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    IIM Indore to grant IGNOU degrees to IPM students, applies for deemed university status on the side
    by Astha A in IIM Indore, IPM, IGNOU, Deemed University on 05 January '12



    Photo: Dhairyasheel Gore


    Students of the five-year Integrated Management Programme (IPM) at the Indian Institute of Management (IIM), Indore would now get a distance learning Bachelor's degree from the Indira Gandhi National Open University (IGNOU) for the first three years of their course.


    Additionally, IIM Indore has applied for 'deemed university' status to the Human Resource Development (HRD) ministry, making it the first IIM to do so. Becoming a deemed university would make the institute eligible to hand out Bachelor's degrees to the IPM students under its own banner. Sources at IIM Indore told PaGaLGuY that the institute had applied for deemed university status in November, 2011 itself, had initiated a dialogue with HRD Minister Kapil Sibal and was awaiting a response.


    Launched in 2011, the IPM is the first foray of an IIM into undergraduation. The five-year course admits students directly after school and imparts them three years of undergraduate education followed by a two-year post graduate diploma in management. The course had gotten on to a rough start with concerns that students would be left without a formal bachelor's or master's degree at the end of it.


    On the side, IIM Indore has forged an affiliation with IGNOU to impart distance learning degrees to IPM students as a fallback option. A first-year IPM student who did not wish to be named confirmed to PaGaLGuY that the students had already filled out IGNOU forms provided by the IIM last week. The students have been communicated that the on-the-side degree from IGNOU would cost them Rs 1,600 per semester, adding up to a total of Rs 9,600 for the entire three years. They were asked to choose the course they would like to pursue and out of the wide variety, most in the debut IPM batch picked BCom (Hons), BCA and BBA. IGNOU officials have told the students that they will provide course material in the form of books or CDs. At the end of five years, IPM students would have a Bachelor's degree from IGNOU and a two-year post-graduate diploma from IIM Indore. The students are awaiting further details to come by the end of this week.


    Officials from the IGNOU learning centre at Indore delivered a presentation to the IPM students explaining how things would exactly work. "IGNOU has a centre in Indore where they generally hold weekend classes. If we want, we can attend the classes. Otherwise, we have been assured by our professors at IIM that they will help us deal with the additional workload. The IIM authorities have also said that they will make sure our IPM exams do not coincide with the IGNOU exams that are generally held twice a year in January and June, an IPM student told PaGalGuY.


    Aware that IIM Indore had applied for deemed university status, IPM students said that they were relieved that this step had been taken. It would be great if the institute gets university status. However, till the time it happens, the absence of a degree at the end of the course was the one dark cloud that was hanging over our heads. The affiliation with IGNOU has solved that problem now, the first-year IPM student said.


    IIM Indore had also been working on a collaboration with a foreign university or one with an Indian government university to grant degrees to IPM students. The institute has touched base with Delhi University and Mumbai University for this purpose and had received a positive response, but there had been no progress beyond that point, informed a source at IIM Indore.


    Despite repeated attempts, IIM Indore's director or the person in-charge of IPM were unavailable for comment.

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    Satyajit_Behera, nihit & 27 others like this
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    • Dhiresh1009 at the end of five yrs, will dis distance lrng degree+the diploma have ny real value..d iim brand is there, but wud there be ny placements for them??
      #1 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • Mithles I dont think so Dhiresh
      #2 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • soumik.ganguly An Institute launches a program without any semblance of a plan and progressive strategy in place - is a national SHAME. Truly bad news for such a program.
      #3 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • ontarget Can any one clarifies if the student had to opt for IGNOU distance course which they could do without being in IIM so what they are doing in IIM itself with such a heavy amount of fees? Second what the IIM indore has without having a firm plan for their IPM course.
      #4 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • seba_catrpillar :(
      #5 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • abhimukh19 This is patch work not a well defined course , sorry to say iIM I , this is just not done . Additional Pressure for first 3 years , then a students opts out its equivalent to distance BBA or BCA which may not have value in the market
      #6 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • waterman The students are given a choice to pick a course of their choice for their undergraduate degree agreed. What are they supposed to do in the IIM till they start their PGDM then? Strange but useful opportunity nevertheless.
      #7 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • karanpaljulka I believe its gonna shape into an excellent program..!! Atleast one of the IIM's has come up with the bold step of imparting holistic undergraduate education..Cheerz!
      #8 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • coolg219 Students would not be happy with this. After paying millions in fees they are getting IGNOU degrees which they could have get for 10,000. Will IIM acts as a study centre for IGNOU now? or Students have to bear additional workload for 3 years?
      #9 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • coolg219 How can IIM Indore grant IGNOU degrees?? I think only IGNOU can grant IGNOU degrees?
      #10 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • praveenfree4u Mr.soumik.ganguly 'IPM' is the dream of 'IIM-I' and education is only for knowledge not for degrees and its not a national shame at all
      #11 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • young_monk They will not enter the Job market with an Ignou degree, but IPM diploma from IIM Indore, it's just that to be eligible for IIM-I PGP, one needs a degree, to remove this technical hurdle, they have collaborated with IGNOU ( and asked for deemed university status) It's brand of IIM that will get them jobs and not the degree or diploma. FYI ISB, which is considered as one of the best bschool in India, offers a certification course in management( not even a diploma) and is not recognised by AICTE,...so will you not join it on the basis on these facts. It's high time, we better leave the love for degree, and look for quality education and job opportunities.
      #12 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • young_monk And why people are so worried about opting out. Extra pressure in first three years, gimme a break, people who pursue IGNOU courses are generally working professionals, If they can do it their work and all, why can't a "bright Kid" who has made into IPM course can do it, that to when you are taught similar courses by some really good professors in the field. Kudos to IIM-I for starting such a path-breaking initiative.
      #13 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • seba_catrpillar @ Praveenfree4u - it is not a national shame, but kind of weird. You crack a super competitive exam, get burnt out for 5 years and at the end you get an open university degree, when you have dreamt of an IIM degree.....not sure. I tried to realise the same, through my engineering days. How I would have felt if the insti would have awarded IGNOU degree :banghead:
      #14 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • young_monk @sebabrata No IIM give Degrees fyi & after 5 years one will get IPM diploma, from IIM-I, which will be same as their current PGP diploma.
      #15 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • nit59 Why IIM-I Keep on trying some weird things............. firstly they ignored the CAT 2011 and gave admission to even 80%ilers on the basis of their kindergarten grade and now they are awarding an IGNOU degree.... they should rather kept themselves focus on dealing with the impact of Europe Recession and its possible impact on Internship and final placement as they may be affected most because of their abnormal batch size... Anyways this program wont be that hit as they are expecting to.....because in school kids were crazy of only 2 things... one is CRICKET and second is IIT-JEE.......:).There wont be any third thing
      #16 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • coolg219 Tommorow they will ask PGP students to enroll for IGNOU MBA formal degrees.
      #17 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • Nilotpal1987 Hope I had a zoom option for the pic...;-)
      #18 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • manishg3011 @ Nilotpal1987- well said, i think that makes for a beautiful pic of iim indore,campus.
      #19 • 05 Jan '12 Like
    • savya888 @IIM indore are u kidding? wel i understand the brand value of IIM and the knwldge potential the kids stand to gain.. but seriously bachelors from IGNOU.. i mean they could hav thought of something else..
      #20 • 05 Jan '12 Like
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    • ankit9doshi A lot of the comments above are immature and people commenting do not really understand what is happening. ISB cannot give a degree either. Will you classify it as a national shame? This course was introduced after consultations with industry. The chairman of IIM Indore is from a reputed corporate house himself and the HRD ministry has backed the course too. While exact nature of placements cannot be speculated now, my guess is that a company will prefer people who have spent 5 years with an IIM vs. those who have spent 4 years with an assembly line engineering college + 2 years at any MBA institute. It is an innovation in education and needs to be given a chance. Mere technicalities do not make a course unworthy. Anyway time will tell.
      #21 • 06 Jan '12 Like
    • ajayarora116 intially it was looking like a great initiative by iim indore,,now its looking like future of all those students who admitted through IPM this year have concerns about their future.But on the other when they are providing you brand IIM,,i don't think so degree doesn't matter,, at the end....i wanna to say to all IPM students,,,don't worry DEGREE in end of the 5 year with the seal of IIM,,will make your way to become great entrepreneurs .. cheers 4 IPM!!!
      #22 • 06 Jan '12 Like
    • debojyotiburman dis ipm guys r a headache to some of guys... dey turned iim to school :P
      #23 • 06 Jan '12 Like
    • da_ipm_dude it should be these ipm guys not this ipm guys!!!!!!!:P
      #24 • 07 Jan '12 Like
    • da_ipm_dude and IIM I is a "B-SCHOOL"....
      #25 • 07 Jan '12 Like
    • smarep I dont understand why IIM's are so quick to implement some initiatives which they haven't thought of carefully and with absolutely no backup plans whatsoever !! Case in point, 1) CAT 2009 2) IPM !! I have read a lot of comments on branding etc, but jut because you have a brand doesn't mean you can do anything !! IIM Indore is not even in the top B-Schools in the country, why are they concentrating their efforts on this program ! This is a classic example of brand dilution which will eventually affect its existing "brand" of PGP
      #26 • 08 Jan '12 Like
    • nerd0422 @someshwar "IIM Indore is not even in the top B-Schools in the country" and "This is a classic example of brand dilution which will eventually affect its existing brand of PGP".....please explain cant stop laughing at you kid :D
      #27 • 08 Jan '12 Like
    • DEVILISHANGEL Here are the only concerns for any School in India 1) Knowledge 2) Employability KNOWLEDGE will be tackled because of the nature of the course structure. The IPM initiative is a very well thought of and a bold step. Employability will be tackled because employability primarily depends on a) Student Intake Quality b) Professorship Quality c) Course Content Quality Student Intake Quality: will be more than brilliant. You know it and I know it and everybody else in this platform knows it because its IIM Indore. Parents want to secure their Kids future. Kids want to go to an IIM. Problem solved. Everyone wants safety fast. (PS: I know career toppers who were talking about this since they are in 11th and continued to be top in 12th. Just an example. Professorship Quality: Some of the faculty can be the same as the full-Time faculty at IIM Indore itself. The rest can be brought over from nearby cities on a need basis, which already happens for the pgdm program. Course Content Quality: The course structure seems to be really nice. India needs these kinds of courses to have wholesome people who actually know more about the world around them and are not crabs of the hermit kingdom, to put it euphemistically. So the final evaluation criteria is Recruitment, which is dependent upon the fact that its an Old IIM with a Huge Alumni Base, Recruiters will like double II's in India even if they produce shit tomorrow and college has enough contacts one way or the other. Also, if you have ever been in a good enough B-School then you know how placecoms and even company side recruitment systems work. These guys would get employed handsomely. No two ways about it. Thus, if we take Employability as the principal evaluator of the IIM-Indore's 5 year integrated degree, then we have an absolute winner. As an Aside| @nerd0422: Someshwar has some valid (& factual points). The B-Schools and B-Schooling in India will be completely different ball game come 2012-15. Everything changes, Everything. The top 15-20 B-schools, including the top 10, aren't run as smoothly as people think they do. You need to be in one of them, have a lot of friends all across, visit their campuses enough and talk to alums to figure out things. PS: The real test can be if these guys are MANDATORILY made to take CAT and be evaluated after their bachelors with their other peers fighting for seats for the PGDM degree. Not for the sake of seats which they already own but to prove, once and for all, that the Profiling is better than Pure Percentiling.
      #28 • 08 Jan '12 Like
    • smarep @nerd0422 : So is IIM Indore in the list of top 5 B-Schools in India ???
      #29 • 10 Jan '12 Like
    • aybidsibun This course is going to be a hit.. technical glitches will be sorted out in near future..
      #30 • 21 Feb '12 Like
    • gansan @nerd0422 IIM is one of the top B-Schools in india .. it may not be in top 5 but it always ranks around 8 ... and more over the intake of students is more compared to other IIM's and hence average salary goes down,so does the the rank as placements play a major role in determining the rank of IIM's.
      #31 • 11 Oct '12 Like
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