
Big brother AICTE (All India Council for Technical Education) has been given just eight days by b-schools to modify the notification it issued on December 28, 2010 (pushing for sweeping changes in business education) or else face legal action. The Association of Indian Management Schools (AIMS) has decided to march up the steps of the Supreme Court on February 11, 2011 if the AICTE does not take back most of the statutes in the notification.
Among other changes, this notification seeks to regularise the fees charged by b-schools and bring all b-schools' admission processes under one umbrella operated by the respective state government.
Speaking to PaGaLGuY.com, Dr Prabir Pal, the President of AIMS said that his association has been forced to take legal help to solve the matter. "We have had talks with the AICTE and the Human Resource Development minister Kapil Sibal but there is not much progress on the front. If nothing works to our advantage till next Thursday, we will file a petition in Supreme Court on Friday, February 11. We have already sought the services of eminent lawyer K Venugopal."
Sources however told PaGaLGuY that during one such meeting, Sibal said that he would 'look into' the issue of the state machinery handling the admission process since many b-schools conduct their group discussions and personal interviews (GDPI) at many cities across the country. "But he did not say that he would alter or modify the point. He only said he would look into it which may mean nothing," said the source.
AIMS has also dashed letters to both Sibal and AICTE but nothing has come out of it.
The controversial notification was issued bang in the middle of the MBA admission season and with the GDPI sessions of various b-schools having already started, it is sending admission processes haywire everywhere. B-school directors do not know whether to go ahead with the admissions or not. Strangely, though many b-schools are ganging up to file the legal suit, not many want to speak about it officially, fearing repercussions if the end-result does not go their way.
Suresh Ghai, Director, KJ Somaiya Institute of Management Studies and Research, Mumbai one of the few who was willing to stick his neck out, said that he does not know what course of action to take for his institute's GDPI. "I have no idea what to do. Do I conduct the GDPI or does the state government body do it? There is just no clarity."
A spokesman from another b-school said that the AICTE's circular is as ambiguous as it is unfair.
"The circular does not state anything clearly. By saying that entrance exams such as CAT/MAT are allowed, is it saying that others are not allowed? If so, why use the word such as at all, just say it directly."
PaGaLGuY had earlier spoken to Xavier Labour Relations Institute, Jamshedpur Director Fr E Abraham about the fact that the notification excluded XAT from its list of permitted b-school entrance exams. Fr Abraham had quoted an older AICTE decision passed in 2007, which said that Admissions to MBA/PGDM (or equivalent) programmes, shall be through one of the five (5) All India Tests, namely CAT (conducted by IIMs), JMET (conducted by IITs), MAT (conducted by AIMA), ATMA (conducted by AIMS) and XAT (conducted by XLRI). All institutions admitting students on all India basis will have to opt for one these All India Entrance Tests.
Apparently, the case to include XAT is being reviewed by AICTE.
Dr Prabhat Kumar Sahoo, Director and Regional Officer of AICTE, Western Region justified the notification. "These changes have been initiated to clean up the system. There are b-schools charging just about anything they want as fees and also offering sub-standard education. It is high time these institutes fall in line and quality comes into the system. This is being done to benefit students. Anything upto Rs 2 lakhs is fair enough to charge as fees," said Dr Sahoo.
However, it is this line of thought that has got the b-schools all worked up. Explains another Director of a b-school, "To punish those schools which are spoiling the system, why does every other b-school have to be put through this. Why can't AICTE just tackle those b-schools which are slipping up on quality and let the rest of the schools do their own thing?"
The Director adds, "With paltry fees, one cannot attract good faculty and install qualitative systems and build up infrastructure in colleges. The AICTE wants to regulate fees taken by b-schools when it does not regulate the fees taken by Indian Institutes of Management (IIMs). The IIMs are allowed to charge whatever they want and secure all the possible international partnerships, while other b-schools have to follow all rules."
Coming to the immediate issue of GDPIs which have begun in many b-schools, Dr Sahoo said that the b-schools can approach their state government's Directorate of Technical Education (DTE) or the equivalent body directly and sort out the ambiguity. When asked what a b-school like KJ Somaiya should do, Dr Sahoo replied, "Somaiya can go ahead with its GDPI. We have no issue with it. Only that the b-school has to discuss its fees and other issues with Maharashtra's DTE. Once these are discussed, the GDPIs can go on as usual."
More than anything, b-schools are irked with the timing of the notification since it asks for all the changes to be effective from the year 2011. The least that AICTE could have done is asked for these changes to be effective from next year so that the intervening months months could have been spent in discussion and analysing the notification. In the present context, if one were to take the notification at face value, this year's XAT exam is not valid and the ongoing GDPIs of various other AICTE-affliliated schools stand null and void.
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jhakdavelu Can AICTE ensure the following? 1. All institutes should put up the lowest percentile of shortlisted candidates of all categories as also that of the final converts of previous year(s). 2. The last date for application for a particular institute should be 10 days after the declaration of result of the entrance test used for short listing candidates for GD/PI. The list of documents required for applying should be put up on the institute's website so that candidates can keep them ready and should be able to apply within 10 days of declaration of result. Candidates can cherry pick and apply to those iinstitutes where they stand a chance of getting a GD/PI call. A lot of hard earned money as well as paper(used to print the brochures) can be saved by implementing the above. To the best of my knowledge, Speed Post delivers within 4 days(they claim 48 hrs) to/from any part of India.Add to it 2 days to obtain result(CAT result website being down etc), candidates are still left with 4 days to decide which institutes they wish to apply and act accordingly. Incase a candidate has already made DD for payment of application fees and feels that he may not get GD/PI call, he can get it cancelled for a minor fee. Jhakda#21 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
starvoyager @rjvunplugged GMAT costs 12 grand? You think all the ppl appearing for CAT/XAT etc. will be willing to shell out tht much? Also, most Indians smash GMAT because it's way too simple. Then the only way to differentiate between candidates will be profile (aka acads). Then IIMK can turn consultant to all the other B-schools on how to use acads (Oops, I meant profile) to shortlist students!#22 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
rkpushkar in my opinion in India there should be only one board for 10th there should be only one board for 12th and there should be only one exam for medical one exam for MBA and one exam for engineering and fee should be appropriate so that they can hire good faculty member provide decent payment to the prof. and able to give good facility . In India there should be no reservation for any category . a student who is not able to pay school or college fee government have to give scholarship to that student and also give scholarship to intelligent student who deserve this . then the education is going in upward direction . we indian pay 25000 puls to a simple police man for security from criminal but pay only 4000(In bihar nitish kumar only pay 4000 to newly appointed teacher) to 15000 to a general teacher that's why today people lose life to be a police man but no body want to be a teacher . president of America always said they are tensed due to indian student but we people donot have good teacher to educate youth of my country . India is very young country because in my country no. of youth is very high in comparison to other country but i don't have proper faculty member so that we can provide him good education that's why after sometime they became certified criminal and after that we provide 25000 to a policeman so that they catch that man and put him in jail because he is not good for my society . if you go through news paper a lot of crime is done by 20-25 year old man . so in my opinion my education system need throughout revision but I don't expect anything from my politician#23 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
menace_ankit @rkpushkar - I respect your opinion. These politicians they don't give a damn for local people. Well to be very frank these days nobody cares for others. Everybody is busy with their own families their own spouses their own matters. This very word own had made everybody so selfish. If we start thinking about others around, we can certainly make a lot of difference. Look at the headlines these days. Egyptians were fed up their president and the youth organised a rally to throw him out. Something similar needs to be done in India as well or else the country will go down in drains.#24 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
vinamrabtext buddy these politicians are not human beings and i dont agree a fight between a man and an animal(powerful animal where lion, deer and rat are all frnz)....world is materialistic where aftr u get ur material u take others as well.... so in my sense first lets unite the politics and then think of uniting boards and studies...coz the later can be achieved in a short term but a politician desires his wants until he die...and in some cases posthumously....hahaha... m not sorry for generalising...#25 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
eklvya Havent these irrational bureacrats learnt anything from the 'License Raj'that had plagued the nation after independence? Too much regulation will kill this sector. Dr Sahoo's contention that "Anything upto Rs 2 lakhs is fair enough to charge as fees" is ridiculous. Management consultants charge in the range of lakhs for a day or two. If a Bschool brings some 5-6 consultants for a day or two, then all the moneys gone. Given this scenario, the schools will be discouraged to bring top class faculties either as part-time or full-time. How will AICTE ensure quality then?? If AICTE had taken some cue from good BSchools around the globe, it would had realized that good schools flourish with least autonomy.#26 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
vinamrabtext @eklvya: thats y i always wanted to be a management consultant....hehe...#27 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
akashgjoshi ahh AICTE- what can one say about it. its only because of this body that many useless engg. and mba colleges have sprung up in this country. almost all of these colleges are AICTE recognized but zero in terms of quality.#28 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
gamegeek98 One thing never done is why is the AICTE approval given in the first place. Recently when the decision was taken to blacklist certain universities, nobody went into why the approval was given in the first place. Because of these governmenr directives the only people to suffer are the students who take admission. Some minister today decided to give aicte/ugc approval to X institute and the next minister who comes says that X is bad and approval is being cancellled. The only people who suffer are the students. Politicians should be made strictly accountable for the decisions taken by them.#29 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
achin1 dont want to give CAT in its present avatar with autocracy ruling party#30 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
bhumi_sheth can anyone help me to gv easy guidlines fo cat preperatioss?#31 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
aksheyshukla itsssss totally fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk#32 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
bhumi_sheth @menace_ankit : i do agree with u bt who will organiz dis? no 1 wants to take step against dis. as dis bloody system kills u if u attempt for such things..... so india will b d same ....never improving politician#33 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
pankaj496 i think its okkkk#34 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
the_bourne Calvin's dad: Life is not fair, Calvin. Calvin: I know, but why can't it ever be unfair in my favor?#35 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
roshangjha @the bounce: I AGREE......#36 • 05 Feb '11 Like -
shwetank8 A Big AGREE from my side.. Kapil Sibal is innovative. Hats of to him for such efforts. On one side we talk about changing the education system in India and if he is doing the same thing by finding the root of the problem, it is appreciated, whether it be the grade system in 10th/12th or taking the management colleges to task. All this will take some time to be popular and acceptable amongst us, but surely the benefits will be long lasting. Cheers...!#37 • 06 Feb '11 Like -
prateekkats guys is it like we have to give MH-CET along with CAT to get admission into pgdm of maharashtra colleges like KJ SOMAIYA,WELINGKAR? or giving CAT2010 alone is sufficient?#38 • 06 Feb '11 Like -
southpaw22 Bodies like the AICTE & UGC have outlived their usefulness. Why accredit in the first place? It is so easy to purchase an AICTE tag nowadays, just look at the state of technical education in MP (RGPV), AP (JNTU) etc.. if a 2-room college with no faculty and no labs can dole out BE and PGDM, the problem does not lie in the entrance exams.#39 • 06 Feb '11 Like -
khanjan This is something like an attitude " I don't trust anyone and I'l do everything on my own" Really, they have authority but in wrong hands.. They can moderate the procedure easily by means of mandatory discloser, by making it more stringent for every colleges. Its will suffice the purpose. Why interfere in the first place? First they give licence to run a course and then don't trust the colleges. Then why you gave licence to run the course? Make standerds high to get a permit from AICTE. Nowadays AICTE has become a joke from the permit point of view. They give everyone the permit to run a college. Moderate the permit and everything else will follow.#40 • 06 Feb '11 Like - Page 3 of 3
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imbondjamesbond I really dont understand these ****ing AICTE people...why the hell they could not do the same before all B- school were selling there forms. Whats the point in holding or cancelling the marriage after The BARAT has reached the brides place!!!!!Guys we all are Indians....hahahahahahah#41 • 07 Feb '11 Like -
anonymous [...] the well-intentioned interests of the 100 better schools. By charging Rs 2 lakh for fees (a figure quoted byAICTE Western Region head Dr Prabhat Kumar Sahoo), there is no way the better b-schools will be able [...]#42 • 09 Feb '11 Like -
anonymous [...] Source:http://www.pagalguy.com/2011/02/b-schools-may-approach-supreme-court-against-aicte-notification/ [...]#43 • 10 Feb '11 Like -
ashwaniraturi good one#44 • 12 Feb '11 Like -
pankaj120390 Are there any updates about what have the AIMS done... have they approached The Supreme Court as they were suppose to do a couple of days back or AICTE has agreed to any modifications suggested by the AIMS...#45 • 13 Feb '11 Like -
neel_abhijeet whats qualification for this post (advocate)#46 • 17 Feb '11 Like
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