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    Increase in female candidate registrations in CAT 2012 not significant, say b-schools
    by Shashank Venkat in CAT 2012 registrations, CAT 2012, IIM Kozhikode on 17 October '12

    CAT takers at Thakur College of Science and Commerce, Mumbai on Oct 16, 2012

    The Indian Institute of Management (IIM) Kozhikode released registration data for Common Admission Test (CAT) 2012 on Monday. The data revealed that the number of girls registering for CAT 2012 has increased by 8.6% as opposed to the number of boys which has only increased by 2.6%. Most b-schools, though, do not see this as a very significant factor. Prof Pankaj Sinha, coordinator for admissions, Faculty of Management Studies (FMS), New Delhi, says, “It is not important whether the number of girls registering for CAT 2012 has increased. The ultimate thing is the number of girls selected for the programs at various b-schools. At FMS, the number of girls in our program has decreased. So, inclusiveness should be a part of the selection process.” Abbasali Gabula, deputy director, external relations and administration, S P Jain Institute of Management and Research (SPJIMR), Mumbai concurs, “It is not a significant increase. But it indicates that girls are looking at careers after graduation and hence interest in further studies.”

    Prof P Rameshan, director, IIM Rohtak, believes that the increase is a good sign. He says, “All the IIMs wanted more gender diversity and they have got more numbers this year. Now, these girls have to perform well for this factor to make an impact. This trend has to be sustainable. But I am optimistic about it.”

    However, there is an increase of 43% in the number of registered candidates with a work experience of 2-3 years. Till last year, the balance was tilted more in the favour of freshers or candidates with a work experience of less than 6 months. Dr. Arun Mohan Sherry, chairman, Joint Admissions Committee, Institute of Management Technology (IMT), Ghaziabad says, “This is important as it implies that quality of students at b-schools will improve. Learning will become more interesting. It will also be easy to teach these students since they have some amount of industry experience. They will also have a better understanding of what they learn in b-schools. This sure is a positive development.” Prof Sinha also believes that this will improve the classroom environment in b-schools.

    Mr. Gabula sees this as a continuing trend. “These numbers would keep increasing since this is what is happening in b-schools around the world.” But Prof Rameshan attributes this to the economy going through a lull period. “Right now, there aren’t many job opportunities with lucrative packages on offer to the students. The opportunity cost for pursuing an MBA is less. Hence, people with work experience are pursuing management programs,” says Prof. Rameshan.

    The total number of registrations for CAT 2012 has increased by 4.2% to stand at 2,14,068 this year. So, does it mean that there is a rejuvenated interest in management programs? “No,” says Dr. Sherry. “An increase of +/-5% should be discounted. It does not mean that the craze for MBA is increasing in India.” Prof Anita Basalingappa, admissions chairperson, Mudra Institute of Communications, Ahmedabad (MICA) offers an interesting perspective. She says, "At a time when b-schools all over India are shutting down, the increase in registrations indicate that students want quality education from good b-schools. Also, this shows that if students do not get admission in a good b-school, there are willing to come back and take CAT again next year." Prof Rameshan, however, disagrees and says that this might not be indicative of a trend. He says, “When the economy starts doing well again and opportunities increase, the applicants would want to be in the job market rather than study.” Prof Sinha adds, “If you compare the data only with last year, it is an unfair reading. You should compare it over 3-5 years to get a better understanding.” Mr. Gabula further adds, “We had 2.85 lakh students taking the exam in 2008 so the figure of CAT takers is actually down substantially.”

    Incidentally, the total number of registrations for CAT 2009 was 2,41,582 which dropped by 15.4% to 2,04,267 in 2010 and saw a marginal increase of 0.49% to 2,05,345 in 2011.
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    • Asadali And then again where has the equality thing gone when so many advantages and preferences are given to others....??
      #21 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • Brooklyn @sb29 :sir bt i'll try d thruth 2 of female friends are in IIM n if u ask dre lyf plan from them dey say work for 5-6 yrs post marriage lead easy lyf... U may c im generalizing from a very small pool of sample space bt most gals have this mentalility.... actually i just want if women get d push from ppl to do MBA from great clgs such as IIM they should think beyond 5-6 yrz of work n marriage and look at doing smthng great in corportate world
      #22 • 17 Oct '12 Like 1
    • Brooklyn Rest my appologies if ive offended anybody...nothing of that sort intended..spcly to all the gals out dre :)
      #23 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • sb29 @Brooklyn There is a difference between what they say and what they do. Once people get a taste of financial independence, it is very hard to forgo that (unless there is family pressure). Track the progress of these IIM girls in life and see whether what I am saying is true or not. No need to call me sir. Was kidding with you. :)

      @Asadali What you are saying is correct. However, what you see happening in India is a global trend and you will see more of it. In business schools abroad, only an high GMAT score is not enough. I feel the same about CAT. After a certain percentile, other things should be looked at such as work experience, the profile of past job, previous education, extracurrics etc. Maybe gender. I don't know. Because otherwise the class will be full of Indian IT Males (IIM). :P
      #24 • 17 Oct '12 Like 2
    • Brooklyn @sb29: vo sir isliye coz im MBA aspirant n ur doing it :)

      PS last wala point :clap: :mg:
      #25 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • Asadali @sb29 +1... but wat i was saying was nt only with regard to percentiles... it was at each and every stage of the admission process....And Indian IT Males mein wats wrong i dont understand... take those who are more deserving... be it a gal, a boy and engineer , a diverse candidate or a reserved candidate... thats equality... and not the one which calls for sticking a weight to a person's gender, field of study or his caste....
      #26 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • sb29 @Brooklyn I am not doing it. I am done with it and don't want to do it again!! :)
      #27 • 17 Oct '12 Like 4
    • Brooklyn @sb29: fir to aap sir hi huye :D
      #28 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • sb29 @Asadali MBA is not about lectures. 30-40% of the learning happens outside the classroom from your peers and batchmates. When you sit in an MBA class, a group work or a discussion, if everyone talks about coding and onsite examples, you are not learning much. My class was diverse (and it was intentional on part of the institute) and it really helped when you got perspectives from people who have background in manufacturing, sales, defence, science etc. Also, personally I feel girls do add a different perspective. I don't know how far this is true but this is my opinion.
      #29 • 17 Oct '12 Like 1
    • abhimukh19 @sb29 I agree with your comments and ideas but reservation or favoritism is a form of discrimination isn't it .. and we have been trying to fight discrimination through reservation since last 60 years so ..

      Discrimination simply isn't a tool to cut discrimination that's just redistributing the load on the society

      My only question to b-school admin honchos running this industry so well , do you even look at an individual as a person with unique set of skills sets and talents or are you so busy in categorizing people into baskets of enggrs , non enggrs , males , females , IT ,Non IT that you have lost the purpose of selection itself
      #30 • 17 Oct '12 Like 6
    • Quantohelp @Brooklyn Supply of girls from IIMs is quite meagre... Bahut fight hoti hain :D
      #31 • 17 Oct '12 Like 4
    • Brooklyn @abhimukh19 : sirji for reply :clap:
      #32 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • sb29 @abhimukh19 I too don't agree with reservation. However, I am all for diversity in a classroom. That categorization is incorrect. As you said, applicants should be judged according to how s/he can add value. Many business schools do that (with profile based selection). However, you also have to consider the fact that business schools abroad, where they select through profile plus essays, typically get far less number of applications. For example, I think Harvard gets around 10k applications for 1k seats. As such it is easier to look at profiles. Compare that with India where the seats to applicant ratio is less than 1%. How do you think they will look at profiles? They will categorize using these attributes. And why are the applicant numbers so high? Because MBA is looked at almost a 'necessary and education completing' degree by most.
      #33 • 17 Oct '12 Like 6
    • abhimukh19 @sb29 thats why India is different from US or EU and i am sorry to say that we always find new ways to fight meritocracy .. I want to see more diversity by choice ..

      Actually i had asked the PG team to do a survey and find out whether the male and female ratio is better at say tier 2 and tier 3 colleges and if so why? and if the ratio is similar then we need to take some steps to help girls get into these institutions from preparation point of view which they are very much capable of

      If the ratio is better in lower rung b-schools , it may lead us to a conclusion that there is lack of competence and favoritism is not the solution, helping them gain skills sets is
      #34 • 17 Oct '12 Like 6
    • aquarius24 ok for a moment lets assume that this methodology is fine (gender diversity in b schools)
      but the point is that the ways which are implemented for achieving this are correct?
      Eg. some bounty points (like +1) are given for female candidates in calculating their total score for final selection post exam. Isn't it ppl called gender disparity?

      Now take one more case
      among working professionals, there are many rules,restrictions regarding female employees like they must not work after 8 or 9 p.m. . Ok we agreed that this must be followed and commendable.
      while you can see many male candidates working late night hours may be because of project deadline or any factor. But we are least bothered about this.
      then after that if both candidates are preparing for b.school exam then u can point out which one has to be struggle more for that.
      But is any bounty for that for male candidates? No.

      But then how come this point like gender diversity and bounty point things are pondered?


      P.S. Dont take anyone this as personally. will remove the post if it hurts anyone.:)
      #35 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • Quantohelp @abhimukh19 Being a female is a qualification in itself. It is a qualification which you and I can never get. Kind of (but not completely) analogous to the fact that engineers seldom have a CA qualification. IIMs are trying to get relevant and qualified candidates for their programmes.
      #36 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • nitinj11 @Asadali its the girl who has to carry the burden of carrying her baby in her womb... so she should be having every right to select best gens for her baby... even animals do the same thing its natural...
      #37 • 17 Oct '12 Like 3
    • Satwinder @amit8290 I guess the only person who actually deserves to be banned here is you.
      #38 • 17 Oct '12 Like 3
    • abhimukh19 @deepu @visionIIM-ACL kindly intervene ..
      #39 • 17 Oct '12 Like 1
    • sb29 To report @amit8290, please click on the small cross (x) which appears when you hold the mouse pointer over his comment and click 'Report This'
      #40 • 17 Oct '12 Like
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    • visionIIM-ACL @amit8290 You have been given the much needed break for a month. Learn to respect people around as well as to understand how to vent out anger at public forum during this time!
      #41 • 17 Oct '12 Like 3
    • gthakur It does not matter to IIMs how many girls have applied for CAT, they are targeting 50% girls in class and they will do it GD/WAT and PI are for boys only :D
      #42 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • amit.dalmia @Brooklyn Firstly, become 'the' biggest kaamchor. How to score IIM-A girls, then? Sometime later!
      #43 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • mehrotraankit @Brooklyn can't agree more to your point of merit based selections...give under privileged all they want to come up to the level of people who are above them in any sense...but don't just create a criteria and offer what they might not deserve...education should be strictly fair to all...we talk about students getting out of prestigious institutes getting amazing pay checks...dat's an individual's hard work which earns him good jobs..not d government policies...government can do every thing to get reserved classes into institutes like IIMs for the sake of votes but what after getting in? Who do they depend upon after getting into a world of competition where no reservation and no class matters...all that matters is the hard work and dedication...Managers aren't created...they are just developed and groomed for the best :)
      Peace!
      #44 • 17 Oct '12 Like 1
    • coolintellect @sb29 I totally agree with your views here :) :)
      #45 • 17 Oct '12 Like
    • imcoolrvid The IIMs are blindly trying to ape the West where 35-45% of the classes in top colleges comprise girls... In India, among girls you will only find Rich fathers' privileged daughters trying for the IITs/NITs/IIMs... In poor families and lower middle class families, girls cannot even think of elite institutes (with very few exceptions-- like one farmer's daughter making it through once in 2 years)... So, you will not find enough quality girls to compete with the meritorious guys..

      That is why IITs/NITs have only 10% girls and before the IIMs came up with the Nonsense policy of Grace Marks for girls, it was the case with BLACKI also... But nowadays, to promote diversity, mediocre and undeserving girls from well-off families are making it through via grace marks while far more talented and meritorious guys are being shown the boot..

      India was never a country where talent is highly respected... And these reservations and Grace marks are a further motivation for the meritorious Indian guy to migrate abroad so that his talent gets its due respect...

      Just one request for the IIMs--- Do Not RESERVE for those who Do Not DESERVE..
      #46 • 17 Oct '12 Like 5
    • nav16.g @Brooklyn superlike man.. but how to make bschools realize this ultimate social structure of our society.. that men are expected to earn not only for themselves but for entire family, whereas a gal is only expected to apply the icing on the cake..
      and as u said most of of the gals just want to be in the corporate world just for the sake of marriage and very few of them actually want to make it big in corporate sector.

      I mean giving a chance to women through reservations etc, is not gender diversity but forced equality and why should merit suffer because of this..

      if u talk of equality, then I must tell you that in corporate and academic world in a literate upper middle class India, today it is the men from the general category (no offences meant to anyone) suufer the most. No matter how much a woman has studied or is earning, she is still considered to be a fragile being and continue to seek many said and unsaid favour from everyone around them.

      I mean, yes, there is a need to uplift women in marginalised strata of society but these discrimination against men should be stopped.
      #47 • 18 Oct '12 Like 2
    • nav16.g @Brooklyn god bless you.. wait till eternity.. :P or join IIM-A yourself first
      #48 • 18 Oct '12 Like 1
    • nathshaonli I am not just surprised but rather aghast at the prejudiced and skewed opinions among MBA aspirants here. "Women MBAs are not serious about career", "just icing on the cake" "in corporate world just for the sake of marriage, comments like that make me wonder if real managers profess such views. That will be putting double pressure on a female employee to prove her credibility, even after she having proved it at all along! Sad.

      P.S: This perhaps explains my observation that most female corporate achievers I saw in my previous job had an aggressive persona, with a permanent scowl and "I dont take no shit" attitude. Guess, they were just going the extra mile to prove their credibility.
      #49 • 18 Oct '12 Like 2
    • sb29 @nathshaonli That is the whole point. Female employees have to prove much more than their male counterparts to be treated equally because this is the same attitude they encounter at workplace.
      #50 • 18 Oct '12 Like 1
    • priya06m56 @Brooklyn there is a reason why girls don't want to marry with the guy who earns less than her. guys are egoist by nature, even if initially they will accept more earning girl but after some times they feel bad. they angry over the girl without any reason. if at any place girl get more attention or respect then them they feel jealous. so girls for the sake of happy married life don't want to marry with less salary guy. it's boy nature not girl's nature.
      #51 • 19 Oct '12 Like 2
    • Brooklyn @priya06m56 :: yess mam :) bt mai aisa nhi hu :P :P

      PS sry if it hurt u didnt intend it that way, just want women to make full use oppurtunity they get. N i can be wrong in my view i accept it...

      Sorry again :)
      #52 • 19 Oct '12 Like 1
    • born2die4u Well, Dont charge them Registration fees , you will have "significant" increase in female candidates D
      #53 • 29 Oct '12 Like
    • anujisready4iim Mujhe to bas Paise wali patni chahiye
      #54 • 24 Dec '12 Like
    • amit8290 agar itna females pe daya aati hai toh fees mat lo unse garib ki beti ko padhao who cant affort it rather than rich stubborn girls
      #55 • 24 Jan Like
    • RAKHU2013 @moti unlike
      #56 • 24 Jan Like
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