezactly fair. The following people, for instance, may find it very difficult to get thru on the basis of their CAT scores, no matter how high their IQ or EQ is: Archaeologists Fashion designers Animators/ graphic designers Sportspersons Musicians Journalists The list is endless. I value these professions very highly, no less than Engineers. But if you observe carefully, most of the above listed professionals would have opted for arts (without maths) at 10+2 and degree level. Me and you have been studying science subjects since 15 years of age (thats alomost a decade, my friend), so we both have a stronger aptitude for mathematics. Correct me if I am wrong. What about a guy who opted to study subjects like philosophy, pol science, history etc? Should he not be given a chance to go for an MBA? Cant such a person become a good businessman? (Think of a businessman dealing in artefacts, or a guy who wants to start an educational website) But will such a guy be comfortable with questions like: 7 girls go to 7 different theatres to watch 7 different plays on 7 different days????? Unlikely. Not because of lack of intellect, but because of exposure to other areas of study, and not just limited to maths and data.. @omkar: Thanks for hitting the nail on it's head so hard that it broke! How unfortunate that we always end up equating MBA with money!#45 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
first_timer So, instead of changing the exam pattern, IIM-L will just award 2.5 marks to the non-engineers as a prize for not studying engineering. Nice, great initiative I should say. All hail diversity, who care's about merit anyways ?#46 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
aster_da @Omkar: Right, avg. salary of an MBA would be around 7.5 after two years. So, not much difference here... @Harsh: I think you have a point in Metro vs Non Metro thing..#47 • 22 Oct '10 Like 1 -
first_timer @abhijitonline : according to your logic, the science graduates should get even lesser marks than engineers, right ? I mean, a maths graduate will be much better than engineers in solving problems about 7 girls going to 7 movies etc. The solution is not so simple. To create diversity, they should change the exam pattern and not reward people for not studying engineering. And they should release these criteria before CAT registration opens, so that the fresher-engineers who have absolutely no chance of getting into an IIM(for calculations, visit the PG UDT thread) can drop the idea of writing CAT and do something worthwhile/fruitful.#48 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
aster_da @abhijitonline: How else does an average mortal like us quantify our value/worth if not with Money ? We are no Vivekananda!!#49 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
Anonymous @firsttimer: May be thats why the drop in the number of engineers applying. And maybe thats why even Science does not figure in the IIM-L list.(hope I read it right!) Though I am aghast at your argument about maths grads. Maths grads do study maths, but that maths hardly has any number crunching or application of analytical reasoning. Changing the exam pattern is a possible solution. But how practical? Can IIM professor or Prometric claim to understand the nuances of agriculture for instance? Admission tests have to be very very general in that sense in the absence of alternatives. If I am from an agri background good at only agriculture, how does anyone test my aptitude? I suck at maths and I super suck at VOCAB, But does that mean I shouldnt learn about business? No sir. Thats not the way it's supposed to be. @aster_da: Cute!#50 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
great_timer @innovate,abhijitonline : I'm not against diversity...Let people from diverse backgrounds get into the top colleges on objective and fair parameters..Do you want diversity at the cost of merit? Look it's about who performs,if a player can score more runs or take more wickets than other players,then he should be in the team irrespective of which state he belongs to.But if he doesn't do that he should not be awarded freebies to get into the team.."Oh,he played football during his childhood days,so he is not familiar with cricket!Lets award him 50 bonus wickts and include him in the India team"!!..sounds analogous enough?#51 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
Apurv Please continue the IIM Lucknow-specific discussion here - http://www.pagalguy.com/2010/10/iim-lucknows-new-admission-policy-bids-for-higher-class-diversity/ However the CAT data discussion may continue here.#52 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
first_timer @abhijit : 1stly, do you think in 4 years of engineering we are taught number crunching and geormtery, TSD problems ? And secondly, how do you define business ? Do you think it has absolutely no relevance to number crunching or Maths or DI ? If they do not have anything doing with business, why they even conduct CAT ? They can start from GD/PI round itself.#53 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
first_timer sorry, I posted the last comment before reading Apurv's post.#54 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
great_timer @abhijitonline: Engineers do only a small subset of what maths grads do(during graduation).Again what comes in QA is from class 10 standard maths topics..so graduation doesn't have a direct role in that sense...Prior to CAT preparation I did a Time and work problem in class 10 and it's same for most graduate in any field. Regarding business:A good businessman turns adversities into opportunites..he would not get freebies from his competitors...A person intending to manage a business should atleast know how to manage to get through an exam for a start!#55 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
harry4u9 Well i included everybody except the Merit holders#56 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
Anonymous @apurv: Sorry but itching to post one last comment here. @TImer twins: No, I dont think engg is about number crunching. My point was about familiarity and comfort (try writing a short note on the Chalukya dynasty right now. You cant, coz it's been a long time since we last studied that) Dont wanna boast here, but I handle millions of USD worth of business every quarter (in a trading company ryt now). So far, havnt felt the need to use my maths skills, and when I do, the CalC and MS excel are more than handy. Need I say more??? Reg Conduct of CAT, if wish were horses, beggars would ride (lemme clarify, I am the beggar here :-)) Expand your horizons my friends. Talk to people from diverse backgrounds even for 10 mins and you will know the great things you can learn from them. Trust me. Really. And ya, if business really is the way you defined it, then why not act what you are preaching. Instead of cribbing about lost opportunities, look at the new IIM rules as an adversity and fight it tooth and nail by outscoring the ppl who according to you are getting freebies (rude, I say!) .#57 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
harry4u9 Well i dont believe anybody is getting a freebie just coz he has some qualification y do u guys forget that the institutes are just recognising the degree the person holds. Say for instance a CA would get preference not just coz he is a CA but rather becoz the institute recognises the fact that he has been equally comepetitive in his field of Study & moreover a CA degree is equivalent to any other Masters programme so he is to be given that respect. whoever said above "Bringing diversity at the cost of merit....." i dont think merit is being dishonoured here.#58 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
harry4u9 @great timer: just to add lets not equate Mgt with astrophysics its not a job that only a so called MBA can do....so i highly disapprove ur comments#59 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
sibinabraham this is ridiculous....IIML's biased circular is outrageous... a person with graduation in fine arts is getting weightage and engineers dn find any place...#60 • 22 Oct '10 Like - Page 4 of 4
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alok_nit The drop in the number of CAT aspirants is certainly notable but I don't see much of a reason to read too much into it. I think the number of candidates taking final admission during any given MBA season will not change, i.e., irrespective of the number of registrants for CAT, the no. of people taking final admits, in various B Schools, will, more or less, remain the same. Say for eg, some 20 - 30K people will be taking admissions in a mba season and it is in the rest 180 - 200K people that we are witnessing a drop. As many above have rightly pointed out, it can be due to the surge in job market or/and because of the low ROI from category B and C - category schools.But the competition at the top , among the candidates vying for the best B Schools, will remain as ferocious as ever.#61 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
great_timer @abhijitonline,Harsh: There are many students studying in state boards,studying in their VERNACULAR LANGUAGE till class 12..They are much less familiar in EnglishBut the CAT tests English..Moreover the CAT question paper is also ONLY in EnglishThen according to your logic these set of guys should also be given some free points to create a what you call a level playing field??#62 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
anonymous [...] Wanna read more … go here. [...]#63 • 22 Oct '10 Like -
rachita2487 One more interesting article - talks about the impact of decreasing CAT numbers. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/jobs/CAT-trainers-close-down-centres-as-aspirants-drop-costs-rise/articleshow/6794749.cms though there is factual error. One of the cities where they say a is centre is closed is not correct since i study there. Not sure about other cities though.#64 • 23 Oct '10 Like -
starvoyager Since the economy is improving, there would be a tendency to hold on to jobs one already has, Prof Rai said, reasoning the drop in the number of candidates with work experience. If I am not wrong, when the economy was down and the number of people taking CAT went down last year, it was reasoned that the decrease was because the economy was down, people preferred to hold on to jobs they already had. I won't throw names around without exactly remembering, but I think it was somebody from the IIMs who put forth that line of view. Logical inconsistency anyone?#65 • 24 Oct '10 Like -
DUK3 all those guys who get admitted into the top 20bschools in india..if u put that much effort into GMAT u all will get atleast 700 in GMAT and fill up seats of bschools abroad..CAT is a waste of tym..for business grads like me CAT doesn't make sense at all..for engg grads u guys will achieve outstanding gmat scores.#66 • 25 Oct '10 Like -
core2confused A good review. As everyone quoted, job market is pretty good. I feel OC candidates taking CAT is absolutely hopeless. But I dont think that the number of candidates taking CAT will decrease in the coming years. Numerous institutes depend on CAT to survive. Their profit margin might be thin but they will make sure that Engg grads fill their pockets a gr8 deal. gr8 insights by abhijitonline!!#67 • 25 Oct '10 Like -
arnabsuave sc,st,obc, quotas were dere...now we have d new 'non-engineering background' quota... wow#68 • 26 Oct '10 Like -
unflappable Is their any scope for a fresher through GMAT and someone referred a discussion How does a fresher stands no chance whatsoever to get into iims hwz that and where is that discussion and what are the odds??#69 • 26 Oct '10 Like
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