Insane_hope Says

puys...how can I see this PDF...??...I know this looks stupid but I have never done this before...plzz help?? I posted the query in the other thread but couldnt get a response...need to know where I screwed up...thanx..

Click on the file and it will download or else go to this link

http://fms.edu/sites/default/files/results/final/INTERVIEW%20RESULT.pdf

Puys,

Just believe whatever you got is God's wish and for your good.

People Selected:Stop worrying abt will u make it in IIM ABC and enjoy the first taste of success of one of the best b schools in India.
People Waitlisted:Stop banging your head against the wall, for missing the convert by 1 or 2 marks and hope you will convert or you will get IIM ABC.
People Rejected:Stop wondering why you got 1/10 when you answered all the questions in the PI and they nodded for all ur replies, everything happens for a reason. It can be a good reasons like you will get IIM ABC so no need to travel, pay the fee, look for accomodation, submit the orginals, don't have to fall in trap of DU girls, dont have to experience extreme climate, don't have to do P & C to join which college and still have the excitement of not knowing what we are gonna do in couple of months, this really makes me crazy.

Regards,
Lust4MBA-Waitlisted

Yeah That's the spirit man! :thumbsup:

But can you elaborate ? Trap of DU girls !

Regards,
sharan121

Am happy.. i dint get into this b-school which in the name of interview and extempore gives marks actually depending on the other calls u have. For one of my group mate they did not even give extempore topic but put 8 marks for him! What a fairness in the process!
Better it changes its weightage to Academics and IIM calls instead of interview and extempore.

Puys,

Just believe whatever you got is God's wish and for your good.

People Selected:Stop worrying abt will u make it in IIM ABC and enjoy the first taste of success of one of the best b schools in India.
People Waitlisted:Stop banging your head against the wall, for missing the convert by 1 or 2 marks and hope you will convert or you will get IIM ABC.
People Rejected:Stop wondering why you got 1/10 when you answered all the questions in the PI and they nodded for all ur replies, everything happens for a reason. It can be a good reasons like you will get IIM ABC so no need to travel, pay the fee, look for accomodation, submit the orginals, don't have to fall in trap of DU girls, dont have to experience extreme climate, don't have to do P & C to join which college and still have the excitement of not knowing what we are gonna do in couple of months, this really makes me crazy.

Regards,
Lust4MBA-Waitlisted

sid_manu Says

I have a feeling that Extempore has a direct influence on our PI. mostly People with good extempore marks have got PI marks. I got just 3 in extempore and 4 in PI, although I was able to answer all the questions pretty well.

yaar i had a very good extempore but still got 3/10 in both ext and PI

Hi Seniors, is there any separate thread for asking admission queries or can we ask it here itself?

sid_manu Says

I have a feeling that Extempore has a direct influence on our PI. mostly People with good extempore marks have got PI marks. I got just 3 in extempore and 4 in PI, although I was able to answer all the questions pretty well.

The fact that extempore could be anything - some random topic, or something general/related to your profile - makes the process a bit luck based. If you get something related to your profile in the extempore, I feel you have a good chance of making it. If you get something random, the odds tilt against you.

A lot of things come down to luck at the end of the day in every GD/PI. Even something like where you sit in the GD (corner guys tend to lose out a lot), how many people show up in the GD (in my Lucknow GD, 3 were absent. A GD with 7 people can hardly get chaotic), etc. But then, this isn't limited to GD/PI alone, is it? There is literally nothing in life that isn't decided by luck/coincidence/chance etc.

So whether you convert or not isn't really an assessment of your abilities. And you certainly shouldn't take it to heart. Agle saal fir number aayega. Tab shayad luck tumhare favor mein ho

varunatait Says

The Scorecard

puys...how can I see this PDF...??...I know this looks stupid but I have never done this before...plzz help?? I posted the query in the other thread but couldnt get a response...need to know where I screwed up...thanx..

I have a feeling that Extempore has a direct influence on our PI. mostly People with good extempore marks have got PI marks. I got just 3 in extempore and 4 in PI, although I was able to answer all the questions pretty well.

Luck ALWAYS has a role to play everywhere!!
This form of judging people is probably the worst way but sadly we know nothing better!
Don't lose hope, your dreams won't go unfulfilled! ATB!

Dreams will remain unfulfilled. As I wont be able to get into FMS now. From the last 2 and a half months, FMS was right on top of my head 24*7. I thought my PI had gone well, had answered 80% of the questions. But still I got just 1/10. Quite shocking it was for me.

Anyways, will try and excel in IIFT as much as I could have in FMS.

Would not like to blame the system..but i really dont understand the basis of marking..u judge a person in 5 mins flat and make him/her worth 16-20 lakhs after 2 years ...i somehow dnt agree with that....probably luck plays a role here..am not interpreting that those who got selected are all lucky chaps..everyone who got selected is worthy of being there..but i feel a college so prestigious in its form should have sufficient weightage been given to written exam ..work ex..profile consideration and so on..rather than giving an arbitary topic and judging ppl on that basis..However bygones are bygones...System has been working like this for years and it has given good results..So probably am just cribbling..!
Congrats to all call getters..

Luck ALWAYS has a role to play everywhere!!
This form of judging people is probably the worst way but sadly we know nothing better!
Don't lose hope, your dreams won't go unfulfilled! ATB!

Would not like to blame the system..but i really dont understand the basis of marking..u judge a person in 5 mins flat and make him/her worth 16-20 lakhs after 2 years ...i somehow dnt agree with that....probably luck plays a role here..am not interpreting that those who got selected are all lucky chaps..everyone who got selected is worthy of being there..but i feel a college so prestigious in its form should have sufficient weightage been given to written exam ..work ex..profile consideration and so on..rather than giving an arbitary topic and judging ppl on that basis..However bygones are bygones...System has been working like this for years and it has given good results..So probably am just cribbling..!
Congrats to all call getters..

I share your pain. But trust me, people judging you in 5 mins flat are the ones who are doing it for 20-30 years!! Panel never ends a interview before they have made up their mind about the candidate. Luck is always a big factor in life dude! I am sure one day you will get into a very good college, and trust me, u will still need the support of your luck in all your endeavors :-P

All the best for your future, ur luck is saving you for something better!

GD- 2
PI-8
Extempore-9

Written score- 467.

Overall- 59.9x

:thumbsup:

jusy 8 outa 30 .
feel like maybe i am not godd enuff for a mba .
people scoring 9 /10 :oops:

probably they took ur pagal guy id very seriously..u wud really need some motivation now...!!!

Would not like to blame the system..but i really dont understand the basis of marking..u judge a person in 5 mins flat and make him/her worth 16-20 lakhs after 2 years ...i somehow dnt agree with that....probably luck plays a role here..am not interpreting that those who got selected are all lucky chaps..everyone who got selected is worthy of being there..but i feel a college so prestigious in its form should have sufficient weightage been given to written exam ..work ex..profile consideration and so on..rather than giving an arbitary topic and judging ppl on that basis..However bygones are bygones...System has been working like this for years and it has given good results..So probably am just cribbling..!
Congrats to all call getters..

The Scorecard

GD : 7

PI : 1

Extempore : 2

Written : 424

Itna ganda tha kya PI ?

What a score...

GD : 1
Interview : 4
Extempore : 3

Written test : 440..

Dint know I was saw bad...

jusy 8 outa 30 .
feel like maybe i am not godd enuff for a mba .
people scoring 9 /10

Score card is out, check in the website

my scores
Gd : 8/10 :lookround::lookround::lookround:
Pi : 9/10
extempore: 9/10

total :>26/30:drinking::drinking::drinking:

My scores are
GD : 6

PI : 8

EXTEMPORE : 8 (Had a gr8 start and kept it logical for the first 45 seconds)

Out of 10

Total 22/30

Score--->449/800

Score cutoff-421

Overal--->61.288/100

Overall cutoff-58.85

how did u chk it?

My scores are
GD : 6

PI : 8

EXTEMPORE : 8 (Had a gr8 start and kept it logical for the first 45 seconds)

Out of 10

Total 22/30

Score--->449/800

Score cutoff-421

Overal--->61.288/100

Overall cutoff-58.85

The score card is out and here is my performance:

GD : 7 :thumbsup:

PI : 8

EXTEMPORE : 7 :thumbsup:

Out of 10
Total 22/30 :cheerio::cheerio:

Got 7-6-7 =20 in the gdpi thing. Seems they liked my approach.

is the score card out??

I just scored 7/30
PI -1
GD - 2
Ext - 4


Itna bura bhi nahi gya tha yaar pata nahi kya pasand nahi aaya.

Joining IIFT, but somewhere inside, a regret will always be there for not being able to convert FMS.

Anyways, will have to try and forget.

ATB to those who converted:cheerio:

scored just 8 outa 30, required 15-16

Posting my experience. Might help next year's candidates :)

Date: 17th March, 1.30 pm

Profile:
10th: 80s
12th: 80s
Grad: 61% (MBBS)

Workex: 10 months (Inzane Labs Pvt. Ltd. popularly known as pagalguy.com)

Pre interview: I had mailed all the people from my group(got their ids from an earlier mail which FMS had sent us) two days before the process. So, kinda knew around 6 others before the interview.

GD: Don't remember exactly but the topic was something related to Information Technology being useful only if there were the attitude and knowledge to use it.

Was a good group. People knew before the process that we were not to make a fish market of the GD and were subjected to horrifying stories as to how an earlier group was kicked out in 4 minutes and how a year back one group was booted 6 minutes into the process.

No one started the GD for around 5 seconds after it was announced. Once we started, there were plenty of examples in the GD and plenty of good points were thrown in. No one was cut and at no point in time did the GD become a fish market. Overall the group was happy with the process.

PI and Extempore:

I was the third person to be called for the interview. What I'd heard from the earlier two people was that, the panelists were asking about 'three things' be it organizations, CEOs, etc.

Let the panelists be P1, P2, P3. M-me

Good afternoons exchanged

P1,P2,P3: Oh, so you are a doc?
M: nods

P2: You are an MBBS?
M: nods again :)

P2: Introduce yourself.
M: blah blah. Did not cut me after my profile and workex so mentioned hobbies too.

P1: Why MBA?
M: blah

P2: Ok so your extempore topic is: The most memorable day of my life.
M: Told about the day my medical entrance results came out. Obviously hadn't prepared for the topic so, was not a very structured answer. Put in whatever I remembered. Could have definitely been better :)

P3: Tell me 3 organizations you would like to join after your MBA.
M: told

P3: Have you studied anything about Ayurveda?
M: told whatever I knew. Also mentioned placebo here.

P2: What are people at pagalguy saying about the interview?
M: told about the panel being chill, how fish markets are not encouraged and how a group was kicked out. The processes being done quickly and even a minor slip would mean a major fall

P3: Which specialization do you intend to take and why?
M: answered

P2: What other calls have you got?
M: told

P2: So, you are not going to be a good doctor.
M: told a few things as to how would I be a good doctor. Mentioned the Hippocrates Oath and it's relevance in my case.

P1: Do you know where Munnabhai studied in Munnabhai MBBS?
M: told the name of the college. Also mentioned that a portion of the movie was shot in our college.

P1: (with a smile) Yes that was Grant Medical College.
M: :)

P2: We are done. Thank you.
M

Lasted for around 8-10 minutes. Got good vibes from the panel and was happy coming out of the room.

Verdict: Converted

Score:
Written: 509
GD: 3/10 Don't know why and don't know how
EX: 6/10
PI: 7/10

Overall: 60.xxx/100 cut-off I guess was 58.xxx

Will add in case I remember something else from the interview.

Converted FMS
Here is my experience for my to be juniors....
PROFILE:
X-89.20%
XII-92.40%
B.E.-73% (Information Technology)
Work Experience- 7months

14th March 1:30 PM batch

GD:
TOPIC: Honesty has little room in today's Politics.
Number of people present :10
Time: 1min to think, 11min to discuss and 1min to summarize
Brief Snapshot of Discussion: Not a fish market at all. Infact at times i thought that group lacked a bit of energy. was very happy as last year i witnessed not a fish market but a whale shark market. Group discussed about scams and how earlier leaders were honest and not now, about people's perspective and all. I spoke three times. I came in at no.4 or no.5 spoke about how to achieve success quickly people are becoming morally degraded then about how attitude of people is like that they don't want to change the system or do anything constructive for it. gave example of 26/11 and low voting in subsequent election in mumbai and finally about how politicians don't have will power to reform system gave examples of women reservation bill and lokpal bill. spoke three times. in between allowed a girl to speak who was not able to get a chance to speak till then although by not stopping others but i stopped myself when at one point only we two were trying to speak. so maybe got some points for group dynamics.

Above average performance from my side.

At the time of summary 2-3 people in our group started giving new points. 2-3 of us tried to intervene but to no avail.


PI:
Panel members: G1, G2(never asked any question although listened very attentively throughout or it seemed to me like that), L1(most of questions and almost always smiling).
I enter the room and after wishing them sat down .
L1: so Anshul not able to pronounce my surname(told her correct pronunciation), you will be given an extempore topic. You have 10secs to gather your thoughts and 1min to speak. G1 will give you the topic.
me: ok ma'am
G1 mean while was busy with some work so he looks at the sheet, at me and at my name and then thinks for around 30secs and finally.
G1: so your topic is Sky is the limit.
me: its not at all related to me or to my SOP. started off brilliantly but somewhere around 30secs said the most surrealistic line of my life that sky is the limit can also refer to the distance between earth and sky. don't know from where it came to my mind but suddenly realized the mistake so again switched back to the aspirations and all the gyan. spoke for a min.
L1: how will you rate yourself as an orator
me: sorry didn't expect this as a question.
L1: orator?
me: ma'am average.
L1:why?
me: ma'am I have good voice but was not to be able to put forward my points in a good manner(distance between earth and sky still playing in my mind).
L1:no i think you spoke very well, were able to put forth your points in a good way.
me: this line made me realize that my start, my voice and the way i spoke did the trick for me. couldn't say anything just smiled.
L1:tell us three reasons why we should take you
me:gave some gyan.
L1:one or two questions more.
me: gave some more gyan.
now G1(who gave extempore topic came into picture).
G1: so you are B.E. in Information technology.
me:yes sir(sir please don't ask any technical questions nahi aate )
G1: your college has recently been changed into university.
me: yes sir( i am from DCE. It has been changed into DTU deemed university. Earlier it was under DU).
G1: Is it good now or what?
me:sir kyun mushkil mein daal rahe ho . said 2 advantages of being part of DU and then 2 disadvantages/reason of becoming a deemed university according to my college authorities.
maintaining a neutral viewpoint.
G1: one or two more questions on this.
me: some more gyan.
G1: but still is it good or bad?
me: sir kyun vaat laga rahe ho chhod bhi do iss question ko nhi pata. then told him that in my college i used to be an introvert and involved in friend circle only. didn't interact much( in fact 0% with juniors) so can't tell whether it has become good or bad. added that although i have removed that weakness of mine.(could have said something better in this answer).
G1: were you there last year(at FMS he meant)?
me:yes sir and even before he could ask were you in interview. said interview as well.
now L1 again comes back into picture.
L1:why were you not selected last year.
me: last year there were two processes one for FT one for MS. different reasons for both.
L1: tell separately.
me: said that for FT couldn't portray myself better and for MS had plain bad day.
L1: how was it today?
me: gave gyan on how GD was not a fish market(may be my group dynamics in GD added value to this point and made me come across someone who practices what he preaches). for extempore and PI will analyze once the process is over.
G1:what was your CAT percentile?
me: told and said had very low score in maths. knowing my percentile didn't ask about any other calls. they realized yahi ek lauti hogi and hai bhi.
L1: what if you don't get selected this year as well?
me: kyun ma'am kya gunah kar diya. said will continue working and with (though hard to come by at these moments) try next year.
L1: that's it anshul thank you.
me: thank you all of you and have a nice day.

My personal observation:
A fish market in GD reduces your point while a peaceful GD enhances it. so try and not to get into a fish market or one-on-one interaction.

what did it for me:
examples in GD, start of the extempore and that impression carried on in interview, my answer for three reasons why we should select you and is your college better now or before because they were honest answers.

Last year's extempore topic for me:
Conflict(based on SOP).
Amitabh Bachchan : i am tall and lean may be that's why. but i can't think of any reason for this year's topic.

no more MBA preparations and GD practice or why MBA practice.
on a high already and cherishing this moment
so its time for

Converted FMS!!!

Date : March 16, 3.00 PM

Acads:
X : 94.6
XII : 87.6
Undergrad Major (BE) - %age - 72% (in final year)

Work-Ex: NIL

GD: 4 in the panel (3 sirs and 1 ma'am)
Topic: MBA education is (not) a substitute for work experience. --> Not sure about the 'not' :D
Number of Ppl present: 10
Time: ~11 minutes
Brief Snapshot of Discussion: Not a fish market!!! I got a chance 3-4 times (not counting the 2-3 failed entries)
Other Salient Details: There was a piece of paper to write our points. We were told that it would not be evaluated. I only wrote 2 points on it and would have been in trouble had it been evaluated

PI: 3 in the panel (the ma'am left after the GD) ; I was 3rd in line
Panel Members Intro: Couldn't find the members on the website. Anyway, L was middle aged, C slightly older with a Bengali accent, R young
Questions: C asked most (or maybe all) of the questions.

- C : Started with a discussion about my surname and how they had never heard it before.

- C : OK, you would know we have a process for the extempore. I'll give you a topic and you have to speak for 1 minute (looking through the list of topics).

- C : So, there's one word in the topic which might offend you, any problem?

- C : Right then, 'Sometimes you are a statue, sometimes you're shit; but there is always hope' :drinking:

- Started speaking within 5 seconds... started with light at the end of the tunnel... then some gyan and ended with how Mark Zuckerberg was facing several lawsuits in the early days but would still not stop coding, even during the hearings...

- Was stopped by R.

- C : Would you say MZ is an innovator?

- C : You know of any more such people?

- Had some talk about Google, Apple (how it had surpassed Microsoft in revenues), Pranav Mistry and his sixth sense device...

- C : All the names you mentioned, they are not in India. Why do you think mostly these sorts of people are from USA?

- C : Coming to socio-economic-political scenario of India, what do you think are the most important aspects?

- C :

- I think I was asked a question or two by L and R too, but can't seem to recall :lookround:

- The whole PI+Extempore lasted ~7 minutes.


Extempore Topic: 'Sometimes you are a statue, sometimes you're shit; but there is always hope'

I got in!

Here's my experience:

DAte: 17th march (posting late as I took a day for dilli darshan)
Profile: X: 89.5% SSC
XII: 90.67 (maharashtra state merit rank 15) HSC
Grad : Mech engg, VJTI, 8.8 (cpi) (Rank 4)
ECAs: many
Hobbies: Professional Tanjore Artist, Can play the piano

GD: Religion should not take center stage in a secular state - as ppl seemed unwilling to start(!),I started it- came in 3 times, was a fishmarket in places - I took care to not contribute to the chaos..guess that helps- even summary was a fishmarket,(the panel would switch off and discuss amongst themselves in these cases) over in 11 min

was the second person to go in ..
4 panel members, one was a lady..
P1: So you play the piano
Me: yes sir
P2: Ok introduce yourself to the panel
Me:did..then P3 (who was being very intimidating all the while) cuts in: your extempore topic is 'Courage in the face of adversity is foolhardy' (...can't remember exact statement)
I talked about war like situations when there seems to be no way out but to go ahead with full courage but even in these cases we should..here I was cut in by P3..'plz speak for the topic'

(Arey baba, I was bringing out the contrast ..patience..but no worries, I gave the example of US waging war on Iraq for WMDs and how it was very foolhardy.. ended with prudence and strategy is always good etc etc..was not incoherent/was not abrupt/ didn't repeat my sentences)

PI began in full force:

P1: so you play the piano
Me (again) : yes sir
P1: Western style?
Me: yes sir
Lady (P4) : which is the key that corresponds to 'sa'?
Me (I should jump in a well if I did not answer this basic qs): 'C' (gave some more gyaan to explain) (p4 seems impressed)
P1 (must be a music aficionado): which pianists?
Me: (Scores - wanted to say Rachmaninoff..but stuck to all time fave-): Beethoven/ Mozart
P1 gives some gyaan about Beethoven..I add some more - very nice chat was going on and then-
P3(): Grills me thoroughly on what I had said in my extempore - then comes to :
So, which country is the highest producer of oil in the world?
Me : Saudi Arabia (its correct)
P3: in south America?
Me() (WAs going to say Brazil - which is the correct ans.. but somehow spouted): I don't know sir
P4: you follow indian economics?
mE: Yes
P4: who is our fm? And b4 him who was it? what ministry is he holding now?
Me: Pranab Mukherjee/P C/ home (seemed like warm up qs)
P3: Why was it reshuffled?
me: Post 26/11 ...blah
P4: how much is our inflation? is it CPI/Wpi?/how frequently are they calculated?
Me: Answered correctly
P3: Why Mba?
Me:(I start on my well rehearsed ans but am cut short by p3)
P3: do you know what is a differential eqn?
P2: She's an engineer she ought to know
Me: answered
P2: Any other calls? CAt %ile?
Me: told
Now they start on my painting ..and end on that note
P2: OK you can go

during my interview a person came for p2 and they were happily speaking.. p1's cell phone also rang.. highly distracting but I did not let it affect me)

All in all was ok I thought.. but turns out it was good enough for me to get a convert:cheerio:

This is for the future aspirants of FMS.......I have important stuff to share here....
FMS stumped me in two ways: never had I seen an abstract topic in GD of FMS and here it was asked.
Never was a stress interview done and it was done in my case. So I suggest be prepared for everything, or u loose out alot....those coaching instis teach u some good stuff even if they seem redundant. Abstract GD and stress interview was something I had neglected, but thanks to little exp at IMS that I was able to handle it there.


PROFILE:

Acads:
X:75-CBSE
XII:78-CBSE
Undergrad Major - GPA/%age-BE65.7

Work-Ex:Entrepreneurial Venture
NIL/Sector - Number of Years :2

GD:
Topic:Love and beauty has no connection with each other.
Number of Ppl present:8(1 absent.)
Time:16th march 1.30

Brief Snapshot of Discussion:
Somone started just for the sake of starting. Its how u carry ur discussion through that matters. I was the only guy who was against the topic that beauty and love are connected to each other and gave good examples like arrtists and taj mahal....so I guess I marked myself in the GD...though I sopke at no. 4 but continued the discussion well after that. ince it was an abstract GD, so no fish market.
Other Salient Details: As whether summary was asked to be written or not,
Time given, and other stuff."1+9+1(since only 8 present.)

PI:
Panel Members Intro:probably narang sir was there. Ma'am(two of them) I dunno,one more prof...(mr bull)

Extempore Topic:Men in Black
I spoke about how people who wear black and are mysterious,philosophical and stuff and how French love to wear black, how they outstand in a group and stuff,since I am a black dress fan and its my ususal attire even in summers it was a nice topic for me.

Questions:
Narang sir was not present during PI,only GD he was there.
As soon as I finished...
the Male prof(bull):I thought u will speak on Men in black but u didnt touch that ....
Me:I said nothing....
bull:So who wears black(asking questions in quick successions)
me:Excuse me sir.
Bull:repeated the question
Me:sir AFAIK christians wear during funeral(lady profs impressed)
bull:who else
Me:dunno
Bull:what are the connotations of black
ME:sir the color,it observes light, mystery,horror,rest i dunno
bull:u spoke hard and as if it was practised,so did u practise exptemporary alot
ME:no sir I used to debate alot during college. SO it does help me.
bull:what is the connection between engineering and debate. u an engineer right(haan haan mathe pe likha hai,jaise AB ke haath par tha,mera baap chor hai)
ME:yes sir I am an engineer. Sir I wanted to be an entrepreneur so I used to debate.
Bull:cuts in (doesnt let me finish my answer)whats the connection between engineering,entrepreneurship and debate.
ME:sir entrepreneurs are those who create goals through their effectual reasoning using their core skills
BuLL:cuts in(doesnt lemme finish my ans)what do u mean by core skills
ME:sir like I am an IT engineer and my interest is in web apps. So web technologies are my core skills, and using these these I can create many apps...
BULL:again cuts in, name entreprenurs
ME:steve jobs,bill gates,warren buffett
BULL:are they entreprneurs or managers.?
ME:entrepreneurs
BULL:are they entreprneurs or managers.?(Again)
ME:entrepreneurs
So it was now getting heated up....so lady profs chip in....

lady prof 1:so have u completed engineering in 6 years??
ME:No ma'am, I had dropped two years.
lady prof 1:so was it very frustrating wen u dropped for the first year and didnt clear it...
ME:yes ma'am indeed. But I had a vision for myself,I was close to clearing IIT,so I went ahead...I had to prove myself to convert myself from a failure as I had low marks in 10th to a success, (so the negative in the profile converted into positive)
lady prof 1:okay okay so did u take coaching for IIT
ME: no ma'am only during current year,rest only test series
lady prof 1:So u have cleared cfa level 1
ME:yea ma'am(so she is impressed now)
lady prof 1:so what is carbon credit
lady prof 1:poora wikipedia suna diya
lady prof 1:any idea any indian company which has sold its carbon credits
ME:no idea ma'am AFAIK India is not binded by Kyto Protocol
lady prof 1:any idea in what units these carbon credits are measured
ME:ma'am I just remember these credits are traded on an exchange. Unit I had read but forgetting( so I am conceptually clear)
lady prof 1:whats the difference between nifty and sensex
ME: 30 stocks,50 stocks,base year,index value,how it is calculated,poori raam kahani suna di.They were impressed
lady prof 1:ok U can go.

Verdict:hope to convert the waitlist, interview was gr8 I am sure I wud have got good marks, i am just afraid I had low marks in written exam which has huge weightage and which has put me in the waitlist....lets hope..

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X : 91.2
XII : 88.6
Grad : 7.49
Work-ex : Infosys (21 months)
GD-PI slot : 3.30 PM, 15th March
Written score : Not so good

GD : Related to Privatisation
Had an awesome GD, spoke 3-4 times.

I was the only person in the whole panel who was not shaved.

I entered the PI room. There were 3 profs, 1 gentleman and 2 ladies (G1,L1,L2)

G1: Oh, Mr. XYZ. Come come ... (strange expression on L1's and L2's face)

G1: Your extempore topic will be "Stubble is sexy these days"

Me : (WTF) Sir, ummm, hmmm .....

L1 : I guess, you know what stubble is. Right? (Everyone started laughing then)

Me : Ma'm I know but just want to confirm.

L1 suddenly left the room and I nearly got an attack.

G1 : Dont worry, she's gonna comeback. (Told the definition of stubble)

I spoke for a minute. Explained the concept. Related history, now and future with why people keep stubble. Gave some examples of personalities who hv stubbles.

G1 to L2 : Ma'm you want to ask something?

L2 : No

G1 : Ok, so tell me are you overconfident?

Me : No sir.

G1 : Your appearance, is it a formal attire? You are the most daring person I hv seen who has not shaved for the interview. Why so?

Me : (Kya bolu bhai, time nahi mila, kal NITIE ka interview tha, parson travel kar rha tha) Sir actually we are not supposed to shave in this particular week of the year. Some religious reason. Its a kind of tradition (Phew)

G1 : Ok ok. What is the effect of mobile radiations on human body?

Me : (WTF, I am not a bio/telecom engineer) Sir .... ummm .... actually there might be some ill effects due to radio/micro waves but there is no concrete proof as yet (uttered more ... blah blah)

G1 : Are you with Gaddafi or not?

Me : Sir, totally against him. Ruled over Libya. He is a dictator. Lots of issues in Libya. Unemployment, inflation etc etc.

G1 : Other calls?

Me : BLACKI, IIFT and few others.

G1 : So you are a person with lots of options.

Me : But no results have come out yet, so can't say.

G1 : Ok that will be all. Best of luck.

When I left room I was nervous about the stubble thing and worried.

VERDICT : Waitlist 4. Hoping to convert

Puys, this is my first post in PG. Hope the future aspirants can take away something from my personal experience.

I have converted FMS and IIFT so far and have attended a fair share of GDs and interviews this season and before. So, I think, I am ready and qualified to part some sane advice.


1) Starting is advantageous so don't start. When you start you do have the advantage of speaking first the scarce relevant points on a topic before any one else does, but everyone knows that too and often there is a huge quarrel between participants on who to start first and consequently sheds all of them in bad light. My FMS GD had 5-6 guys fighting to start - very vocal, very assertive. All of them got rejected.

2) It's all increasing negative returns after a point. Volume counts rat shiytes. 2-3 entries is sufficient. Content is king and monopolizing the limelight projects you as insecure/arrogant.

3) When you sense a kill don't go for it. People think that the best point of entry/re-entry into a discussion is when the speaker slows down. If the said person is running out of steam(ideas), then it's fine. But when he/she has only barely started speaking and struggling to articulate his points clearly, curb your enthusiasm and your urge to go for the kill and just listen. Listening and accommodation of alien views are important skills for a manager and the selectors are looking for them in a potential student.

4) The decibel level of your voice is inversely proportional to the likelihood of your selection.

5) Don't be a statistics Nazi. It's cool to spew numbers like Corruption index of 2.38 and CRR of 10.237% etc, but in my opinion it doesn't make you any bit better in the eyes of the moderator. It doesn't matter whether India's GDP is $1.5 tn or $1.45tn. Statistics lie and no one knows that better than B-school professors. And don't throw statistics for the sake of it.

6) Be who you are. If you are an introvert, be calm. No need to panic and get into the mad rush to enter a GD just for the sake of entering it. If you do so, then probably you will end up churning out garbage instead of perspectives. You can always contribute at least one point in between and summarize at the end. Usually everyone who wants to summarize is allowed to do so and preference is given to guys who haven't spoken much. Remember that most of the successful CEOs and business executives are notoriously media shy and that this is not a recruitment drive for Radio Mirchi.

7) It's more important to stay not out than to hit a century. Institutes are increasingly realizing the futility of GDs as a selection tool. But it is an excellent elimination tool and B-schools use it to scan more for negatives than for positives. Making minimal mistakes is the key. If you are confident, worthy and talented you can always use the personal interview to impress the jury. So chillax and focus more on your not-to-do list than on your to-do list.

Use analogies.

9) Your face should not be the index of your mind. Even if the Chatur Ramalingam of your panel pisses you off big time, don't ever let your emotions ebb out of your face. Your facial expressions should be limited to an amount what Shah Rukh Khan is capable of - just 2 or 3.

10) Lastly make sure you are warm. Most GDs take place in air conditioned rooms and may lead to inconveniences like shaky hands and broken voice. Better ask the moderators beforehand to turn up the temperature ( an excuse of sickness goes well with the request too )


My FMS GD was a fish market. 10 people. Nearly 8 of them were engaging in a shouting match, eager to impress the moderators by hogging the airtime. Only 3 (inc me) got selected. I dint even speak once during the entire length (I couldn't have spoken without looking rude, such was the melee) and just summarized at the end. And another convert just spoke once for 15 seconds. Also the rest had stress interviews compared to the converts' which were a breeze.

I was committing some of these errors as well but gradually mellowed with time. Hope the gyaan helps. All the best puys for your future GDs and PIs and congrats to my fellow FMS converts

A convert :cheerio:,here's my experience i owe this much to PG:

Xth: 84.6 %
XIIth: 91.0 %
B.E: 67.4 % (DCE-Electrical-Fresher)

GD: MBA is better after work experience

GD was decent...no fish market, everyone chipped in...
I got in early and structured it out saying lets discuss if it's true or not.
If yes then why and if not then also why...etc
Also came in with example of the US b-schools which always ask for experience and some other points.About 3-4 decent entries.

Panel: 2 Male prof, 2 Female prof

F1: ok so your from The Mother's International School so extempore: ' The Mother as we know her ' (apparently the panel knew about some ideologies of the 'mother')
Me:(...whoa...as if i ever paid heed to what she believed in) Nonetheless spoke okaish.
F1: Looks like you dont know all her ideologies...i'm sure you cant name 3 main ones. (probably testing my mettle now that i look back)
Me: no ma'am its not like that...blah blah... (had no idea about 3 main values) gave her 8-10 different values that i had some idea about
F1: (not too satisfied) ok M1 sir you ask.

M1: are you ok with Economics.
Me: yes sir.
M1: how do you decide the foreign exchange rate.
Me: inflation...trade deficit...foreign reserves...blah blah
M1: Dollar Rate?
Me: given
M1: who is affected if the rupee is devalued.
Me: IT companies...fundae...named a few when asked...
M1: what if dollar is devalued against rupee
Me: More fundae...
(Handled all this satisfactorily)
F1: did you give other exams?
Me: calls told.
M2: Cat Percentile?
Me: told.

That was it lasted less than 10 mins...most ppl in the group had around 7-8 mins at max. Least was 4 mins :lookround:
Wasn't too happy with the way the interview started of and i wasn't expecting my written score to be amazingly high but well a straight convert : looks like i charmed them.
Scores: GD: 5 ( Most groups got low marks so no that bad)
extmp: 9 (was structured and i maintained my composure)
PI: 8 (keep your calm and a constant smile through out the process although answering economics questions well would be an advantage )

## from the 10 ppl in my GD group 6-straight convert 4-waitlist
So Never underestimate the value of a calm GD.

Was feeling quite low after the interview. Didn't feel like posting my experience. But now, I am very happy I've converted it!! Here goes my experience:
PROFILE:
Acads:
X : 93.27%
XII : 98.42%
Undergrad Major - B.E. ECE
GPA: 9.84/10 upto 7th semester

Work-Ex: NIL

GD:
Topic: Foreign Multinational Companies have pampered the Indian consumer
Number of Ppl present: 9
Time: 1+9+1
Brief Snapshot of Discussion: Didn't become a fish market, thankfully. Everyone spoke and gave a chance for others to speak.

PI:
Panel Members Intro: 2 Ladies (L1, L2) & 2 Gentlemen (G1, G2). G2 didn't take any active part in the interview.
Questions:
L1 described the extempore rules (10 secs to think, 1 min to speak) and asked L2 to give me a topic.
L2: A dream place I'd like to be in.
Me: spoke about Hogwarts did decently well, I guess.
L2 (who had been going through my SoP while I was ranting) : how do you define a well-rounded personality?
Me: described an all-rounder
L2: so how do you define personality?
Me: told
L1: did you mug this up from any book? (laughing)
Me: No Ma'am! Told on my own
L1: you know already then why MBA! (laughs again) Ok what attributes will you look for in a person to evaluate his personality?
Me: How he carries himself, communication skills, interpersonal skills.
L1: Do you know about impression management?
Me: No mam
L1: you can guess from the name
Me: took a guess..
L1: other calls and how do you rank your preferences?
Me: IIMB = FMS > IIMI > IITB > IIMS
They didn't cross-question on this.
L1: Okay you may leave.
G1: wait! I can't leave a person like you (due to acads ) without testing your knowledge.
Me: okay sir :lookround:
G1: Grilled me left, right and center on finance..
Questions on Financial market, stock market, futures contracts, where they are traded, where currency is traded..
Me: told whatever I knew.. after a point I admitted my knowledge was limited with respect to finance.
G1: okay then I'll question you in your area..Asked about WiMAx, 4G, 3G, fiber cables & relation between a wave's speed & wavelength..
Me: told whatever I knew.. for the last relation I gave a wrong answer but admitted my mistake when he pointed out

Was not very hopeful due to the negative end to the PI but it has turned out to be a success :)

Hope this helps future students, like all the previous years' posts helped me

Convert !!

Here is the GD/PI experience:-
Date: 14th March
Time: 3:30 PM

Profile :

B.Tech. - IT-BHU - 7.4/10
Work-ex - 3 months in S&M; with a ceramic MNC then 16 months at one of the Enterprise Software and DBMS giants as a BI consultant.

GD:
9 present 1 absent.
Four panelists, A lady prof. introduced us to the GD process and asked us to keep the discussion relevant and drive it in a forward direction.
1 Min. to think, 10 to speak, conclusion part was optional.
A guy asked if everyone had to conclude. He was told it was a matter of choice for the group.

Topic: Euthanasia is a human right.

Such a debatable topic. Though people were assertive in their approach, I felt the group did well in keeping the discussion relatively calm and structured (though there were 3-4 guys who hardly spoke).
A guy started well by defining Euthanasia, I added to his start by defining Human Rights (not a great definition though, was a nervy start).
Then the whole discussion was centered on Euthanasia - Active, passive, aruna, legal - illegal etc.
I added to the discussion by giving points which were opinions on how Euthanasia is or is not a human right. The points were cordially taken and discussed by the group.
Two guys tried to summarize but they ended up concluding the discussion.

Overall, a good GD by structure and an average one by content. (No surprises that 4 out of the 9 present in the GD have made it to FMS).

PI:-
I was the second last person to be interviewed and the process was already behind schedule, it was a long wait for me outside the interview room. Even the lady who was trying to co-ordinate the process was stressed and was speaking endlessly about random things. Not an ideal environment to be in before any interview.
Finally the bell rang and the lady asked me to get ready.
I backed myself to rise to the occasion, took a deep breath and entered the room.

Panelists : G1, L1, L2, G2. G-gentleman; L-Lady
G1 (extreme left never spoke a word but was listening intently).
L1 (spoke a little, didn't ask any questions, and took a break in between).
L2 (she was my savior, was very cordial throughout the process, asked a few questions).
G2 (extreme right, was consistently looking for an opportunity to push me out of my comfort zone, asked a few questions).

I entered the room and wished the panelists one by one (somehow I missed G2).
L2: Please take the seat.
Me: Thank you ma'am (interrupted by G2).
G2: You wished everyone else but me.
Me: (with an embarrassed smile) Sorry sir..uh..oh
L2: You got caught on the wrong foot!! (Laughter all around, even I made use of this opportunity to share a broad smile).
L2: (after mentioning the extempore process) So G2 will give you a topic.
G2: (deliberately in a low voice) "All that glitters is not gold".
Me: (Repeating the topic after him, thought for some 3-4 sec and started) - Defined the topic in my terms, gave two examples, concluded within time - lasted for around 45-55 seconds.

I felt that it was an impressive show by me, as L2 who was sitting right in front of me, nodded her head in appreciation.


L2: So Ashwani, your journey started from Bhiwani to Varanasi to Bangalore and now you are here. How is the journey so far?
Me: (Thanked God for providing me with such a simple start, spoke for about 2 minutes, in between mentioned all the strong points in my CV)
L2 seemed convinced, G2 took over the baton:
G2: B.Tech in Ceramics, working with XXYY! You should have contributed to your industry.
Me: Gyan (viewpoints exchanged for 2-3 minutes, work-ex, exposure, all came into the picture).
G2: Did you have any non-technical subject in your engineering?
Me: Industrial Sociology Sir.
G2: Ok, Define Social Engineering.
Me: Sir in my perception Social Engineering is " ------(a peripheral definition at best)-------".
G2 - (surprised)
L2: Is this your perception or you know the definition?
Me: (smiling) ma'am this is my perception of social engineering, I never studied it as a subject.
L2: (smiling) then you should have simply said that you don't know the definition.
G2: Do you know any concepts of Marketing?
Me: Sir, 4 Ps...(Interrupted).
G2: 4 Ps !! Nowadays there are 7 Ps ( in a sarcastic tone) ( panel smiling, having a gala time).
G2: OK, do you know Bhojpuri?
Me: ( ye sab kya h, kyun h, na-insaafi h) : Sir, as I have spent 4 years at BHU, I can give it a try.
G2: Speak "Give me a glass of water" in Bhojpuri.
Me: ( kamaal ka aadmi h yaar) oh..ah..sir
In the meantime, L1 who left the room after my extempore , reenters the room.
L2: Give it a try ( with a lovely smile).
Me: Sir I will try to speak a line ... " ie bhaiiya hmka ik rupiyaa dei do"
Smiles all around (I was so relieved)
G2: (As if he was complaining to the rest of the panel): This is not Bhojpuri!
Me: (Looked at L2)
L2: Actually sir they must have spent most of their time within BHU and inside the University only this much is spoken. May be they hardly went to the market.
Me: (Thank U Thank U Thank U): Ma'am I did visit the market but my exposure to the language was only this much.
G2 seemed satisfied for the first time in the interview.
L2 (after looking at L1 and G1): OK Ashwani, nice talking to you. You journey so far has been good.
Me: (All smiles) Thank You ma'am, (G2 sir, aap kahan ho) Thank you sir. (The other two had started doing some paper work by this time, so had to leave without thanking them).



In hindsight, I feel that a good performance in the extempore did it for me.

Guys..

Created a new thread for further discussions regarding WL movements and other queries.

http://www.pagalguy.com/forum/other-exams-xat-fms-jmet/64027-fms-mba-ft-2011-13-a.html

Lets keep this thread only for experiences!!